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    In God We Trust

    You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom=20

    door. Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled
    whispers. At least two people have broken into your house and are moving
    your way. With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and
    pick up your shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch
    toward the door and open it. In the darkness, you make out two shadows.
    One holds something that looks like a crowbar. When the
    intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire.
    The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while
    the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside. As you pick
    up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.
    In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and
    the few that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to =
    make
    them useless. Yours was never registered. Police arrive and inform you
    that the second burglar has died. They arrest you for First Degree
    Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm. When you talk to your
    attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the
    case down to manslaughter.
    "What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.
    "Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing.
    "Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."
    The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local
    newspaper. Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the
    two men you shot are represented as choirboys. Their friends and
    relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them. Buried deep down
    in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been
    arrested numerous times. But the next day's headline says it all:
    "Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die." The thieves have been
    transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters. As
    the days wear on, the story takes wings. The national media picks it up,
    then the international media. The surviving burglar has become a folk
    hero.
    Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll
    probably win. The media publishes reports that your home has been
    burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of
    local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects.
    After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be
    prepared next time. The District Attorney uses this to allege that you
    were lying in wait for the burglars.
    A few months later, you go to trial. The charges haven't been
    reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted.=20
    When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works =
    against you.
    Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man. It doesn't
    take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.
    The judge sentences you to life in prison.
    This case really happened.
    On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England ,
    killed one burglar and wounded a second. In April, 2000, he was
    convicted and is now serving a life term.
    How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once
    great British Empire ?
    It started with the Pistols Act of 1903. This seemingly
    reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and
    established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a
    license. The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only
    handguns but all firearms except shotguns.
    Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any
    weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all
    shotguns.
    Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after
    the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987. Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed
    Man with a Kalashnikov rifle (AK-47), walked down the streets shooting
    everyone he saw. When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.
    The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of=20
    "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions. (The seizure of all=20
    privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a
    rifle.) Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas =
    Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public
    school.
    For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as
    mentally unstable, or worse, criminals. Now the press=20
    had a real kook
    with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners. Day after day, week after
    week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total
    ban on all handguns. The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed
    the fate of the few sidearm still owned by private citizens.
    During the years in which the British government incrementally
    took away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to
    armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism. Authorities refused
    to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that
    self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens
    who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real
    criminals were released.
    Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was
    quoted as saying, "We cannot have people take the law into their own
    hands."
    All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times, and
    several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs=20
    who had no fear of the consequences. Martin himself, a collector of
    antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by=20
    burglars.
    When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns
    were given three months to turn them over to local authorities. Being
    good British subjects, most people obeyed the law. The few who didn't
    were visited by police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if
    they didn't comply. Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly
    200,000 handguns from private citizens.
    How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had been registered and licensed. Kinda like cars. Sound familiar?
    WAKE UP AMERICA , THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE

    SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.
    "..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an
    irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
    --Samuel Adams

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    During WWII the British did not have weapons with which to arm local civil defense personnel. A plea went out to Citizens of the United States to DONATE personally owned firearms that were in good working order for distribution to British citizens so they could defend "Fortress Briton" against the inevitable invasion by German forces.

    After the war, these firearms were collected by the British Government and unceremoniously dumped into the North Sea.

    I think the next time they can buy their own firearms.

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    "If you are not getting Flak, you are not over the target"
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    Hawkflyer wrote:
    SNIP I think the next time they can buy their own firearms.
    And part of the price should be adeclaration from Parliament and Crown that the right of the British people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Suitably worded to prevent the incremental usurpations we've experienced from our own government. Extended to all Commonwealth countries, if their law permits it. Meaning we don't sell unless that happens.

    Another angle would be the British people refusing to fight unless their government firstcompletely restores all of their rights.

    Given the way the government in this country has treated us, I wouldn't lift a finger to support the bozo's in power without that having first occurred. No sense supporting the very people who are trying to tyrannize me, the people who have stolen my constitution and the Foundingprinciples. Nope.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    The British people allowed themselves to be subjugated. I have no sympathy for the majority, but only for the small minority who tried to fight or were too young to fight.

    If the request went out again for weapons for the British people I would not participate, I would not help in any way and I would oppose $1 of tax dollars being spent on the matter. In the meantime I will continue the good fight here to maintain our constitutionally protected rights.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    Both you guys are right. But I have to say I REALLY like Citizens idea. Don't sell them the guns until they restore the rights of their citizens. This has a certain attractiveness as the best tool to free a lot of people.
    "Research has shown that a 230 grain lead pellet placed just behind the ear at 850 FPS results in a permanent cure for violent criminal behavior."
    "If you are not getting Flak, you are not over the target"
    "186,000 Miles per second! ... Not just a good idea ... It's the law!"

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    The people are to blame. I admit to my ignorance on British law, but a jury convicted the man in the article. A jury of British citizens. The people gave up their guns. They did it willingly according to every news source I've seen. F*** 'em. And f*** us if we do the same.

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    Well, I would agree America needs to wake up.

    What I do not understand is why someone post this story on this forum. It's safe to believe members here are aware we need to protect the 2A. Preachin to the choir....
    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

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    Squid13 wrote:
    F*** 'em. And f*** us if we do the same.
    Amen

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    VAopencarry wrote:
    Well, I would agree America needs to wake up.

    What I do not understand is why someone post this story on this forum. It's safe to believe members here are aware we need to protect the 2A. Preachin to the choir....
    Two reasons. Most of laws are based in English common law, especially the origins of TSA. So it would be reasonable to view England as a Laboratory pointing to where we are headed.

    Second, this forum is attracting international attention, and this kind of story is increasingly relevant.

    Regards
    "Research has shown that a 230 grain lead pellet placed just behind the ear at 850 FPS results in a permanent cure for violent criminal behavior."
    "If you are not getting Flak, you are not over the target"
    "186,000 Miles per second! ... Not just a good idea ... It's the law!"

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