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The Psychology Of Word's / How To Train U 2 B Obediant

Orygunner

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SteveInAshand wrote:
I edited this post because I alone think its not productive.

Wow. I was reading that huge post, then went to quote it and it turned into one line.

I was going to suggest you consider shortening up your thoughts into 1 or 2 paragraphs instead of 2 or 3 scrolling pages of typing, but looks like you did even better than that.

I, for one, value differing opinions, and I think I get the point of your OP. However, to make it more interesting to discuss, you might think about putting smaller chunks of your thoughts out there instead of a novel at a time. Discussion is more fun if you don't try to do all the discussing right off the bat :)

...Yes, I too have a hard time slimming down my posts, but I try...
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Yes thank You, sorry but I do tend to just "let it fly" in a stream of consciousness type of mode.

And I am sorry for being so in your face "opinionated", but not sorry for my moral views, tin foil hat and all, lol.

Oh Springfield OR, hey didn't I see Your ID on the High Road, Saiga 12 or AR15 sites ?

Take care.

Bumper Sticker: Beware of the man who has only 1 gun, He is probably REAL good with it.
 

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sv_libertarian wrote:
marshaul wrote:
What do imaginary deities and bigoted ignorance directed towards gays have to do with gun rights?

What a useless post.
+10

I think the correct phrase is "foil slipped off".

There is useful information in that post, but it is buried in a load of rabid anger and possibly paranoia. What is most telling is the anger that the OP has towards people who use words and ideas repeated to advance a cause.

It's called.... drumroll please..... MARKETING!
It's called......Indoctrination. But who cares? Lets focus on the differing opinions of religion and homosexual rights....OH! And grammar.
 

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CLASS !!! "tap" "tap" "tap" come to order please.

( Teacher tapping a pencil on His desk )

Now, instead of dumping on Steve for lack of iambic pentameter, run on sentence structure, butchering 1st person, possessive pronoun and adjective possession
( You boy's in the back row pay attention ;) )


So, *sigh, Honorable war vet's, real men & women, boys girls, itinerant English teachers, and wandering dispossessed minstrels of high school level defamation, lonely shut in Republican bloggers, social misfits living in mountain cabin's, divorced and now full time cyber bloggers , Micheal Savage Nation, and you older Alzheimer's victims: welcome to my opinion.


Since this is the General Discussion section and I am the "OP" doing OC in OR with a CCP and test clean of any STD / VD and just got back from Micky D's in my BVD's , now back on my p.c not afraid to be non PC with a cup of green T,lol.

I shal resume my rant, this time "high brow"

I have taken the dual risk of being gramer <----- is that spelled right lol ) bashed.

Bashed for a stream of contemporaneous thoughts, secondary to spell check, and taken to task for any and everything I say that is non PC (homosexual gun toter's not withstanding )


NEW SUBJECT:

Risk # 3: Lets take a peek at how the 2nd Amendment can be used against You. if interpreted wrongly by anti's, and how does God fit into the 2nd Amendment.


The words "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,"

Contrary to the interpretations of the anti's, with a PHD on my side in this explanation does this constitute a present participle, rather than a clause.

:shock: whah huh ?



HELP DESK: It is used as an adjective, modifying "militia," which is followed by the main clause of the sentence (subject "the right," verb "shall"), and so the right to keep and bear arms is asserted as essential for maintaining a militia.

Right or Wrong ?

Pre Heller vs DC / SURVEY SAY'S: The sentence above does not restrict the right to keep and bear arms, nor does it state or imply possession of the right elsewhere or by others than the people; it simply makes a positive statement with respect to a right of the people.
:quirky dig that semi colon, it's a beauty lol.



GOD:
The right ( 2nd ) is not granted by the amendment standing alone; its existence / pre-existance is assumed.

The preexistnace is presumed to be there much as we hold this truth as all the others penned at the same time to be self evident , and as such our "Creator" (not sperm donor) has pronounced it/ them inalienable.

The thrust of the sentence is that the right shall be preserved inviolate (religious and sacrid) for the sake of ensuring a militia.


Ok Mr smarty pants Poindexter conservative gun nut tin foil hat wearing word smith-ie, so were is your well regulated militia pal ? :X


Glad You asked, so does a militia have to exist in order to keep & bear arm's ?

A: Like a null contract that does not bind one to the other, no such condition is expressed or implied.

The right to keep and bear arms is not said by the amendment to depend on the existence of a militia.

No condition is stated. No condition is implied as to the relation of the right to keep and bear arms and to the necessity of a well-regulated militia as requisite to the security of the people or of a free state.

The phrase " A well regulated Milita" means "subject to regulations of a superior authority" but not the government nor the authority or governance of said government. This is in direct accordance with the desire of the writers ( Founding Fathers) for civilian control over the military.

Some say that "well regulated" historically means "well equipped" to this I have no argument because if substituted it would still not deny the fact of the inalienability of the right to keep, bear and defend oneself with arm's, but enhance it to mean many & better arm's. ( Not to be confused with Regulators a historic southern militia.)

What say You, You in the back row shooing verbal spit wad's ????:cool:

Who Me :what:what huhhhh
 

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Alex has some very substantive information to ad the the understanding of the cause to keep our rights alive handed down to us.

Understanding the "ablative absolute ” is key to understanding the basic sentence structure as penned by this great man Mr Madison.

If its fuzzy , it should not be, read it as your common grounding in sense reads it absent all the intellectualism and it is "self evident".


As a TV commercial selling insurance says

"The 2nd Amendment, so simple even a liberal cavemen can understand it", lol.

I like this link You just posted Alex, thank You. ;)
 

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Hey. I like that concept.

Show a caveman, smiling,holding a club (or spear), and reading the 2nd Amendment.
"So easy to understand, even a caveman gets it!"

"Why don't these people?"
(displaying pics of Feinstein, Pelosi, Helmke, Obama, etc.)
"Because they don't trust you with your own freedom."

Don't have access to Photoshop at the moment, otherwise I'd do it.

...Orygunner...
 

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Ya I know I heard You the 1st time Mr Marx. ;)

Karl & Joe two slackers sitting around at the coffee shop one day reading a new book by a guy named Charlie.

preamble: We hold these truth's to be obvious to anyone with an analytical brain that read The Origin Of Species, that not every one is injected with the same quality sperm and thus not born equal, We who are invested with the will to dominate are our self evident of evolving mutation, selected procreation and thus the strongest shall have life over those weaker, we shall seize liberty, and derive happiness from power.

We do ordain that the masses are servants of the whole , that no one singularity is sacred , all shall serve the larger greater good, there is no other greater good but comradeship in unison, for the end is the means being paramount , any means necessary to secure the state. yada yada yada.




Whats the difference ebetween a socialist and a communist ?

The socialist does not know he is a communist, and he is afraid of the gun's he want's to take from , the communist knows he is a communist and is not afraid of the guns he wants to take from you.
 

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It never ceases to amaze me how some people will get all up in arms so to speak about government taking away their right to keep and bear arms, yet are all too happy to jump on the totalitarian bus when it comes to outlawing things they don't like.

Did it never occur to you that the power you give to government today to punish the "wickedness" of others might one day be used to punish YOU?
 

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Doug Huffman wrote:
I just yesterday picked-up Atlas Shrugged to re-read with my new eyes, renewed very much by y'all. Thank you.
I just started reading it the other day. I've meant to read it for years now, never got around to it until now.
 

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marshaul wrote:
Citizen wrote:
marshaul wrote:
Natural rights are not dependent upon belief in imaginary deities or other superstitious fantasies.

It's quite easy to, and plenty of people do, justify natural rights without an appeal to the irrational or the nonexistent.

The Objectivist Center: Natural Rights
Thanks for the link!
My favorite blogger just made a blog post about this very topic:

The Danger of God-Given Rights
Your classical liberal rights advocate ( atheist ) suffers from a symptom that is common to all atheists, He hates hypocrites.

He saw how psychotic Christians tent to be and thus threw out the baby with the bath water.

Atheists tend to be angry intellectuals who fall into there thinking, "thinking" they are enlightened by juxtaposition in context to heretical and apostate Christianity.

If men make morals rather than live them as God lives through them then we can vote to amend / change them, black people can once again become slaves, Jews back into the oven, *monkeys can partner with women ( *breaking news ), men can marry men, etc....

Man the law giver, NO, no man or chamber of men should ever assume there is nothing over them to keep them from voting you or I to be the next Jew and thus mute or out of existence.

If we all have "inalienable" rights it suffers the indignity of a God over the mind or votes of man to modify , to resend or decend them to the level of human democracy.
 

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SteveInAshand wrote:
If men make morals rather than live them as God lives through them then we can vote to amend / change them, black people can once again become slaves, Jews back into the oven, *monkeys can partner with women ( *breaking news ), men can marry men, etc....


Morals do not have to come from a "god" to be obsolute and the fact thatright and wrongdoes not come from a "god" does not make them any moreamendable. Take an intro level ethics class, it'll blow your mind.



Way to bring this back from the dead too, btw.
 

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Slayer of Paper wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how some people will get all up in arms so to speak about government taking away their right to keep and bear arms, yet are all too happy to jump on the totalitarian bus when it comes to outlawing things they don't like.

Did it never occur to you that the power you give to government today to punish the "wickedness" of others might one day be used to punish YOU?
BINGO! That is so true, and for the life of me, I do not understand why people can't see this. It is veryeasy to deny someone of their rights if they are the perceived "bad guy". I don't think people realize they are just one allegation away from someone else labeling them as the "bad guy".
 

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Armed wrote:
Slayer of Paper wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how some people will get all up in arms so to speak about government taking away their right to keep and bear arms, yet are all too happy to jump on the totalitarian bus when it comes to outlawing things they don't like.

Did it never occur to you that the power you give to government today to punish the "wickedness" of others might one day be used to punish YOU?
BINGO! That is so true, and for the life of me, I do not understand why people can't see this. It is veryeasy to deny someone of their rights if they are the perceived "bad guy". I don't think people realize they are just one allegation away from someone else labeling them as the "bad guy".
Pardon moi, guys. But this is a bit jejune. And keep in mind the "totalitarian bus" has run over my toes a couple times. I don't like people who con oldsters out of money or kids out of their pants. And one allegation of either toward me would certainly label me a "bad guy" Does this mean I am merely being "judgmental??

Common sense is a valuable commodity. And like any ither commodity, its vaue lies in its scarceness.
 
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