Detained/Harased by Las Vegas MPD on The Strip during my New Year's trip

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'How 'bout you go away 'n troll someplace else? The actor is lucky he didn't end up in the city jail.

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The OP was very lucky. I have held a NY CWP for 58 years. I also hold several CCP's from other states.

Having spent many years in NY and count many NY State Troopers as close friends, I can tell you his treatment in NY would not have been treated as gently in NY as it was in Vegas.

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MITCH wrote:

The OP was very lucky. I have held a NY CWP for 58 years. I also hold several CCP's from other states.

Having spent many years in NY and count many NY State Troopers as close friends, I can tell you his treatment in NY would not have been treated as gently in NY as it was in Vegas.

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And rightfully so!

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Sounds like a lot of you guys have become very complacent about your rights, simply because you're not hassled in AZ.

Kinda sad, really....

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mzbk2l wrote:

Sounds like a lot of you guys have become very complacent about your rights, simply because you're not hassled in AZ.

Kinda sad, really....

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I have no problem with organized lawful demonstrations, I have a problem when you put people at risk for no reason. The police were called into a situation that was not necessary and could have been avoided. Like stated above...gun...where is the gun...who has the gun.. There are many ways to stand up for your rights without walking over everyone in route, it tends to bring negativity to something that is very important. Who knows, maybe I am wrong.

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mzbk2l wrote:

Sounds like a lot of you guys have become very complacent about your rights, simply because you're not hassled in AZ.

Kinda sad, really....

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+1

Though sad isn't the word I would use .

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diesel556 wrote:

mzbk2l wrote:

Sounds like a lot of you guys have become very complacent about your rights, simply because you're not hassled in AZ.

Kinda sad, really....

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+1

Though sad isn't the word I would use .

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Please expand, I am curious for some reason. Because we disagree with the methodology, that makes "us guys" complacent? Here are the facts, the guy went into a casino with a holster..these are no go areas for handguns clearly posted wether we agree or not is not the point. So obviously they are thinking he has a gun and it is either hidden or someone else has it or...

Let me quote SonoraRebel here;

Do you quite comprehend that the guy was NOT carrying... nor attempting to carry for self defensive purposes? Have you ever been in 'Vegas? Or any of the casino's? Do you understand at all the dynamic of the security situation? Empty holster = implied gun... somewhere? Where is the gun? Loose gun? Who has the gun? Where is the gun? This is not an instance of 'Rights'... it's a grandstand for attention... by a goof. There are hordes of goofs in 'Vegas. The goof in question is a New Yorker...

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That pretty much says it all, it seems like common sense to me. Tell me where I am wrong, come strong or don't come at all +1.

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Crossfire Jedi wrote:

diesel556 wrote:

mzbk2l wrote:

Sounds like a lot of you guys have become very complacent about your rights, simply because you're not hassled in AZ.

Kinda sad, really....

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+1

Though sad isn't the word I would use .

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Please expand, I am curious for some reason. Because we disagree with the methodology, that makes "us guys" complacent? Here are the facts, the guy went into a casino with a holster..these are no go areas for handguns clearly posted whether we agree or not is not the point. So obviously they are thinking he has a gun and it is either hidden or someone else has it or...
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Tell me where I am wrong, come strong or don't come at all +1.

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So any time we undertake a legal activity that could give a person reason to "think" we are going to commit a crime, it's ok to allow our rights to be violated?

There is no law against wearing an open holster, but you have no problem allowing the police to hassle someone for doing so, correct? What other perfectly legal activities will you throw out our rights for, and why do you get to decide which legal activities are acceptable for harassment?

It's perfectly legal for you to openly carry your pistol in AZ, even though it's illegal for you to discharge it within 1/4 mile of an occupied structure. Supposing a cop were to see you and decide you "could have" discharged it already, or "might be thinking about" discharging it soon. Does that make it ok to detain you, even though the activity you are currently undertaking (openly carrying your holstered pistol) is perfectly legal?

If you've answered yes, please thank those people who DO continue to fight for your rights while you sit idly by and let them disappear.

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Why would you want someone to think you were doing something illegal?

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It really doesn't matter what I think, you think, or the cops thought. The fact is that he was doing nothing illegal, and nothing that appeared illegal.

Do I think he was asking for trouble? Yes.

Doesn't change the fact that his actions were perfectly legal and therefore not worthy of harassment.

When it becomes ok for the police to harass you for taking actions that are not prohibited by law, there is a problem.

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mzbk2l wrote:

Crossfire Jedi wrote:

diesel556 wrote:

mzbk2l wrote:

Sounds like a lot of you guys have become very complacent about your rights, simply because you're not hassled in AZ.

Kinda sad, really....

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+1

Though sad isn't the word I would use .

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Please expand, I am curious for some reason. Because we disagree with the methodology, that makes "us guys" complacent? Here are the facts, the guy went into a casino with a holster..these are no go areas for handguns clearly posted whether we agree or not is not the point. So obviously they are thinking he has a gun and it is either hidden or someone else has it or...
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Tell me where I am wrong, come strong or don't come at all +1.

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So any time we undertake a legal activity that could give a person reason to "think" we are going to commit a crime, it's ok to allow our rights to be violated?

There is no law against wearing an open holster, but you have no problem allowing the police to hassle someone for doing so, correct? What other perfectly legal activities will you throw out our rights for, and why do you get to decide which legal activities are acceptable for harassment?

It's perfectly legal for you to openly carry your pistol in AZ, even though it's illegal for you to discharge it within 1/4 mile of an occupied structure. Supposing a cop were to see you and decide you "could have" discharged it already, or "might be thinking about" discharging it soon. Does that make it ok to detain you, even though the activity you are currently undertaking (openly carrying your holstered pistol) is perfectly legal?

If you've answered yes, please thank those people who DO continue to fight for your rights while you sit idly by and let them disappear.

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Another individual with 'authority' issues. 'Know anything about 'Situational Relativity'? Security and the cops checked him out. That's their job. He was trollin' for a confrontation 'n got it. They do not suffer fools in that environment... they're too many of them. You may have a good time... within limits. All things in moderation. Exceed those limits... 'n it's: 'On yer way.. Bub'.

Yeah... there's laws about discharging your firearm in AZ. If you think some LEO is gonna 'project' in that manner 'here'... you haven't beenin AZlong. If gunshots have been heard... and you're seen with a pistol in the vincinity... yer damn right you're gonna be 'detained'. 'Least long enuff for a sniff test. It's called 'investigation'. It's called 'probable cause'. It's called 'policing'.

'Fight for 'my' rights'? I've gone to war three times Cupcakes... 'don't tell me about fightin' for Rights. I write letters to the Congress, the Senate 'n even the Mayor of DC relative to the 2A. This cowboy owes nobody nuthin'... 'particularly the grandstanders 'n showboaters who think the 2A was written for their personal theatrical indulgence.

For the most part the denial of 2A is a state/county/municipal problem. I can't fix their problem.I don't VOTE there. I don't pay taxes there.

What I see here are arguments by immature blow-hard fanatics 'n drama queens who seem to think they can do anything, anywhere w/o consequences. No 'rational' person wears an empty holster w/o a valid (obvious) reason. In a casino crowd... such will attract unwanted attention. Then... there's the veracity of the OP's statements. Or... intentional omission of such. Are we to accept everthing written as the absolute truth? What about conduct? Mannerisms? The OP went lookin' for this kind of confrontation and got it. The 'voice recorder' 'n all that are NOT what your average tourist wears in Casino's. So... he gets 'detained'... then bitches about it. What he was lookin' for was to get arrested 'n then file Suite. 'Didn't happen. 'Guess maybe he had visions of dodgin' pee-pee's in the 'Vegas lock-up for a day or so.

They're not interested in personal'statements'. They're in the entertainment 'n makin' money business. They'll want to KNOW where that pistol is. Holster + Pistol= ?? That's the dynamic. You canwear yer t-shirts 'n hats 'n the rest of it... but no weapons means NO WEAPONS.

There's a few joints out here in the 'wilds' where you can still enter 'armed' and hand your piece or gunbeltto the barkeep 'n retrieve it upon leaving. Used to be that way nearly all over Southwestern Arizona... even hotel barsin Tucson.

BTW... where's the OP on this lately? Maybe he's accidentally cuffed himself?

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Well said, SR, but I'll continue to disagree with you. As long as you feel that it's ok for the police to detain someone who is performing a perfectly legal activity with no evidence of law-breaking, I'll think you're wrong.