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    Ok, First I was to nip this in the bud. We are not a Raciest, Religious, or Radical organization!!! we do not tolerate any form of discrimination.

    Ok, with that said I want to say that we are looking for people that my be interested in joining. we are mainly a group of LAW-ABIDING citizens that share a common interest in LEGAL firearms, Citizens Rights, Survival, and Education for the public at large of their rights as Citizens of the greatCommonwealth of Kentucky, and the United States of America our background is derived from history and a willingness to assist a community in need. such as in the case of Hurricane Katrina. we are trying to start a non-profit organization to assist theCommonwealth of Kentucky in times of need. We have a basic command staff together right now and are open to ideas and suggestions about doing this properly and legally whereas to portray a very positive image to the general public. are goals are to protect the Commonwealth of Kentucky and every citizens rights. I am just looking for any suggestions from this community ans to how we should proceed. we are also seeking advice on how to get the organization recognized by the state and federal government as a non-profit organization. similar to Civil Air Patrol

    Thanks, in advance for all suggestions


    also if you want to see a rough draft of what are plans ans more information until we can get a website we are using myspace as a form for information about us the url is http://www.myspace.com/kentucky_state_militia
    and also you can email us at kentucky.state.militia@gmail.com



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    Personally I'd just enlist in the National Guard,, aside from uniting with a few well trusted and armedneighbors in the event of a state of emergency, to protect your family and property, you might be asking for more attention than one would want trying to organize your own army..

    But hey this is just my opinion!!



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    A group of private citizens who train for military duty to be ready to defend their state or country in times of emergency. A militia is distinct from regular military forces, which are units of professional soldiers maintained both in war and peace by the federal government.

    In the United States, the National Guard currently serves as the nation's militia. Made up of volunteers, the National Guard acts under the dual authority of both the federal and state governments. According to the Constitution, Congress can call the National Guard into federal service for three purposes: to enforce federal laws, to suppress insurrections, and to defend against invasions. State governors can call upon the National Guard for emergencies that are prescribed by state law.

    Another type of militia, not recognized by the federal or state governments, is the private militia. Private militias are composed of private citizens who train for armed combat. The formation of private militias became more common in the United States in the early 1990s as some political groups armed themselves to demonstrate their opposition to certain policies and practices of the federal government. One of the most publicized private militia groups was the Montana Freemen, who were involved in a lengthy standoff with agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in 1996.

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    I guess gettin hold of the guvna would be your first line of responsibility..

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    we are trying to start a non-profit organization to assist the state of kentucky in times of need.

    In what way?

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    what does it matter if it was a non-profit organization? Does that even matter?

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    Here are some recommendations:

    Start Locally with your local gun range buddies. Try and amass a group of individuals such that you can vote for some leader, preferably one with military experience who can train. Each man brings his own weapon and ammo.

    If we can get enough branches across the state we can have all the elected leaders communicate and help build a network. If enough people could really be involved than maybe (but VERY unlikely) they could get some kind of recognition from the Governor.

    Obviously each group would need to have regular meetings that are completely planned out and are meaningful. Make every effort to NOT look like a fringe organization. I'll go so far as to say to not wear camo when training. Just like with open carry we want to show ourselves as everyday citizens instead of mall ninjas.

    BTW the National Guard is NOT the militia. Militia is voluntary at all times.

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    boohickey11 wrote:
    Here are some recommendations:

    Start Locally with your local gun range buddies. Try and amass a group of individuals such that you can vote for some leader, preferably one with military experience who can train. Each man brings his own weapon and ammo.

    If we can get enough branches across the state we can have all the elected leaders communicate and help build a network. If enough people could really be involved than maybe (but VERY unlikely) they could get some kind of recognition from the Governor.

    Obviously each group would need to have regular meetings that are completely planned out and are meaningful. Make every effort to NOT look like a fringe organization. I'll go so far as to say to not wear camo when training. Just like with open carry we want to show ourselves as everyday citizens instead of mall ninjas.

    BTW the National Guard is NOT the militia. Militia is voluntary at all times.

    Exactly, we are trying to educate everybody in the rights and responsibilities that are for each citizen of this greatcommonwealth our entire senior staff all have military experience so far. either Army National Guard or Marine Corps. We are even planning on teaching classes in History and US Law some point before we even get into weapons training. We want to do this the right way and the more people we have the more we can get accomplished. We are wanting to become a non-profit organization because we want to be able to receive any form of donations that someone would want to give at any point in time or if we can be apart of the DRMO program from the Military to receive military surplus such as vehicles and other items. I appreciate everyones help so far. and look for continued support from this community. anyone interested in joining can contact us from the links above

    Thanks again

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    PFC Helms wrote:
    Ok First I was to nip this in the bud. We are not a Raciest, Religous, or Radical organization!!! we do not tolerate any form of discrimination.

    Ok with that said I want to say that we are looking for people that my be interested in joining. we are mainly a group of LAW-ABIDING citizens that share a common intrest in LEGAL firearms, Citizens Rights, Survival, and Education fo the public at large of their rights and Citizens of the great state of Kentucky, and the United States of America our background is derived from histor and a willingness to assist a community in need. such as in the case of Hurricane Katrina. we are trying to start a non-profit organization to assist the state of kentucky in times of need. We have a basic command staff together right now and are open to ideas and suggestions about doing this properly and legally whereas to portray a very posative image to the general public. are goals are to protect the Commonwealth of Kentucky and every citizens rights. I am just looking for any suggestions from this community ans to how we should proceed. we are also seeking advice on how to get the organization recognized by the state and federal government as a Non-profit organization. similar to Civil Air Patrol

    Thanks, in advance for all suggestions


    also if you want to see a rough draft of what are plans ans more information untill we can get a website we are using myspace as a form for information about us the url is http://www.myspace.com/kentucky_state_militia
    and also you can email us at kentucky.state.militia@gmail.com


    Ok, you want suggestions?

    Spell-check. Seriously.

    You say you want to educate others, but you refer to "kentucky" as both a state and a commonwealth? You're going to come across as agenda-driven and not true to what you state are your core values unless you start doing a better job of presenting yourself in public.

    More than anything, leftists want to point to things like your post and say, "See, look at these ignorant rednecks, they should be stopped."

    More than anything, I would drop the moniker of "militia". The title just has a negative connotation, through no fault of your own.

    I would go with "Kentucky Citizens' Union", or something along that line. That way you can come off as a "service organization", just with a little more umph than say, the Lions Club. But you have to make sure that the service part of your organization is put out in public.

    I would do several things...

    1. Get the name of your organization out there in a positive light as many times as possible. Do things like donate to the yearly coat drives for needy children in your area, donate to things like food banks when radio and television stations are having drives. Make sure you arrive with a truckload of stuff, with a banner on the side of the truck that says, "Kentucky Citizens' Union" (or whatever) on the side of it. You might get a free quickie interview on the radio if your donation is impressive enough.

    2. Sponsor a kid's T-ball, soccer, and/or football team. Make sure "KCU" is on the back of the jerseys.

    3. Adopt a stretch of highway.

    4. If you really, really want to cast of the "racist" connotation, make sure you are seen in some capacity at organised events that attract mostly African-Americans, and Mexican-Americans.

    5. Have a float in any local parades (again, with that banner flying), and if it is allowed, throw candy at everyone who looks to be under 21. :P

    6. Get involved with the local F.O.P. See if you can sponsor a bingo session once a month. Bring your banner.

    What all these things will do is attract attention to your organization. People will approach, and ask specifically what it is you do. Push the service aspects, then and just include the whole gun rights thing in the middle somewhere.

    I am not saying your should hide any aspects of your organization, just be very choosey about which ones your thrust to the forefront. Even if you have a potential convert, they could be turned away by the thought of joining a "militia", but freely join a "Kentucky Citizens' Union."














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    Ok, sorry about the spelling I am usually really good about catching those mistakes. Those suggestions are some really good onesand I agree with them. The rest of the senior staff and I are working on a lot of things to include what we are going to officially call ourselves. We are going to vote on it at our first staff meeting. One of the things that we are planning on doing as far as any weapons training, the BC, SGM, and I are going to get NRA Instructor Certified. I definitely agree about supporting X-American (replace X with whichever nationality you please) events to cast away the entire negative stigma that surrounds many of the Militia groups. Our entire operationis open to public inspection. We want the public to beinvolved because the whole reason we are here is for them. I really appreciate all the suggestions that have been given, and welcome any more suggestions that anyone may have.


    Also, I have edited my previous post for spelling and grammar

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    When comes to firearms training, I do so under the banner of a rifle team, a pistol team, and or a shotgun team. Also, have/sponsor IDPA and 3 gun type competitions. Invite the local sheriff, chief of police, whomever to have a representative at your business and training meetings. I strongly suggest that you do not have any of these in your name: militia, guard, or defense force. It will cause you unwarranted attention and headache in the long run. Keep everything legal, open and above board. Try to find an attorney to be your legal affairs officer who is willing and able to do research in legalities. Seek a state wide sponsoring agency. If the state military department will not, how about state emergency preparedness. As to a name, you may want to adopt the name of a historic unit: Kentucky Scouts, Kentucky Pathfinders, or Kentucky Rangers. May want to have various individuals or teams who could do living history impressions during various time frames of Kentucky History.

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    Why not take a tip from the Godzilla movies, and call yourself(s) the .'Kentucky Self Defense Forces'? Avoid dressinglike Isaiah Amos Rednecks,thatwill not win popular support; Confederate-Flag waving, hogleg revolver-, lever action rifle-, shotgun- brandishing crowd.

    Pay for police background checks, dress decently, act reasonably well-behaved. A .'casual summer uniform', itcould bea moisture-wicking white t-shirt, a pair of light tan Kmart cargo pants, pull on sneakers, and a white ball cap with .'KSDF'. on it. Save the cammies for when they are needed, Have armbands with .'KSDF'. printed on them.





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    Carnivore wrote:
    Personally I'd just enlist in the National Guard,, aside from uniting with a few well trusted and armedneighbors in the event of a state of emergency, to protect your family and property, you might be asking for more attention than one would want trying to organize your own army..

    But hey this is just my opinion!!



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    A group of private citizens who train for military duty to be ready to defend their state or country in times of emergency. A militia is distinct from regular military forces, which are units of professional soldiers maintained both in war and peace by the federal government.

    In the United States, the National Guard currently serves as the nation's militia. Made up of volunteers, the National Guard acts under the dual authority of both the federal and state governments. According to the Constitution, Congress can call the National Guard into federal service for three purposes: to enforce federal laws, to suppress insurrections, and to defend against invasions. State governors can call upon the National Guard for emergencies that are prescribed by state law.

    Another type of militia, not recognized by the federal or state governments, is the private militia. Private militias are composed of private citizens who train for armed combat. The formation of private militias became more common in the United States in the early 1990s as some political groups armed themselves to demonstrate their opposition to certain policies and practices of the federal government. One of the most publicized private militia groups was the Montana Freemen, who were involved in a lengthy standoff with agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in 1996.
    My understanding is that if you're in the Guard, you are no longer part of the militia, nor am I for that matter as I am older than 45...

    Carry on


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    The Senior Staff and I were thinking we could use the Army Green Dress uniforms with red name tags and red flashes on the black beret, instead of black name tags and blue beret flashes. The main reason behind this decision is that the U.S. Army is phasing out the Service Green uniforms. For Utility uniforms were planning on using the Tru-spec Crye-Precision Multicam pattern uniforms. With tan boots, nametapes, and for a branch tape stating Kentucky. Then also have casual uniforms such as khaki slacks and a polo shirt with the name and emblem on it, and either the tan boots or tennis shoes. Also, an idea has came up to have the U.S. Flag on the Right shoulder and the Kentucky State Flag on the left shoulder of the Utility Uniforms.

    Another idea for the name that we are considering is the Kentucky State Defense Force. We have also decided that we are going to adopt a grooming standard to present a positive image to the public and it will be enforced while at both Unit meetings, and activities or any time members are in uniform. The SGM and I have been discussing that we will have a background check as part of the enlistment process. We are looking for a person that could perform S-1 duties in personnel administration. We will not tolerate any activity that would be considered Illegal or Immoral, as a term of membership.

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    PFC Helms wrote:
    The Senior Staff and I were thinking we could use the Army Green Dress uniforms with red name tags and red flashes on the black beret, instead of black name tags and blue beret flashes. The main reason behind this decision is that the U.S. Army is phasing out the Service Green uniforms. For Utility uniforms were planning on using the Tru-spec Crye-Precision Multicam pattern uniforms. With tan boots, nametapes, and for a branch tape stating Kentucky. Then also have casual uniforms such as khaki slacks and a polo shirt with the name and emblem on it, and either the tan boots or tennis shoes. Also, an idea has came up to have the U.S. Flag on the Right shoulder and the Kentucky State Flag on the left shoulder of the Utility Uniforms.

    Another idea for the name that we are considering is the Kentucky State Defense Force. We have also decided that we are going to adopt a grooming standard to present a positive image to the public and it will be enforced while at both Unit meetings, and activities or any time members are in uniform. The SGM and I have been discussing that we will have a background check as part of the enlistment process. We are looking for a person that could perform S-1 duties in personnel administration. We will not tolerate any activity that would be considered Illegal or Immoral, as a term of membership.
    Personally, I would not show up at any public gathering in anything resembling a uniform. I would not want my public image to be tht of a para-military force. I would want it to be that of a service orgainization, but hey, this is your gig, not mine.

    One thing we do, is we go to the airport when a shipment of troops coming in from active duty comes in. If any of the troops don't have rides home, we don't let them call taxis, we take them in our POVs, even if it means driving across the state. All we ask in return is to walk them to their door (never in the door), and tell whoever greets them, "The Constitutinalist Party of Kentucky would like to thank you and your family for your service." Turn, and leave.

    Your non-profit info...





    http://www.sos.ky.gov/business/filings/nonprofit.htm







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    I think the really important thing is the education; too many people are just too ignorant about the Constitution and its exposition of our rights as Americans. In Pennsylvania we have a group called the Constitutional Organization Of Lebanon which is actually offering classes on the Constitution, from simple half-day sessions to in depth multi-week courses.

    I agree, regrettably, that the use of the word "militia" gives liberals and anti-gunners fits; the less paramilitary, the better.

    Having said that, I think the idea of having a volunteer group trained in defense of the state is a great idea and I wish we had something like that in PA.

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    Excellent ideas RE greeting troops at the airport; a well organized group would also be able to garner some good press.

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    So when is the lawsuit against congress, the national guard call up doesn't
    fall under any of the three powers to activate and send to Iraq.

    We arn't being invaded, (just attacked), no insurrection (except by left)
    and we arn't enforcing fed law over there. So by iwhat`authority is congress
    activating the troops?





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    SlackwareRobert wrote:
    So when is the lawsuit against congress, the national guard call up doesn't
    fall under any of the three powers to activate and send to Iraq.

    We arn't being invaded, (just attacked), no insurrection (except by left)
    and we arn't enforcing fed law over there. So by iwhat`authority is congress
    activating the troops?



    Actually, since the Department of Defense absorbed the state National Guards back in the '60's (when the individual states sold out their Guard in exchange for the feds paying the bills), the federal government can call up the Guard under orders of the Executive office.

    Regardless, a locally organized, civic-minded "militia" group is still a good idea.

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    Sam Adams wrote:
    Excellent ideas RE greeting troops at the airport; a well organized group would also be able to garner some good press.
    Thank you.

    I still say:

    1. Take "militia" out of your name.

    2. Don't wear uniforms in public.



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    superdemon wrote:
    Sam Adams wrote:
    Excellent ideas RE greeting troops at the airport; a well organized group would also be able to garner some good press.
    Thank you.

    I still say:

    1. Take "militia" out of your name.

    2. Don't wear uniforms in public.

    Yeah, I would have to agree.

    Offering training sessions ala NRA on firearm safety, hosting functions for families of deployed troops, holding weekend "training" sessions (proper techniques for drilling, etc.) are other options as well.

    Camo is okay for weekend internal functions but public events should either be suit and tie or, at the other extreme, jeans with t-shirts/sweatshirts with name and logo.

    Just a few thoughts...

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    I really like what I am hearing for the most part they are all good ideas and I really appreciate everyone who has contributed so far. We have a long way to go but I look forward to this being a large service-oriented group in the future.



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    Helms, Thomas S



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    Hey! I found a video clip of the Kentucky State Militia! http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f02_1212102508
    Quote Originally Posted by Open Carry.org Member View Post
    I really disgree with this one! That means that we can have any yahoo running around with a gun with out the proper training. This really scares the hell out of me. Just my two-cents!
    Quote Originally Posted by KansasMustang View Post
    Joe Schmedlap out there with a loaded weapon thinking he's going to deter crime and he's not even trained to fire his weapon safely just kinda makes my hair on the back of my neck stand up.

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    All I can say is WOW! If ever theree was a major PR blunder the militia folks, this takes top prize. Big hint- if you do not want to look like a bunch of wanna be commando rednecks, please do not wear a uniform! If you want to run around in the woods and play soldier, then join the military, do it away from the non shooting public eye, but for gods sake, do not show it on national TV if you want to be taken seriously or notgain the attention of the folks at BATF/Homeland Security.

    I really hate to see regular folks out there, who may not have an interest in firearms or shooting, look at all of us that do like to shoot, as knuckle dragging wackos. You may not represent this image, I sure do not, but it seems someout there can't help but fit into that mold. I am not judgingthose who do, I only ask that if thats your gig, great for you, but keep in mind the rest of us gun owners.

    WhenI go to the local range, be it for a competition or to try and introduce someone to the sport, I cringe when I see that guy at the range. This is the guy that has everything under the sun "Tactical" and is trying to come off as a sniper. He is dressed in fatigues, or black, talks about how he is/was/wants to be/knows a sniper or at least he read all the books. Now I have to explain to the person I brought that , no not all gun owners and shooters want to shoot people from 1000 yards away, not every gun with a scope or bi pod is a sniper rifle, if it's black and has a magazine does not mean it has to be used to "assault" things. I sorry if this offends some, but if we want to keep from having more and more restrictions placed on firearms ownership we have to change the public perception away from one of fear and misunderstanding. That we as gun owners and sportsmen, are responsible, law abiding regular people.

    Sorry for the rant


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    Excuse me but you sound like a sheeple, I can see where you might raise an eyebrow to someone walking into a Macys or sears store wearing tactical gear, (like whats going on in here), but why do you pass such harsh judgement on someone wearing any particular garb at a shooting range? would you pass the same judgement at a smokepole rendezvous where folks are dressed in period garb? would you pass the same judgement on a corporate CEO who liked wearing Denim jeans and a casual shirt with a Harley Davidson Logo on the front and back?

    These fellas might not have been 100% comfortable or prepared for Donahues gauntlet, but their message was very clear..

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