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Are you looking at Porn?

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Aran wrote:
Usually, if I'm asked "Are you looking at porn?" the answer is "Yes."


Then again, I usually am.
Wife - "Are you looking at porn?"

Me - "Yes, did the naked women on the screen give it away?"

I usually find myself on the couch with a pillow and blanket after that. :banghead:I really need tokeep control ofmy smartass mouth and practice more "situation awareness" while on line.
 

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JBURGII wrote:
Wasn't it the Prophet Bill (Engvall) who said.. "I want a beer and I wanna see something nekkid."

This is what resides in the minds of men. Oh and blowing stuff up.. :celebrate

J
It was Jeff Foxworthy, unless he stole the line from Bill Engvall.
 

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smash29 wrote:
JBURGII wrote:
Wasn't it the Prophet Bill (Engvall) who said.. "I want a beer and I wanna see something nekkid."

This is what resides in the minds of men. Oh and blowing stuff up.. :celebrate

J
It was Jeff Foxworthy, unless he stole the line from Bill Engvall.
I stand corrected.. although they are both Prophets of Redneck..
 

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Would you fellas mind being a little more specific about your disdain for the constitution party? I would assume your main argument would be for the christian based focus of the party as you may be non-believers...

Would that be an unfair assessment?
 

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Flintlock wrote:
Would you fellas mind being a little more specific about your disdain for the constitution party? I would assume your main argument would be for the christian based focus of the party as you may be non-believers...

Would that be an unfair assessment?

Has nothing to do with Christianity or otherwise for me, here's my real problem:

"We call on our local, state and federal governments to uphold our cherished First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing our laws against obscenity to maintain a degree of separation between that which is truly speech and that which only seeks to distort and destroy."

Sounds like they play the same game as the antis; the 1st Amendment only means what THEY want it to mean, everyone else is just reading it wrong. Just like us crazy gun owners and our 2nd Amendment, huh? We just don't have the reading comprehension skills of these incredibly intelligent Democrats to understand that the Founding Fathers didn't want anyone to have guns except the military and police, and that's what they meant by "shall not be infringed". But they totally support the 2nd Amendment! Just not YOUR 2nd Amendment. And the Constitution Party (how ironically named) supports the 1st Amendment, just not the 1st Amendment YOU'RE reading....

Now, if you'll excuse me, this neanderthal is going to bang two rocks together until he starts a fire......
 

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compmanio365 wrote:
Flintlock wrote:
Would you fellas mind being a little more specific about your disdain for the constitution party? I would assume your main argument would be for the christian based focus of the party as you may be non-believers...

Would that be an unfair assessment?

Has nothing to do with Christianity or otherwise for me, here's my real problem:

"We call on our local, state and federal governments to uphold our cherished First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing our laws against obscenity to maintain a degree of separation between that which is truly speech and that which only seeks to distort and destroy."

Sounds like they play the same game as the antis; the 1st Amendment only means what THEY want it to mean, everyone else is just reading it wrong. Just like us crazy gun owners and our 2nd Amendment, huh? We just don't have the reading comprehension skills of these incredibly intelligent Democrats to understand that the Founding Fathers didn't want anyone to have guns except the military and police, and that's what they meant by "shall not be infringed". But they totally support the 2nd Amendment! Just not YOUR 2nd Amendment. And the Constitution Party (how ironically named) supports the 1st Amendment, just not the 1st Amendment YOU'RE reading....

Now, if you'll excuse me, this neanderthal is going to bang two rocks together until he starts a fire......

Your quote is a snip that I was not able to find anywhere on the party platform. However, I am not sure why your disdain exists to the level it does but it appears that you are suggesting that obscenities (which are not defined)are a form of "speech" and that enforcing actual existinglaw is where your true problem may lie. Or are you saying that any law in that respect is unconstitutional and is therefore, invalid?

Nobody said you cannot understand parts of the constitution but I would argue thatour elected represenatives purposely indocrinate the public through repetition and massive media supportto ease it's violation to advance their personalagendas. I would argue that many millions are swayed by what they see and hear on the news, TV and public schooleveryday.I am not suggesting that is you, just making a point as I have found that most I meet go by that type of information and don't do their own research on those topics.

Thirdly, if there is a part of the platform that can be argued that it may be construed as a potential violation of the constitution, then I would not support that particular party belief. However, As a former republican and a potential libertarian supporter, I can find more actual platform constitutional vioaltions with those parties than I can with this one. And for your concern about the possible mis-interpreting of the 2nd amendment, you might consider re-reading the CP party platform on that particular amendment as I find it pleasing to read.
 

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I'm not for or against the CP.....but I find that portion, that's right on the page, exactly where it was linked to, to be pretty unacceptable. Your "obscenity" is my "free speech". If you don't like it, fine, but again, my view is that no law should be passed that prevents someone from doing ANYTHING so long as that person is not endangering another or causing another to have THEIR rights violated. Other than that, keep government out of my life altogether, as much as possible. That's being for the Constitution.

From that quote I pulled straight from the CP's website, where the link provided takes us, it seems to me that they are big on pushing what THEY feel is right onto the rest of us, just like all the other politicians out there. No thank you. They may be great on gun rights, and everything else perhaps, but that one item rubs me the wrong way. That's all I'm saying, and also that it seems pretty hypocritical for a party called the "Constitution Party" to take a stance on this matter so against what the Constitution is all about.
 

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Flintlock wrote:
Your quote is a snip that I was not able to find anywhere on the party platform.
That's funny, cuz I linked to it:

marshaul wrote:

At any rate, I have an ex who needs to be in a relationship all the time. Even if it means being with an abusive boyfriend, she's more likely to do that than be single for any length of time.

That's what Americans reminds me of when it comes to political parties. They always feel the need to be in bed with somebody!

Well, not me.

The LP became corrupt. So I stopped paying my dues.

The Constitution Party is insane. No go.

Mainstream parties? Bah.

I don't need a party. My politics are my own.
 

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I'm not for or against the CP.....but I find that portion, that's right on the page, exactly where it was linked to, to be pretty unacceptable.  Your "obscenity" is my "free speech".  If you don't like it, fine, but again, my view is that no law should be passed that prevents someone from doing ANYTHING so long as that person is not endangering another or causing another to have THEIR rights violated.  Other than that, keep government out of my life altogether, as much as possible.  That's being for the Constitution. 

From that quote I pulled straight from the CP's website, where the link provided takes us, it seems to me that they are big on pushing what THEY feel is right onto the rest of us, just like all the other politicians out there.  No thank you.  They may be great on gun rights, and everything else perhaps, but that one item rubs me the wrong way.  That's all I'm saying, and also that it seems pretty hypocritical for a party called the "Constitution Party" to take a stance on this matter so against what the Constitution is all about.
+1

And to add to that, the "one item" is a pretty big deal when it concerns a horrendous interpretation of the Constitution by the "Constitution Party".
 

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compmanio365 wrote:
I'm not for or against the CP.....but I find that portion, that's right on the page, exactly where it was linked to, to be pretty unacceptable. Your "obscenity" is my "free speech". If you don't like it, fine, but again, my view is that no law should be passed that prevents someone from doing ANYTHING so long as that person is not endangering another or causing another to have THEIR rights violated. Other than that, keep government out of my life altogether, as much as possible. That's being for the Constitution.

From that quote I pulled straight from the CP's website, where the link provided takes us, it seems to me that they are big on pushing what THEY feel is right onto the rest of us, just like all the other politicians out there. No thank you. They may be great on gun rights, and everything else perhaps, but that one item rubs me the wrong way. That's all I'm saying, and also that it seems pretty hypocritical for a party called the "Constitution Party" to take a stance on this matter so against what the Constitution is all about.

OK, I found it in the pornography section of the platform. I will post the whole thing because it at least offers the party explanation for the stance:

Pornography

Samuel Adams said: "While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but once they lose their virtue they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader."
Pornography, at best, is a distortion of the true nature of sex created by God for the procreative union between one man and one woman in the holy bonds of matrimony, and at worst, is a destructive element of society resulting in significant and real emotional, physical, spiritual and financial costs to individuals, families and communities. We call on our local, state and federal governments to uphold our cherished First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing our laws against obscenity to maintain a degree of separation between that which is truly speech and that which only seeks to distort and destroy.

With the advent of the Internet and the benevolent neglect of the previous administrations, the pornography industry enjoyed uninhibited growth and expansion until the point today that we live in a sex-saturated society where almost nothing remains untainted by its perversion. While we believe in the responsibility of the individual and corporate entities to regulate themselves, we also believe that our collective representative body we call government plays a vital role in establishing and maintaining the highest level of decency in our community standards.



By my own standards, I do not see any support in founders intent, state constitutions, or other documents that suggests that walking around naked and engaging in public pornography would be covered in a form of speech that is constitutionally protected. However, there is plenty of quotes, documentation, state constitutional backing to argue for a constitutionally protected armed society.

This is the platform belief on personal conduct by public officials. Why should the rest of us be any different?

Character and Moral Conduct

John Adams, 2nd President and signer of the Declaration of Independence warned:
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

He also counseled:
"The people have a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge - I mean of the character and conduct of their rulers." Our very Constitution is threatened when we permit immoral conduct by our leaders.​
Public respect and esteem toward public officials has fallen to a shameful level. The Constitution Party finds that a cause of this national state of disgrace is the deterioration of personal character among government leaders, exacerbated by the lack of public outcry against immoral conduct by public office holders. Our party leaders and public officials must display exemplary qualities of honesty, integrity, reliability, moral uprightness, fidelity, prudence, temperance, justice, fortitude, self-restraint, courage, kindness, and compassion. If they cannot be trusted in private life, neither can they be trusted in public life.

It is imperative the members and nominated candidates representing the Constitution Party and its state affiliates recognize the importance of demonstrating good character in their own lives.
 

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marshaul wrote:
Mainstream parties? Bah.

I don't need a party. My politics are my own.

I can understand and respect that. I share that belief and still vote for an arrayof different candidates from differing parties, including "independents" and no party affliliation candidates. However, I also understand that our political system is broken and without the political clout to at least make the ballot in all states and have a place at the table in the debates to tarnish the beliefs of the two-party system, a third-party candidate will never have a chance without support.

The CP most closely represents my ideals as a "party."

And again, you are suggesting that the party platform to take the stance thatsuggestsenforcing laws on limiting or even pohibiting publicpornography is unconstitutional. I don't see how you find it feasible unless you are advocating an anarchist society. Idon't believethis would have been allowed by the Christian founders even during the time of the Articles of Confederation because it wouldn't have been tolerated at the state level, much less at the time of the constitutional ratification.
 

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Government officials have lost respect because they have become corrupt. They do not need to watch porno to do this. In fact porn is entirely irrelevant.

Have you ever seen the film The Brown Bunny? Personally, I think it's a fairly bad film. I can't stand Vincent Gallo.

The film contains an explicit oral sex scene. However, it is not pornography in the usual sense. It actually is a part of the story and it tells us quite a bit about the main character's psychology.

This film is a piece of art, and although I don't like it, many people have praised its method of attracting a young audience to drive home his point about the dangers of date-rape culture to the viewers who will find it most relevant.

Read the following post:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330099/board/thread/107259343

The CP would ban the movie as "obscene" and some people would not learn what is otherwise a valuable lesson.

This is what happens when you let Christianists decide what constitutes "speech" and what is "obscene".

It is not for the government to define how people share messages through art. It is only for the government to protect our right to share those messages in whatever medium we see fit.

The CP has the whole thing back-asswards.
 

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Flintlock wrote:
And again, you are suggesting that the party platform to take the stance that suggests enforcing laws on limiting or even pohibiting public pornography is unconstitutional. I don't see how you find it feasible unless you are advocating an anarchist society. I don't believe this would have been allowed by the Christian founders even during the time of the Articles of Confederation because it wouldn't have been tolerated at the state level, much less at the time of the constitutional ratification.
Please, no disingenuousness. Nobody is discussing "public" pornography. The discussion is whether porno ever can be speech.

I have demonstrated above that it can be, or at least to an extent that blurs boundaries and confuses potential regulatory action.

At any rate, the Founders weren't Christian like modern Christians. God only knows that if (certain forms of) Christianity hadn't become so impure, corrupt, and despicable, I might not bear such antipathy towards it.
 

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I think it's quite clear that nobody is talking about public displays of pornography, including the ideals of the CP. They are talking about taking their ideas that "porn is bad and immoral" and telling the rest of us we have to believe that too.

Don't try to sell me a sock and say it's a hat. We all know it's a sock, and you just look silly trying to pass it off as a hat.
 

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Isn't virtually all pornography "public?" Magazines, TV, movies, internet, etc. is all public. Even local stations have commercials that have become racier and racier and use language that would have been an FCC violation years ago. Both of you guys are nitpicking one line in the platform as a basis for your lack of support for an entireparty and in some cases have labeled theirsupporters as clowns, etc.

What you are failing to realize is that it is debatable whether your issue with that line is constitutional or notin the first place.It is debatable that Christainity is different now than it was 200 years ago. I will also admit that it is debatable that the Founding Fathers would tolerate pornography in it's current forms. None of that is set in stone - it is all debatable.

What is not debatable is what we know oftheFoundersand what they taught us through their many spirited quotes and writings. That is what the CP bases their platform upon in addition to the constitutionand is worth investigatingin my opinion.

I also hope that is not your only problem with the party as I would think you fellas would be hard-pressed to find a candidate of any kind that could ever earn your votes. If you are indeed both voters, I am pretty sure I could find a quote supporting activities, aplatform stance, or a vote that was unconstitutional or would be unconstitutional from the candidate you supported.

Just a thought.

Edit: Forgot a line.
 
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