Photo of the first legal gun carriers in National Parks!

rebfan · Jan 20, 2009

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I visited the Manassas National Battlefield Park on Monday and before hand called the park about the new rule changes. The two rangers I spoke with had no clue about the change in rules. Though, I am glad I read the above link to the park page and read that it is still illegal to carry in federal buildings(visitor centers included).

Otherwise I had no issues.

Mr. Y · Jan 20, 2009

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Although not visible in this picture - http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/attachment.php?id=4889

the 2 guys in the picture at the GW Parkway were in attendanceat Richmond.

We need to get together and organize a National Parks picnic.

wrightme · Jan 20, 2009

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Well, this may have not lasted too long........

I am not positive if the National Park Carry is altered by this yet, but....

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2009/01/obama_halts_new_or_pending_reg.html?hpid=topnews

And the article at MSNBC mentions it.....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28758810/

I see that even though msnbc mentions it, the regulation change for National Park Carry is published in the Federal Register already, so should not be in peril.

changed after the reply below.

TFred · Jan 20, 2009

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wrightme wrote:

Well, this may have not lasted too long........

I am not positive if the National Park Carry is altered by this yet, but....

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2009/01/obama_halts_new_or_pending_reg.html?hpid=topnews

And the article at MSNBC mentions it.....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28758810/

No, according to the articles, the directive only applies to regulations that have not yet taken effect. The National Park concealed carry rule is already in effect.

TFred

wrightme · Jan 20, 2009

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TFred wrote:

wrightme wrote:

Well, this may have not lasted too long........

I am not positive if the National Park Carry is altered by this yet, but....

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2009/01/obama_halts_new_or_pending_reg.html?hpid=topnews

And the article at MSNBC mentions it.....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28758810/

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No, according to the articles, the directive only applies to regulations that have not yet taken effect. The National Park concealed carry rule is already in effect.

TFred

The washpost also states that the directive includes those not yet published in the Federal Register. NPC (as noted in my edited post) has been published.

wylde007 · Jan 23, 2009

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rebfan wrote:

I visited the Manassas National Battlefield Park on Monday and before hand called the park about the new rule changes.

I totally forget that half of VA is in some way, shape or form a National Park site. Yorktown, Williamsburg, etc...

Does this apply to places like Back Bay, Great Dismal Swamp and other National Wildlife Refuges? I mean, you could get accosted simply driving down Rte 17 to Elizabeth City if you didn't pull over and secure first.

What an idiotic thing to need a "law" for.

TFred · Jan 23, 2009

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From the other thread:

TFred wrote:

Puddin99 wrote:

http://www.politickerco.com/4181/obama-punts-11th-hour-oil-shale-park-gun-rules-salazar

Obama punts 11th-hour oil shale, park gun rules to Salazar
By Wendy Norris, Colorado Independent

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Environmentalists and unarmed national park enthusiasts got a bit of a reprieve Tuesday when the new Obama administration issued a memo halting further progress on a series of controversial midnight regulations pushed through in the waning days of a lame-duck Bush White House.

New West.net has the details on the last-minute rules that would have short-changed states on commercial oil shale royalties, de-listed the gray wolf as an endangered species and allowed loaded guns in national parks, among other measures:

Tuesday’s memo from Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel calls for a withdrawal of any regulation yet to be published, a ban on new regulations and a request that departments wait 60 days to implement any regulations that have been published and reopen public comment periods.

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http://coloradoindependent.com/19894/obama-punts-11th-hour-oil-shale-park-gun-rules-to-salazar

National park visitors hoping for a peaceful stroll through natural wonders sans pistol-packing may not have a friend in Salazar. The proposed rule to roll back a Reagan-era ban on loaded guns in national parks was supported by then-Sen. Salazar before being tapped by Obama to lead the Interior Department.

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This article references a NewWest.net article, which I could not find quickly from their main page. But Google popped it out here:

http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/obamas_first_days_bring_change_to_west/C41/L41/

It does state:

Tuesday’s memo from Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel calls for a withdrawal of any regulation yet to be published, a ban on new regulations and a request that departments wait 60 days to implement any regulations that have been published and reopen public comment periods.

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The National Park rule has already been implemented. Maybe this refers to those that are in the time period between publication and implementation?

TFred

If I understand it correctly, a rule is approved, then published, then a set time after publication, it goes into effect and is considered to be "implemented".

If the report on Emanuel's memo is correct, it appears to me that he targeted all rules that were not yet actually implemented.

There is remarkably little news coverage of this.

I just found a copy of the actual memo, will post back on the primary thread.

TFred

rebfan · Jan 23, 2009

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wylde007 wrote:

rebfan wrote:

I visited the Manassas National Battlefield Park on Monday and before hand called the park about the new rule changes.

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I totally forget that half of VA is in some way, shape or form a National Park site. Yorktown, Williamsburg, etc...

Does this apply to places like Back Bay, Great Dismal Swamp and other National Wildlife Refuges? I mean, you could get accosted simply driving down Rte 17 to Elizabeth City if you didn't pull over and secure first.

What an idiotic thing to need a "law" for.

I don't know about those places.

trailblazer2003 · Jan 25, 2009

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rebfan wrote:

wylde007 wrote:

rebfan wrote:

I visited the Manassas National Battlefield Park on Monday and before hand called the park about the new rule changes.

Click to expand...

I totally forget that half of VA is in some way, shape or form a National Park site. Yorktown, Williamsburg, etc...

Does this apply to places like Back Bay, Great Dismal Swamp and other National Wildlife Refuges? I mean, you could get accosted simply driving down Rte 17 to Elizabeth City if you didn't pull over and secure first.

What an idiotic thing to need a "law" for.

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I don't know about those places.

In general it appears to apply to all National refuges.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/E8-29249.htm

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[quote]Subpart D--Disturbing Violations: With Weapons    0  2. Amend Sec. 27.42 by adding a new paragraph (e) to read as follows:      Sec. 27.42 Firearms.    * * * * *  (e) Notwithstanding any other provision in this Chapter, persons  may    [[Page 74972]]    possess, carry, and transport concealed, loaded, and operable firearms  within a national wildlife refuge in accordance with the laws of the  state in which the wildlife refuge, or that portion thereof, is  located, except as otherwise prohibited by applicable Federal law.[/quote]

rebfan · Jan 25, 2009

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trailblazer2003 wrote:

Code:
rebfan wrote:

wylde007 wrote:

rebfan wrote:

I visited the Manassas National Battlefield Park on Monday and before hand called the park about the new rule changes.

Click to expand...

I totally forget that half of VA is in some way, shape or form a National Park site. Yorktown, Williamsburg, etc...

Does this apply to places like Back Bay, Great Dismal Swamp and other National Wildlife Refuges? I mean, you could get accosted simply driving down Rte 17 to Elizabeth City if you didn't pull over and secure first.

What an idiotic thing to need a "law" for.

Click to expand...

I don't know about those places.

Click to expand...

In general it appears to apply to all National refuges.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/E8-29249.htm

Code:

[quote]Subpart D--Disturbing Violations: With Weapons 0 2. Amend Sec. 27.42 by adding a new paragraph (e) to read as follows: Sec. 27.42 Firearms. * * * * * (e) Notwithstanding any other provision in this Chapter, persons may [[Page 74972]] possess, carry, and transport concealed, loaded, and operable firearms within a national wildlife refuge in accordance with the laws of the state in which the wildlife refuge, or that portion thereof, is located, except as otherwise prohibited by applicable Federal law.[/quote]

Thanks for the information.

Tusker · Feb 20, 2009

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Went to SKYLINE DRIVE, I see they STILL have their 'NO FIREARMS' sign up??? Can't help but wonder how long it will take to get this corrected? Maybe they are waiting until the end of the so called 'review?':shock:

Mr. Y · Feb 20, 2009

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Negative Houston. The 'so called' review is to determine that there is no environmental impact to the regulation change. NOT a review of the regulation. That was already completed.

Look up the park on the NPS website and call the Supt. of the park. Tell him to remove the sign pursuant to the new regulations!

Don't let little Napoleon complexgovernment goons punk you !

Or maybe we could hold a "no firearms sign removal party" for them as volunteers. :celebrate

Does anyone have Karen Taylor-Goodrich's number, we could invite her.:lol:

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