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    I've had my CPL for 7yrs and have been looking at this site for a little while now. I live in Kennewick andstarted OCing last week. I've been to Walmart twice, Costco, and The UPS Store during last week. I took the whole family to the Columbia Center Mall today without any incident. My eldest daughterhad a Barns and Noble gift card so we shopped in the kid section, then we wondered around the rest of the mall letting the kids climb into the boats they were displaying. I carry a Taurus PT145 cross-draw so it is pretty discrete but I've noticed a few people giving me double takes but nobody has run away screaming or dialing on their cells. So far it has been a great experience. My wife is going to start OCing as soon as she gets the shoulder holster she wants. I hope everyone else thinking about OCing takes the leap and just goes for it. It is extremely liberating to exercise your rights!

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    Good for you. It's actually quite liberating. But do be careful with Costco as I have read here that they have a corporate policy against carrying at all in their stores.

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    Welcome aboard, and as has been pointed out OC can be quite liberating. Just be sure you know your rights if/when you are detained by LEO for OC.

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    I was at the Costco in Everett today and looked everywhere for a sign that told me the Glock on my waist was not welcomed. Did not find anything restricting my 2a rights......


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    daddyman wrote:
    I was at the Costco in Everett today and looked everywhere for a sign that told me the Glock on my waist was not welcomed. Did not find anything restricting my 2a rights......
    I did the same on my visit and saw nothing. So, I figure it is good to go until I'm told otherwise by management. I'm an "exective" member and will make a little bit of a stink about it if I am. I didn't read anthing regarding firearms on the membership paperwork.

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    Wolf_shadow wrote: (FROM THIS THREAD: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...mp;forum_id=54)
    From Costco

    Personal Firearms/Guns in Costco Stores

    Costco Wholesale is a membership-only warehouse club. It is not open to the general public. It restricts membership to a limited group of qualified individuals who agree to membership conditions. We have the right and the obligation to our members, to enact and enforce membership rules. The Member Service Employees at the exit doors are obliged to follow these rules. By obtaining a Costco membership card, our members agree to comply with the Membership Rules and the Privileges and Conditions of membership.

    Costco does not believe that it is necessary for firearms to be brought into its warehouse stores, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers. For the protection of all our members and employees, we feel this is a reasonable and prudent precaution to ensure a pleasant shopping experience and safe workplace. Our policy is meant to protect our members and employees in all warehouses around the world. This is not a new policy and we do not customize the policy for each individual city/county/state/country where we do business.

    Our primary goal at Costco Wholesale is to keep our members happy. If you believe that our policy restricting members from bringing firearms into our warehouse stores is either unfair or excessively burdensome, or you cannot agree to abide by this policy, or you are dissatisfied for any other reason, Costco will promptly refund your annual membership fee in full.
    Let me emphasize one point they make "This is not a new policy and we do not customize the policy for each individual city/county/state/country where we do business."

    You can get away with CC in Costco, but if you attempt to OC, they do have policy in writing from corporate that allows them to trespass you right out of Costco. The store you went to may not be aware of it or may not care, but if they choose to confront you, I'd advise that you leave peacefully and don't attempt to argue with them.

    FYI: The Costco in Spokane had an incident where customer accidentally discharge his firearm in a restroom a few months ago. No one was hurt, but they cleared the store and called the LEO's.


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    Barnes & Noble is good to go on firearms.


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    M1Gunr wrote:
    Barnes & Noble is good to go on firearms.

    I love how they stated and other firearms, imagine peoples reactions if you walked in with an AK slung over your shoulder.

    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    M1Gunr wrote:
    Barnes & Noble is good to go on firearms.
    I love how they stated and other firearms, imagine peoples reactions if you walked in with an AK slung over your shoulder.
    ...then went to the Self Help section to find a book with a title in large print that said something like "Living with Depression"

    *chuckle* Sorry... that's a terrible joke.:P
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    rofl.....thats what I was thinking....lol
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Does anyone have any letters from Safeway or Fred Meyer on the issue?

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    Izzle wrote:
    Does anyone have any letters from Safeway or Fred Meyer on the issue?
    I don't know about Safeway, but I do know that DEROS hasn't had any issues with the one he frequents for coffee in Fed Way.

    As for Fred Meyer, there's been a letter or three out to corporate for a loooong time and I don't think anything's come of it. There was an incident a while back that someone wrote to them about and then asked for an update and I don't recall hearing anything coming of it.
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    Izzle wrote:
    Does anyone have any letters from Safeway or Fred Meyer on the issue?
    I'm still waiting on my letter from Fred Meyer Legal. I keep getting told they are working on it and will let me know as soon as its done. To my understanding they did not have a policy and are now creating one although they haven't said which way it will go.

    There is a thread on Safeway with someone dealing with a manager in which that manager sayd Safeway sollows state law. I'll see what i can did up.

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    M1Gunr wrote:
    Izzle wrote:
    Does anyone have any letters from Safeway or Fred Meyer on the issue?
    I'm still waiting on my letter from Fred Meyer Legal. I keep getting told they are working on it and will let me know as soon as its done. To my understanding they did not have a policy and are now creating one although they haven't said which way it will go.

    There is a thread on Safeway with someone dealing with a manager in which that manager sayd Safeway sollows state law. I'll see what i can did up.
    I have also made two calls to Fred Meyer that have gone unanswered, all I get is "that i will get a call from corporate"

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    Glad to hear that we've got another OCer in the Tri-Cities. We'll have to do an OC lunch when I get back into town


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    Dave & TreadNot - Send me a PM when/if you want to do lunch. I'd love to get together with both of you.

    I may need some help working on the city of Richland. I got their parks ban dropped, but they won't respond to my questions about their restaurant ban - they specifically ban firearms in any restaurant that serves alcohol, not just the "21 and over" section. They're out of compliance with state law and their attorney doesn't seem to want to deal with the issue.

    I'm going to step up the pressure on them in the next several weeks if they continue to be non-responsive. Not sure if you're up for a "sit in" or not - an OC lunch with drinks in the family section of a Richland restaurant, & informing the police beforehand, may push the envelope enough to force their hand one way or the other.


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    tricityguy wrote:
    I may need some help working on the city of Richland. I got their parks ban dropped, but they won't respond to my questions about their restaurant ban - they specifically ban firearms in any restaurant that serves alcohol, not just the "21 and over" section. They're out of compliance with state law and their attorney doesn't seem to want to deal with the issue.
    Contact your local Liquor control board if you find any places with improper sign placement, they will fix that. Alert the LCB about the city laws as well. Just remember you have the law on your side if they choose to push the issue.

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    tricityguy wrote:
    Dave & TreadNot - Send me a PM when/if you want to do lunch. I'd love to get together with both of you.
    Oh, I see how it is...

    I may need some help working on the city of Richland. I got their parks ban dropped, but they won't respond to my questions about their restaurant ban - they specifically ban firearms in any restaurant that serves alcohol, not just the "21 and over" section. They're out of compliance with state law and their attorney doesn't seem to want to deal with the issue.
    I'm happy to lend a hand, although I haven't any connections with the City anymore.

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    LOL! Sorry Riverdog. Didn't catch that you were here, too. Honestly I'd like to meet all of my fellow OCers in the area.

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    Costco seems to want it both ways. I have never seen a posting at their stores about firearms. But if you OC and they contact you they fall back on the written policy. It is like they want to deal with us one at a time quietly but do not advertise their anti gun stance to the rest of their customers.

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    ghosthunter wrote:
    Costco seems to want it both ways. I have never seen a posting at their stores about firearms. But if you OC and they contact you they fall back on the written policy. It is like they want to deal with us one at a time quietly but do not advertise their anti gun stance to the rest of their customers.
    So how do we get some publicity on the Costco issue? I love Costco, but now that I know this I'm thinking that I need to cancel my membership or try and get them to change their policy. I'm not one for picket signs...so what are our other options. All we need is publicity and it will start to hurt them in their wallets.





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    TreadNot,

    Glad to hear that we have another OCer in our community. Be careful with Columbia Center Mall. You can read about my experience with them here:

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/23896.html

    Dave, TriCityGuy & TreadNot - please look into the Tri-CitiesOC dinner we're planning in August if you haven't already.

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    What's interesting to me, besides merely the fact that private companies come down on either side of the "firearms-in-my store" issue, is the reasons they give. I mean, the Barnes & Noble example blew me away. They actually came out and said, basically, that in coming up with their policy, they looked to the law. Costco, on the other hand, flies in the face of it and perversely (and paradoxically, I might add) tries to hide behind "safety" as a reason for prohibiting firearms.

    Very telling.

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    We must remember where Costco started, but then again so did Starbucks and they have been mostly friendly to us OCers?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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