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    Reply to: serv-977690775@craigslist.org [?]
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    ONE DAY CLASS!! $85.00 Internet Special. All books and range fee is included
    in the price. Class is from 10 am to 7 pm at Gander Mountain in Taylor call early to reserve you spot, classes fill fast. Please contact Bill or Kathy at 734-771-6749
    for details. Come ready to learn and enjoy yourself call today










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    wardog6d wrote:
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    ONE DAY CLASS!! $85.00 Internet Special. All books and range fee is included
    in the price. Class is from 10 am to 7 pm at Gander Mountain in Taylor call early to reserve you spot, classes fill fast. Please contact Bill or Kathy at 734-771-6749
    for details. Come ready to learn and enjoy yourself call today








    Do you need Basic gun handling ?What range ,same day ?

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    Call em... I just posted it direct from Craigslist....

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    Remember you get what you pay for in one day class ? Puppy farm. YOUR Life MAY depend on it !

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    Ok talked to Kathleen today. This is the complete class needed for your CPL. This includes range time. She also stated it may go past 7pm so from 10am-7pm? or more. If your interested in the class, you will need to make contact with her atleast 2 weeks prior to the class to order materials. She also asked that a deposit be made. Hope this helps. If anyone is interested in going PM me.

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    Took the Class today. Nothing to it! Was a perfect fit for me. 10am - 6pm Included range time. If your knowledgable with your firearm I suggest this class. Kathy stated the rate is going to be back to $115 for future classes. As stated in the post you get what you pay for. I paid for what I needed and am totally satisfied... Very cool people, very infomative class.

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    wardog6d wrote:
    Took the Class today. Nothing to it! Was a perfect fit for me. 10am - 6pm Included range time. If your knowledgable with your firearm I suggest this class. Kathy stated the rate is going to be back to $115 for future classes. As stated in the post you get what you pay for. I paid for what I needed and am totally satisfied... Very cool people, very infomative class.
    Have you ever had a CCW permit or CPL before today ? THE reason I askNumber of hours Does NOT meet the LAW ! If you have Never had a CPL or DD-214 from armed service or letter from Gun club RSO stateing you have handled safely a hand gun or worked as armed guard [ Brinks ,Wells Cargo ] . I would Not Go Bragging on this topic If you read the CPL tri-fold application it is a Felony to falsely sign .

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    10:00 AM - 6:00 PM = 8 Hours

    5 Hours (instruction) + 3 Hours (range time) = 8 Hours

    Link: 28.425j

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    Tri-fold says....At least 5 hours of instruction, and 3 hours of range time which requires firing at least 30 rounds of ammunition. Looks to me like that is enough.springerdave.

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    XD ya got me....arghfff!

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    Have you ever had a CCW permit or CPL before today ? THE reason I askNumber of hours Does NOT meet the LAW ! If you have Never had a CPL or DD-214 from armed service or letter from Gun club RSO stateing you have handled safely a hand gun or worked as armed guard [ Brinks ,Wells Cargo] . I would Not Go Bragging on this topic If you read the CPL tri-fold application it is a Felony to falsely sign . PLEASE check NRA Site For Minimum Hours ! Assuming Instructor was NRA certified .Oh No lunch is NO NO 50 minute Class Max .Per hour .Mathematically speaking does not add up .

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    SpringerXDacp take over for me here. Sometimes I get so sh!t I could mad a ring around myself!springerdave.

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    d) The instructor of the course is certified by this state or a national organization to teach the 8-hour pistol safety training course described in this section.
    (2) A person shall not do either of the following:

    (a) Grant a certificate of completion described under subsection (1)(c) to an individual knowing the individual did not satisfactorily complete the course.

    (b) Present a certificate of completion described under subsection (1)(c) to a concealed weapon licensing board knowing that the individual did not satisfactorily complete the course.

    (3) A person who violates subsection (2) is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 4 years or a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or both.

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    Anyone wish to explain a Legal CPL class ? Please be my guest .

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    I can't find this stuff online. Could someone please post a copy of each.

    From what I was told the tri-fold say something like...NRA certified and in order to be NRA certified you must follow the course description given by the NRA and NOT the tri-fold.

    Technically the NRA says like 100 rounds. Because the LAW says that you must follow the NRA guidelines it makes whatever the NRA says, LAW as far as what is required in order to be certified.

    Many, MANY CPL instructors ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE NRA GUIDELINES.

    Therefore If you took a class from one of these CPL instructors that are following the tri-fold and NOT following the guidelines set forth by the NRA andYOU sign the dotted line, YOU have committed a felony.

    Now as most here know the LAW is what matters, NOT just some BS that someone in authority told you.

    Keep in mind that it would be GREAT to know the truth on this and for that we need someone to post the documents.

    I hopethis make sense

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    This one of Questions asked of Sgt Tom Deasey MSP .And NEVER replyed !

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    Anyone wish to explain a Legal CPL class ? Please be my guest .
    Jan, did you review the link I provided (Sec 5j)? It all seems very clear to me.

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    SpringerXDacp wrote:
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    Anyone wish to explain a Legal CPL class ? Please be my guest .
    Jan, did you review the link I provided (Sec 5j)? It all seems very clear to me.
    (a) The program is certified by this state or a national or state firearms training organization and provides 5 hours of instruction in, but is not limited to providing instruction in, all of the following:

    In order to be certified by this national training organization (NRA) the Instructor MUST follow the guideline set forth by the NRA.

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    taxwhat wrote:
    d) The instructor of the course is certified by this state or a national organization to teach the 8-hour pistol safety training course described in this section.
    (2) A person shall not do either of the following:

    (a) Grant a certificate of completion described under subsection (1)(c) to an individual knowing the individual did not satisfactorily complete the course.

    (b) Present a certificate of completion described under subsection (1)(c) to a concealed weapon licensing board knowing that the individual did not satisfactorily complete the course.

    (3) A person who violates subsection (2) is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 4 years or a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or both.
    Spent less than 3hours on the range =you lose..........shot at target other than 81/2 x 11 or 9 inch round paper plate [ both blank ] =you lose .....and the list goes on .

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    dougwg wrote:
    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    taxwhat wrote:
    Anyone wish to explain a Legal CPL class ? Please be my guest .
    Jan, did you review the link I provided (Sec 5j)? It all seems very clear to me.
    (a) The program is certified by this state or a national or state firearms training organization and provides 5 hours of instruction in, but is not limited to providing instruction in, all of the following:

    In order to be certified by this national training organization (NRA) the Instructor MUST follow the guideline set forth by the NRA.
    This is a REAL problem ! Please Explain a legal CPL class , not READ a law with out understanding the consequence !

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    LUNCH? Thats the best you can come up with? Anyway.... The CLASS was 8 hours. I have a DD-214. I suppose my certificate is still worhtless.

    The class was exactly as described? 8 hours. Included Range time? Honestly Icant understand why anyone would want to sit through 2 days of class. To question the class, time requirementor State requirement, I would think the law enforcement officer giving the class would meet the state requirements. If anything else, to not risk losing his NRA instruction license but also not to come under fire from his own police department in which he works and also in which he conducted the class within the city where he worked...

    Not to mention the fact he offered to meet us indivdually at the range for additional training if we needed it and also gave us his personal cell number for any questions we may have in the future. FREE of charge.

    I really can't see paying $150 for 2 days of some guy blowing whistles and yelling into a bull horn. If thats the type of training you need, good luck with that.Being prior military I really only needed the law portion.

    Not wanting to get to much into the Open carry discussion, I will say it did not go over well. However was discussed. The basic outcome was this..

    Printing was the terminolgy used. It is considered printing. If a weapon is visible by a CPL holder. Not open carry.

    The only reason Open carry has been allowed in Michigan is that most of the open carrydoneis donebecause there are strength in numbers.

    There is really no way to open carry a firearm without it being considered brandishing or carry concealed. If part of the firearm is concealed the court considers it concealed. If you do not have a CPL you will be charged with CCW.

    If the firearm is totally in viewable, whateverway it is achieved more then likely you will be charged with disturbing the peace or brandishing. If you do not have a CPL.

    If you feel you are going to open carry, get a attorney on retainer. More then likely your going to need it sooner or later.

    You may take this how you will. I feel this is plausable, sound advice. For those of us that cannot afford to keep a attorney on retainer. Knowing the law is one thing. Paying to keep a attorney on retainer is another.

    For those of you that promote open carry and hold CPL's.As I understand it,that when you "Open Carry" law enforcement does not consider it that at all. As it is considered printing. So for allyou that say "I open carry here", "I open carry there". I suggest if your really wishing to exercise your rights, give up your CPL and then open carry, and let us all know what happens. How much you pay in attorney fee's, court costs and/orhow much you win in your lawsuit.How much time you spend in jail. Set the precidence, we'll all see the outcome on TV I am sure... I might also add totry it down here, anywhere other then hick ville rural stickwater area's when you do give up your CPL.

    Waiting to be hacked n attacked for this one...LOL

    As for the lunch when you contact Kathy. She will advise you to pack a lunch and arrive a half hour early. She will also advise you not to bring your weapon into training roomand that you will only need it at the range. Pay close attention to the class and take notes. If you havent purchased a firearm and you do so before the next class, take it to the range before the class.




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    wardog6d wrote:
    DD-214 from armed service Nuff said...
    And it reads "SMALL Arms training ? "

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    haha it reads alot off things. Should I send you a copy...LOL.. Maybe 2 tours in IRAQ as convoy Escort doesntqualify as small arms capable to you or the State. Not sure now a days. I am also not sure if M9,M4, 249,240, a grenade, 40mm, M2, TOW,MK ?hmmm are they considered small arms or... Maybe someone in the know, will know...Maybe my MOS or NK will suffice...I dont know this is Michigan. Maybe I should ask Granholm or even Obama... Hmm wonder if you voted for any of the two...

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    Taxwhat is a NRA certified instructor. I believe what he is saying is that most instructors teach what is required by the state and they don't always follow the NRA requirements. If they do that thenthey are NOTcertified to teach the course and your classwork is null and void. Really simple. BUT if your instructor teaches the NRA course AND what is required by the state you would meet the requirements of both and your certificate should be valid.

    There is something else, you have to be taught the basic firearms class first. If an instructor follows the NRA class and the state requirements you will have meet this basic class requirements as well as the other requirements.

    Taxwhat feels that 8 hours is not enough time to properly teach both the NRA and state requirements. He is just putting that out there for people to think about. It's technical but if you are involved in a shooting the prosecutor may delve into this technicality and charge you with a felony for signing a document that didn't meet requirements. He might also claim that your were not properly trained and that won't look good in front of a jury.

    An Amazon best seller "MY PARENTS OPEN CARRY" http://www.myparentsopencarry.com/

    *The information contained above is not meant to be legal advice, but is solely intended as a starting point for further research. These are my opinions, if you have further questions it is advisable to seek out an attorney that is well versed in firearm law.

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    Ding Ding Ding..... WE HAVE A WINNER!

    Venator gets it.

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    Venator wrote:
    Taxwhat is a NRA certified instructor. I believe what he is saying is that most instructors teach what is required by the state and they don't always follow the NRA requirements. If they do that thenthey are NOTcertified to teach the course and your classwork is null and void. Really simple. BUT if your instructor teaches the NRA course AND what is required by the state you would meet the requirements of both and your certificate should be valid.

    There is something else, you have to be taught the basic firearms class first. If an instructor follows the NRA class and the state requirements you will have meet this basic class requirements as well as the other requirements.

    Taxwhat feels that 8 hours is not enough time to properly teach both the NRA and state requirements. He is just putting that out there for people to think about. It's technical but if you are involved in a shooting the prosecutor may delve into this technicality and charge you with a felony for signing a document that didn't meet requirements. He might also claim that your were not properly trained and that won't look good in front of a jury.
    Thank YOU for Your service to the USA . That is the reason that I may { and have ]challenged State and County Government . Now if my Brain has not failed me All firearms listed are IMO :Long Guns ! My point is That With out BASIC Hand GUN your ,,,,NRA Personal In The Home Course {for Michigan CPL ]It NOT WORTH the paper its printed on .ASK Jim Simmons or NRA or Tom Deasy MSP but get it in writing [ Handcuffs Fit all ]

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