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    This may be closer to reality than you think

    You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door. Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers. At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way. With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it. In the darkness, you make out two shadows.

    One holds something that looks like a crowbar. When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire. The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside. As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.

    In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few That are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless. Yours was never registered. Police arrive and
    inform you that the second burglar has died. They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm. When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

    "What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.

    "Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing. "Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."

    The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper. Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys. Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them. Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times. But the next day's headline says it all: "Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die." The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters. As the days wear on, the story takes wings. The national media picks it up, then the international media. The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

    Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win. The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects. After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time. The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

    A few months later, you go to trial. The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted. When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works against you. Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man. It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.

    The judge sentences you to life in prison.

    This case really happened.

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    August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed one burglar and wounded a second. In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term.

    How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great
    British Empire ?

    It started with the Pistols Act of 1903. This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license. The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns.

    Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

    Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987. Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed Man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw. When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

    The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions. (The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

    Nine years later, at
    Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

    For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals. Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners. Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns. The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few sidearm still owned by private citizens.

    During the years in which the British government incrementally took Away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism. Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

    Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying, "We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

    All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times, and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences. Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.

    When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given three months to turn them over to local authorities. Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law. The few who didn't were visited by police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply. Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.

    How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had been registered and licensed. Kinda like cars.

    Sound familiar?

    WAKE UP
    AMERICA , THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

    "..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."

    --Samuel Adams

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    I worry about it every day, and anyone within earshot knows it because it is the subject I'm known to bring up at the drop of a hat. Does that make me a gun nut, or a constitutionalist? No, just a free American!

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    Not an authoritative source of course, but wiki has an article on this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)

    ETfix: Didn't read it carefully enough the first time, the article does appear to be consistent.

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    My only regret is that I have but one life to give for my country, but not ONE gun will they pry from my hands, unless of course, the'yre cold and dead.
    Live Free or Die Hard! dang good movie,,even better battle cry.
    Keep your powder dry !
    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Thomas Jefferson

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    The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.



    That could be said about me everyday of my life..

    If I'm home when the Chicken SH!&*'s come through the door, you can bet they'll find me waiting.., and it won't be with Tea and Crumpets!!

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    This goes back to one of the greatest sayings that I have ever heard - "I would rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6"

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    dupree187 wrote:
    This goes back to one of the greatest sayings that I have ever heard - "I would rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6"
    Be careful what you wish for.

    Tony Martin WAS judged by 12. He'll be carried by 6 after he dies in prison.

    There are other stories throughout this forum of folks whose peers didn't see it as self defense.
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

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    if the article is factual the charge was changed to manslaughter and he has served hi time:

    30 October 2001: Martin's murder conviction reduced to manslaughter, and his 10-year sentence for wounding Fearon is cut to three years, to run concurrently.
    29 June 2002 Burglar Fearon announces he is to sue Martin for £50,000.
    27 September 2002: Charlton Heston, former actor and president of the US National Rifle Association, gives his support to Martin.






    Martin had suffered previous break-ins at his farmhouse
    16 January 2003: Martin's bid to be released early on parole is rejected.
    15 April 2003: Fearon's bid to sue Martin is rejected by judges.
    13 June 2003: On appeal Fearon wins the right to sue Martin.
    24 July 2003: Martin moved from Highpoint Prison in Suffolk to a secret location.
    25 July 2003: Fearon released from prison early after being jailed for drug dealing.
    26 July 2003: Home Secretary David Blunkett asks for the Prison Service to explain Fearon's early release.
    28 July 2003: Martin released from custody.


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    I have been having conversations on internet TV and via email and PM for a while with a 27 year old Londoner who calls himself "Plasticmouse". He has said this case is "distressing" but he cant understand "You Yanks and your guns", so I directed him to this forum and to my own Internet TV channel where I demo and dicuss mostly firearms and firearms matters (When I broadcast which isnt often). Anthony, as his real name goes, will be coming to the USA for a visit and while he is in the DC area I hope to take him to the NRA Range in Fairfax and let him light a few off from each of my firearms. And maybe somebody there will let hin fire afew from an AK. Win hearts and minds one at a time, and all that.

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    Blinn79 wrote:
    After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time. The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

    I know this is only a tiny part of the topic, but this always makes me lol. Just what, exactly, is wrong with lying in wait for criminals? Isn't that what a security guard does? Are you supposed to be completely unprepared? Where do they draw the line between being prepared and "lying in wait"?

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    Blinn79 wrote:
    After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time. The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

    I know this is only a tiny part of the topic, but this always makes me lol. Just what, exactly, is wrong with lying in wait for criminals? Isn't that what a security guard does? Are you supposed to be completely unprepared? Where do they draw the line between being prepared and "lying in wait"?
    True DAT !!

    How dare that innocent victim ruin a planned and calculated potential death surprise..

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    Blinn79 wrote:
    After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time. The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.
    I know this is only a tiny part of the topic, but this always makes me lol. Just what, exactly, is wrong with lying in wait for criminals? Isn't that what a security guard does? Are you supposed to be completely unprepared? Where do they draw the line between being prepared and "lying in wait"?
    Good point.

    Certainly thistype of prosecutor wants to be the only one who "lies in wait"---for law-abiding citizens who engage in justifiable self-defense.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    I have been having conversations on internet TV and via email and PM for a while with a 27 year old Londoner who calls himself "Plasticmouse".* He has said this case is "distressing" but he cant understand "You Yanks and your guns", so I directed him to this forum and to my own Internet TV channel where I demo and dicuss mostly firearms and firearms matters (When I broadcast which isnt often).* Anthony, as his real name goes, will be coming to the USA for a visit and while he is in the DC area I hope to take him to the NRA Range in Fairfax and let him light a few off from each of my firearms. And maybe somebody there will let hin fire afew from an AK.* Win hearts and minds one at a time, and all that.
    Let me know via PM when he will be in town. I will add my AR-15 to that mix (if you don't have one already) and also maybe we can plan an OC Dinner while he is in town?

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