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    http://columbian.com/article/2009010...01059986/1093/

    County sees spike in concealed weapon permit requests
    Sunday, January 4 | 11:14 p.m.

    BY JOHN BRANTON
    COLUMBIAN STAFF WRITER






    Shawn Boyes, left, and Clark Pederson apply for concealed pistol licenses in the lobby of the Clark County Jail. Boyes said he wants the license so he can protect his family. (Photos by STEVEN LANE/The Columbian)



    Clark Pederson, left, is fingerprinted by sheriff’s cadet Emilio Villagrana as he applies for a concealed pistol license in the lobby of the Clark County Jail.


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    Clark Pederson applied for a concealed pistol license six days after his parents gave him a Springfield XD .45-caliber semiautomatic for Christmas.

    The permit will allow him to wear the loaded gun in a shoulder holster or otherwise hidden from view.

    “I want it just in case something did happen, just being prepared,” said Pederson, 21, a Vancouver resident and junior majoring in communications at Washington State University in Pullman.

    “Even if I don’t carry (the pistol) around, I want to be knowing that I can if I need to,” he said.

    Shawn Boyes, 30, a bank supervisor who lives in Orchards, applied for the license because he wants to protect his wife and 1-year-old son.

    “If I went somewhere by myself, I wouldn’t take the gun,” he said. “It’s more for when I go out with my family, just protection for them.”

    Boyes, a former U.S. Marine, said he’s concerned about crime.

    “There’s some messed-up stuff going on,” he said.

    The two men aren’t alone.

    The number of applications is growing, and there are several reasons why.

    “They think Obama is going to restrict gun use,” said Cami Keene, a support specialist working behind the counter in the upstairs lobby of the Clark County Jail.

    She’s assisted by cadets, who are college students interested in a law-enforcement career, and who ink the applicants’ fingertips onto official cards.

    The prints later will be scanned into computer databases.

    The application fee is $55.25 for a new permit.

    Numbers climbing

    In the last six months of 2007, there were 1,889 applications in Clark County, and 2,061 for the same period through Dec. 24 of 2008, an increase of 172 applications or 9 percent.

    The numbers include new, renewal and replacement applications.

    And the pace has quickened in recent months, since news of the recession and the Obama victory dominated the news.

    In December, about 330 people applied at the jail, an official said.

    The trend is mirrored in Oregon, where pistol permit applications are up, according to the Associated Press.

    In addition, gun sales here and in the Portland area are on the increase, retailers have said.

    There’s a distinction, however. You don’t need a permit to own a pistol, just to carry it concealed.

    Law has restrictions

    Not every applicant gets a permit. A criminal history or mental health problems can disqualify a person.

    Drawing upon the tragedies of the past, the application form is especially inquisitive about domestic-violence assault convictions.

    Under federal law, anyone convicted of domestic violence assault — regardless of the date or place, or whether the crime was a felony or misdemeanor — is prohibited from possessing any firearm.

    By Washington law, other prohibitive domestic violence crimes besides assault, if committed on or after July 1, 1993, include coercion, stalking, second-degree reckless endangerment, first-degree criminal trespass and violating a judge’s protection or no-contact order.

    Washington law also bars anyone who was convicted of any felony crime here or elsewhere.

    Keene, one of two specialists who perform background checks, said in late December she’d turned down 13 applicants in 2008.

    Specialists have access to local, state and nationwide databases.

    It can take 30 days for a Washington resident to receive a new concealed pistol license.

    Besides looking for criminal history, specialists also must check arrest-warrant databases and those of the state departments of Licensing and Social and Health Services.

    They also perform such checks when someone buys a handgun at a retail store, which normally involves a five-day waiting period.

    John Branton: 360-735-4513 or john.branton@columbian.com



    Jail lobby destinantion for prospective gun carriers

    Many people come to the upstairs lobby of the Clark County Jail to visit a family member who’s behind bars, or to deposit cash into an inmate’s account.

    Or maybe they just got released from the jail, and are waiting for someone to give them a ride home.

    They might be a lawyer who came to speak with a prisoner, or a wanted person who came to turn himself or herself in.

    Folks on all sorts of missions show up here.

    While they wait, visitors might tire of the TV and sitting in the rows of blue-plastic chairs and stand up to browse.

    On one wall, they’ll find before and after photos of male and female methamphetamine users — placed there to horrify.

    The tweakers’ faces are hopeless and sad, with red sores after three and 17 months of using the illegal stimulant.

    That gives way to barely-fleshed skulls after 10 years of meth use, cheeks collapsed under the eye sockets because their teeth are gone.

    Across the room, visitors might peer into a fine glass showcase filled with police history, old leg shackles, black-box cameras, brass knuckles and saps, which are small lead-filled leather bags once used by police to crack skulls, and since outlawed.

    There’s a massive booking ledger turned to 1940, with black-and-white front and side mug shots: a laborer who was arrested in Washougal for burglary on Aug. 21 of that year and got 15 years; a salesman who got four months for a sex crime, indecent liberties.

    Dark stuff, of course, but some might see something potentially darker in the line of healthier, law-abiding modern-day men and women at one side of the counter.

    Ordinary people, not cops or bail bondsmen, they have filled out applications and plunked down $55.25. Now they’re waiting to be fingerprinted, in hopes of getting a license to wear a loaded pistol concealed under their clothing.

    — John Branton

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    Whatcom county sheriff's office has been super busy with concealed applications also.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    glock23 wrote:
    Dark stuff, of course, but some might see something potentially darker in the line of healthier, law-abiding modern-day men and women at one side of the counter.

    Ordinary people, not cops or bail bondsmen, they have filled out applications and plunked down $55.25. Now they’re waiting to be fingerprinted, in hopes of getting a license to wear a loaded pistol concealed under their clothing.

    — John Branton
    <Emphasis mine> After what appears to be a pretty decent article, what the h%^& is this comment supposed to mean? Is there a problem with people exercising their Second Amendment and Washington State Constitutional rights?

    <MY comments on the newspapers website>
    "What exactly is the last comment in the sidebar supposed to mean?

    "Dark stuff, of course, but some might see something potentially darker in the line of healthier, law-abiding modern-day men and women at one side of the counter."

    Is there something "dark" about people exercising their right to Self Defense that has been a part of English Common Law for hundreds of years and is guaranteed by the Second Amendment and by the Washington State Constitution? What they are doing is not only legal but healthy. People are taking responsibility for their own safety instead of relying on the police, who can take a long time to respond in an emergency. This country was founded on self reliance and the idea that there is a problem with that is what is scary, not the idea of people protecting themselves and their loved ones. Society benefits when law abiding people are willing to step forward and help others instead of waiting for some government agent to do it."

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    I thought that was an odd way to end it too, but I didn't think it was the op who wrote it, but you are right heresolong....this weird way people have of thinking that the gun turns people bad...like it has some evil voodoo attached to it...
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    They actually published a letterWednesdaythat I wrote in response to this... basically an FYI that a permit is only required for CC (or loaded-in vehicle), and that OC is perfectly legal. I was kinda surprised that they published it so quick, wonder if they did some fact-checking with local LE...

    Don't know that many people read the Columbian's Opinion section, but oh well...

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    I thought that was an odd way to end it too, but I didn't think it was the op who wrote it, but you are right heresolong....this weird way people have of thinking that the gun turns people bad...like it has some evil voodoo attached to it...
    Voodoo reduces barrel whip and increases velocity.

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    I read the letter and was pleased and proud that ithad beenpublished.

    We have to help keep the articles accurate and complete to combat the one-sided reporting.

    Good job dt!

    (It was kind of coincidental that I found your comment, I partly signed on today to try and leave some positive feedback and came upon the thread. )

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    I read the letter and was pleased and proud that it had been published.
    Got a link? I couldn't find it just browing the Letter to the Editor section.

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    bluer1 wrote:
    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    I thought that was an odd way to end it too, but I didn't think it was the op who wrote it, but you are right heresolong....this weird way people have of thinking that the gun turns people bad...like it has some evil voodoo attached to it...
    Voodoo reduces barrel whip and increases velocity.
    rofl....
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    kparker wrote:
    I read the letter and was pleased and proud that it had been published.
    Got a link? I couldn't find it just browing the Letter to the Editor section.
    Couldn't figure out how to link the source file I actually read (hard copy on the diningroom table, ), but I was able to find the online link. It is near the bottom of the page, More details about state gun laws.

    http://columbian.com/article/2009010...976/-1/OPINION

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    I stopped in the Sheriffs office Friday and gave them my $55.25. I was treated very professionally by all that I encountered. In and out in less than 20 minutes.
    The person that fingerprinted me asked if I had been printed before. I replied' Eight or nine times that I recall." I told her the last time was for an airline job.
    Thanks for sending in that letter! It prompted me to check out this forum and OpenCarry.org.
    I'm in the Vancouver area as well.


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    Behind the man in the dark shirt stands the double door entry to the building. Do you see any security checkpoints between the door and the counter establishing this area as 'restricted access'? I don't.

    Behind the man in the light sweatshirt you can clearly see rows of seats in a waiting area. This whole area looks like a 'common area(s) of egress or ingress open to the general public' to me.

    I wonder if they would print a letter pointing out that one could LEGALLY open carry while applying for a CPL there.:P

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    my wife and iapplied for our cpl's at the sheriffs office today. everyone was very nice especiallythe ladies taking our information.they also have a digital fingerprint reader so no more of that hard to remove ink. one of them told me it was the only one in the state andi made a joke that the countydecided to spend their money on the print machine instead of refurbishing the elevators to which they laughed and then told me everyday when she leaves she hopes the door opens for her. haha. anyway the wait is 30 days but we were told they should be mailed out in about 2 weeks.

    i guess common but haven't been to court in a very long time but getting into the courthouse required metal detector passthrough and i had to check my leatherman at the door.

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    they also have a digital fingerprint reader so no more of that hard to remove ink. one of them told me it was the only one in the state...
    Not so, LESA (Tacoma/Pierce County) has had them for several years now (got them sometime between between 2001 and 2005.) Maybe she meant the only one of that particular model or something...

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    snowninja wrote:
    my wife and iapplied for our cpl's at the sheriffs office today. everyone was very nice especiallythe ladies taking our information.they also have a digital fingerprint reader so no more of that hard to remove ink. one of them told me it was the only one in the state andi made a joke that the countydecided to spend their money on the print machine instead of refurbishing the elevators to which they laughed and then told me everyday when she leaves she hopes the door opens for her. haha. anyway the wait is 30 days but we were told they should be mailed out in about 2 weeks.

    i guess common but haven't been to court in a very long time but getting into the courthouse required metal detector passthrough and i had to check my leatherman at the door.

    cheers,
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    Olympia also has a digital fingerprint device.

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    snowninja wrote:
    my wife and iapplied for our cpl's at the sheriffs office today. everyone was very nice especiallythe ladies taking our information.they also have a digital fingerprint reader so no more of that hard to remove ink. one of them told me it was the only one in the state andi made a joke that the countydecided to spend their money on the print machine instead of refurbishing the elevators to which they laughed and then told me everyday when she leaves she hopes the door opens for her. haha. anyway the wait is 30 days but we were told they should be mailed out in about 2 weeks.

    i guess common but haven't been to court in a very long time but getting into the courthouse required metal detector passthrough and i had to check my leatherman at the door.

    cheers,
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    Olympia also has a digital fingerprint device.
    So does, of all places, Stanwood.
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    ...and when I applied at Edmonds PD in 2004, I was the first non-criminal to use their new digital machine, as informed by the officer printing me. Yup, my renewal comes up this December.
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    The permit will allow him to wear the loaded gun in a shoulder holster or otherwise hidden from view.

    Is that the only way?
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    joeroket wrote:
    sv_libertarian wrote:
    snowninja wrote:
    my wife and iapplied for our cpl's at the sheriffs office today. everyone was very nice especiallythe ladies taking our information.they also have a digital fingerprint reader so no more of that hard to remove ink. one of them told me it was the only one in the state andi made a joke that the countydecided to spend their money on the print machine instead of refurbishing the elevators to which they laughed and then told me everyday when she leaves she hopes the door opens for her. haha. anyway the wait is 30 days but we were told they should be mailed out in about 2 weeks.

    i guess common but haven't been to court in a very long time but getting into the courthouse required metal detector passthrough and i had to check my leatherman at the door.

    cheers,
    snowninja
    Olympia also has a digital fingerprint device.
    So does, of all places, Stanwood.
    And Bellevue, much to the chagrin of the officer taking my prints. Kept telling him that my left hand was my right or something like that.
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    Pasco also has a digital machine and the people down there were very nice. That's in contrast with Kennewick, where I was treated poorly, like a common criminal, when I applied for a permit there a decade ago. They seemed to do everything in their power to prevent people from applying whereas Pasco was quick, easy and friendly.

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    joeroket wrote:
    sv_libertarian wrote:
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    they also have a digital fingerprint reader so no more of that hard to remove ink.
    Olympia also has a digital fingerprint device.
    So does, of all places, Stanwood.
    You guys suck :P. I had black ink on my fingers for like a week after I applied for mine in Kitsap.

    Also, I was at the Marksman the other day picking up a very nice Mosin () when I overheard a conversation between another customer and an employee. The employee was saying that they had applied for a CPL a month and a half before and that he still had not received it, don't remember where he said he applied. The employee mentioned that the offices were really backed up due to the increased volumes and that he should just wait it out.:shock:

    I turned and pointed out RCW 9.41.070 and that the issuing authority had a maximum of 30 days to issue the license and that he should contact the office and tell them they needed to immediately issue the license. They were both surprised to hear that there was a time limit placed on the sherrif's for issuance of the license.

    And of course, I realised just now that 9.41.070 does allow for certain exceptions to the 30 day rule, such as being a resident for less than 90 days the issuing authority has up to 60 days. Oops
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