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Maryland State Police exposed for spying on numerous activists organizations

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PC 12025 only applies to concealable firearms, which is defined in PC 12001(a) as a pistol, revolver or firearm with a barrel less than 16 inches. There is nothing prohibiting someone from carrying an unloaded, concealed rifle or shotgun on their person or in their vehicle unless the barrel is less than 16 inches.
I see. So you don't know if a person is carrying an unloaded pistol, until you disarm them at gunpoint, according to "customary" officer safety practices? I think this may constitute harassment. Will you disarm granny the same way? How about a woman carrying a child?

This statement alone is why these documents should be made available public, as a matter of law.
 

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We are being watched. The article specifically addresses OCDO on a terrorist watchdog letterhead.. from last July. They seem to be worried about folks 'fishing' for lawsuits, and having claimed to have read threads on this site have apparently missed the thousands of posts in support of citizens utilizing their rights.

Has this article been posted before? I got a bit lazy on my 'search' :p.

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/carry/OC-LE-Bulletin-2008-07-24.pdf

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If it weren't so pathetic, it would almost be funny. From the PDF:

The Open Carry movement began in 2004 when the website, OpenCarry.org, was established by two gun-rights activists.
Contratulations to Mike and John, they have a much bigger role in history than any of us thought!

Based on a review of their website, it appears that the Open Carry movement is spreading to this region. The founders are based on the east coast and much of the activity has been in that area, but recent activity in the central valley and some of the forum postings indicate that law enforcement agencies in California may experience an increase in the number of Open Carry encounters in their jurisdictions.
This is worded just like you would describe the migration of gang activity! :banghead:

Very, very sad.

TFred
 

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TFred wrote:
This is worded just like you would describe the migration of gang activity! :banghead:

Very, very sad.

TFred
Yes, very sad. It looks like they may need to hire a Public Relations Editor to review all their confidential documentation, prior to interoffice distribution. :lol:
 

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I am surprised, that you guys are surprised at this. While OC is in my view the purest form of "bearing" arms, it has fallen way out of fashion over the last 50 years.

Did you guys actually think you were not activists?Did you think you were not going to attract attention? While I do not view the events of September 11, 2001 as related to this movement at all, I do recognize that this country is a different place since then, and pushing the envelope in the area of OC against that backdrop is going to attract more attention than it would otherwise.

I don't remember which of you asked, but in this environment even the "Granny with a gun" is viewed with a sceptical eye. Itis not right, but it is the way things are. You are changing that, and chage scares people.

I would be surprised if there were not more LEOs here watching then there are non LEO members posting. That is how these things sometime work. The fact that they are recognizing this forum, means that you are winning. At least you can be reasonably certain that those of us in LE that admit we are, are not on the "Surveillance" team.

With all of that said, are there really any among you who do not realize that you are ALL modern day patriots, no different than the patriots who put their body and property in front of British troops 235 years ago? My god people look at the challenge, look at the opponents, and then look in the nearest mirror. YOU, that guy in that mirror, are all that stands between who and what we are today, and who and what we will become if we lose our right to keep and bear arms.

Because of that you scare the bejesus out of the opposition, and rightly so.
 

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Statesman wrote:
TFred wrote:
This is worded just like you would describe the migration of gang activity! :banghead:

Very, very sad.

TFred
Yes, very sad. It looks like they may need to hire a Public Relations Editor to review all their confidential documentation, prior to interoffice distribution. :lol:

By the power of Google! I was able to defeat their encyption codes and obtain classified inter-dept. information.. muhahaha..!! actually I just typed in OCDO and terrorist and up came some interesting pages..

I am trying to figure out the point in time when the 'war' on crime failed and they started targeting LACs.. and by 'they' I mean the rabid antis, not all of the good LEOs and organizations who are out there making a difference..

Remember 'I Robot' ? They had to protect us from ourselves.. ? "I'm sorry, the Constitution allows for and encourages open revolt. This is harmful to citizens. Therefore the Constitution is now null and void, until further notice all activities will cease for your protection. Civilian Protection Officers will be by shortly to enforce compliance."

Its amazing that doing something as simple as carrying a gun can turn you into something so reviled. Was it only 150 yrs ago, a few generations.. that everyone carried 'tools'. But I should realize the goal is to eliminate all LIABILITY in all things we do. Because life should be safe and cozy. :p

J

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You do not become a "dissident" just because you decide one day to take up this most unusual career. You are thrown into it by your personal sense of responsibility, combined with a complex set of external circumstances. You are cast out of the existing structures and placed in a position of conflict with them. It begins as an attempt to do your work well, and ends with being branded an enemy of society.
-- Vaclav Havel, former dissident, then President of the Czech Republic 1993 - 2003
 

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Hawkflyer wrote:
With all of that said, are there really any among you who do not realize that you are ALL modern day patriots, no different than the patriots who put their body and property in front of British troops 235 years ago?
It is the duty of every patriot to protect his country from its government.Thomas Paine
US patriot & political philosopher (1737 - 1809)
 

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Statesman wrote:
Hawkflyer wrote:
With all of that said, are there really any among you who do not realize that you are ALL modern day patriots, no different than the patriots who put their body and property in front of British troops 235 years ago?
It is the duty of every patriot to protect his country from its government.Thomas Paine
US patriot & political philosopher (1737 - 1809)

You are both very correct. We are patriots who believe in this country and want nothing but the best for our republic and its citizens. I just have high hopes that any and all agents of government who feel it necessary to keep tabs on us figure out that by and large we are not a threat to society. We are a threat to those who wish this country ill. Wether its socialism from within or armed threat from without. We will be armed and ready.

J

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So, um, OCDO members present a terrorist threat so indicated by Sacramento thinking it prudent to inform all CA LEO what the state law is on OC and to strongly suggest that they follow said law? So which part brings in the terrorist part, us exercising our constitutionally protected rights or forcing LE to follow the state laws?
 

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deepdiver wrote:
So, um, OCDO members present a terrorist threat so indicated by Sacramento thinking it prudent to inform all CA LEO what the state law is on OC and to strongly suggest that they follow said law? So which part brings in the terrorist part, us exercising our constitutionally protected rights or forcing LE to follow the state laws?

The document does read like a training bulletin. Except the part where it warns LEOs that members of OCDO are fishing for lawsuits. So apparently we come across as a threat to their authority.

This is from the Sacramento Office of Terrorist Threat Assessment. So what worries me is even though they are reminding their officers to follow the law, just the fact that 'we' have been 'assessed' by a terrorist threat organization should raise some flags..

J

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Anyone who resists "reasonable" government regulation will always be considered a threat by the part of the government that wrote the regulations. Depending on the nature of the resistance, you will fall somewhere along a continuum between being a protester and a terrorist. In this case people are pressing their rights by carrying deadly weapons, not pencils. So the government considers that sort of thing to be more terrorist than it is protesting.

Keep in mind we are talking about California.
 

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PaulBlart wrote:
stop bashing, they are working hard for you. and they are doing it for your own good.

bigot
Don't you have some boots to lick?

Get to it.
 

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Oh I fully agree with you there Hawkflyer. I have specific experience as I am a recovering Californian. David Lee Roth and his dang California Girls drew me in and then the trap slammed shut.

Protester / Patriot / Terrorist is this what lies between?

J

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JBURGII wrote:
Oh I fully agree with you there Hawkflyer. I have specific experience as I am a recovering Californian. David Lee Roth and his dang California Girls drew me in and then the trap slammed shut.

Protester / Patriot / Terrorist is this what lies between?

J

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Its a five step program. Looks to me like you are at step 4 or 5. Keep at it if you are here you are definitely on the right track. :lol:

1) Recognition that California is the problem

2) Disengagement from liberal entitlements and the nanny state

3) Removal of your person and interests from the offending geography

4) Deprogramming and returning to a self reliant lifestyle

5) Salvation
 

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Given that the phrase "enemy of the state" was used in most tyrannical nations, as well as by Sean Hannity to describe people he doesn't agree with, I've always considered it a badge of honor to have the label.

The open carry movement is quite radical, and in a post-9/11 age when government is doing its best to grab up as much control as possible, and is more paranoid about its own citizenry than it is about foreign threats, I never had any doubt that we at OCDO were on somebody's list and being watched by idiots with uniforms and a lack of understanding, not to mention contempt,about the concept of liberty.

After Lobby Day last year nakedshoplifter posted here about how Homeland Security had visited his own website where he posts his videos. Shocker.

Also, keep in mind that the government gets "help" from various groups organized against our freedoms, such as the Brady Bunch and the Southern Poverty Law Center, who wouldn't think twice about picking up a phone and telling the authorities what a bunch of threatening militia-type terrorists we all must be.

Oh well. You want to be an activist and try to work against the grain, you have to be ready for this.
 

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Tomahawk wrote:
SNIP Also, keep in mind that the government gets "help" from various groups organized against our freedoms, such as the Brady Bunch
You know, I was just thinking about this earlier today.

I wonder if maybe its more a matter of Brady Bunch, et al, are front groups for the men behind the curtain.

Don't even get me started on the Joyce Foundation.
 

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Don't even get me started on the Joyce Foundation.
You name one of the additional burdens on freedom advocates in Wisconsin and the Great Lakes region.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Foundation
The Joyce Foundation is a charitable foundation based in Chicago in the United States and operating principally in the Great Lakes region.

The Foundation primarily funds organizations in the Great Lakes region (specifically the states of Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, and Wisconsin).
 

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Citizen wrote:
Tomahawk wrote:
SNIP Also, keep in mind that the government gets "help" from various groups organized against our freedoms, such as the Brady Bunch
You know, I was just thinking about this earlier today.

I wonder if maybe its more a matter of Brady Bunch, et al, are front groups for the men behind the curtain.

Don't even get me started on the Joyce Foundation.

(smoke billows up around the great floating head as a resounding voice jumps forth)

....Never mind that man behind the curtain....

(as sheeple scatter, Citizen stands firm is resolute determination, while the soft whir of NSL camera is heard in the background)
 

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Hawkflyer wrote:
SNIP (smoke billows up around the great floating head as a resounding voice jumps forth)

....Never mind that man behind the curtain....

(as sheeple scatter, Citizen stands firm is resolute determination, while the soft whir of NSL camera is heard in the background)

Oh, thanks a lot. Now I'm Dorothy. :)
 
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