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Whew, boy, Mr Sonora Rebel, I disagree with you in a MAJOR way.
If you carried that same stuff into one of the Rez casino's here... You'd gone to jail. I don't even carry a loaded mag pouch... and I OC all the time. Vegas is... 'Vegas'. I wouldn't carry there or in Reno... anywhere near the 'strip's. There's no real need.
#1, This incident did not happen in Arizona, nor did it happen in a "Rez" casino - your comment is totally unrelated to the subject matter.
#2, "Vegas" is, indeed, "Vegas" - merely a city in the great state of Nevada. Same for Reno. Open carry is legal in both cities as it is in the remainder of the state. But that is NOT the subject here. We're talking about an empty holster.
#3,
"No real need" to carry? I bet many murdered good citizens have similarly opined. While this thread has nothing to do with the actual carry of firearms, since you brought it up, and since you are a 'former cop,' you MUST be aware of the FACT that police (and private security) are under NO obligation to protect the individual citizen; indeed, the cannot - it is impossible. Police cannot be everywhere at all times. We citizens are responsible for our own safety.
My opinion is you pushed the envelope on private property with the 'empty holster' routine.
And you are certainly entitled to your opinion - on that, we agree. Hell, I spent 20 years active duty and another 10 years of active, inactive, and fleet reserve sworn to uphold the Constitution which gurantees such rights.
As a former cop...I wouldn't care about your 'political statements' as much as I would about the 'public safety' in that particular environment. The Kubaku is a weapon... not a doo-dad. The 'cuffs are a bit much. Taser's 'n pepperspray are also 'weapons' 'n it's a wonder they didn't sieze them as well.
#1, "Former cop," eh? Your statement makes me wonder what training you received, how long you served as a cop, and for what reason you are no longer a cop.
#2, You
"...don't care about 'political statements...'" Well, fine. But I would expect you, as a "former cop," to have a better understanding of the Bill of Rights.
#3, You say the "Kubaku" (sic) is a "weapon." So what? As others have mentioned, many things can be used as weapons. If there is a Nevada statute that prohibits the carry of Kubotans, please reference it.
In 'police parlance'... they saw you as a 'goof'. In Vegas... there are a lott'a 'goofs'. There's also a lotta jailhouse lawyers.You're lucky you didn't get locked up as a public nuisance.
Lots of
'goofs' in Vegas? Maybe so, but there are lots of 'goofs' (depending on your definition) everywhere, from sea to shining sea. Even 'goofs' have Constitutional rights. And what does this have to do with this gentleman's incident? We have absolutely ZERO reason to believe this gentleman was a 'goof.' To the contrary, it appears this gent acted 100% 'normal,' peaceful, honest, forthrightand within all laws at all times.
If you carried that same stuff into one of the Rez casino's here... You'd gone to jail. I don't even carry a loaded mag pouch... and I OC all the time. Vegas is... 'Vegas'. I wouldn't carry there or in Reno... anywhere near the 'strip's. There's no real need.
#1, Well, again, we ain't talkin' about 'Rez' casinos. We ARE talking about lawful and peaceful conduct in a city in the great state of Nevada.
#2,
"There's no real need" to carry in Vegas or Reno. THAT is an asinine statement that doesn't deserve further comment.
"Past your front door ain't 'Vegas'. 'Vegas is... well, 'Vegas'. It's a whole nuther world." Again, actuallyLas Vegas, while unique in many ways, is still a city in Nevada and the Constitution and Nevada state law both still apply there.
There is so much security in Vegas... private and city... the necessity of carrying weapons is near nil. The OC wasn't (IMHO) doin't anything out of necessity as he was making a statement to deliberatelyprovoke 'somebody' into doin' what they did. I b'lieve that was his intent... otherwise why have the voice recorder? 'N no... they don't care what yer t-shirt or hat 'says'.
#1, If you think
"the necessity of carrying weapons is near nil," well, again, that is an asinine statement.
#2, With so many cops (and, like you, 'former cops') thinking like that, just maybe we should ALL carry a voice recorder!!! Who cares if he had and used a voice recorder as long as it is lawful to do so??
He was showboatin'... which does nothing to further RTKBA. He failed to use discretion and common sensein that dynamic. I'veOC'd guns'n knivesfor a long time... Goin' back to 1966 'n have NEVER provoked any LEO response. I don't go lookin' for trouble. I carry for self defense where there is reasonable probability that I may encounter a problem where there is no other prudent option within reasonable distance.
#1,
"Showboating" - NOT necessarily. And even IF it were true, who cares? It was completely lawful and NON threatening.
#2, You
"carry for self defense where there is reasonable probability that I may encounter a problem where there is no other prudent option within reasonable distance." Hmmm. That is NUTS! Do you believe the good citizens that were eating at Luby's cafeteria in Killeen, Texas AND at McDonald's in San Ysidro, California (among numerous other places) thought they had a reasonable probability that they would encounter a problem while they dined???
Please,
PLEASE tell us how you determine if you have reasonable probability you'll encounter a problem and need to carry your firearm. The bottom line is thus: Bad things can (and do) happen everywhere/anywhere/anytime. The city of Las Vegas and casinos therein are no different.
Indeed, your opinion differs greatly from my opinion. And it is somewhat shocking to hear a 'former cop' opine as you do.
