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Online Petition to Repeal the Virginia Restaurant Ban on Concealed Carry
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Xd Fan
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I'm #154
I'm #154
sccrref
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Grapeshot wrote:
Grapeshot wrote:
Hooked on phonics. It worked for me..Done - 131 and counting.
Cannot read current signatures.
Yata hey
Bullbuster
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I'm #2342 and the wife is #2343. Will be sending this on to as many VA gun owners asI know.
I'm #2342 and the wife is #2343. Will be sending this on to as many VA gun owners asI know.
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Looks like this years proposed legislation (HB1821) is essentially the same as last years in that it retains the prohibition on consumption of alcohol as well as the notification provision to restaurant staff.
Hardly ideal but perhaps better than the current situation.
Looks like this years proposed legislation (HB1821) is essentially the same as last years in that it retains the prohibition on consumption of alcohol as well as the notification provision to restaurant staff.
Hardly ideal but perhaps better than the current situation.
Custom Volusia
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Done. #2725!!!
Done. #2725!!!
saluney
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Round Fired ! :lol:
Round Fired ! :lol:
Spectre
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Signed #2885
Signed #2885
Smurfologist
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brokerbh wrote:
I agree with the first bold statement in the Bill; I disagree with the second bold statement in the Bill. It is what it is; it is definitely better than what we have now. Maybe the Bill can be amended later if it passes (smile).
2nd Amendment........Use it........Or, lose it!!:X
brokerbh wrote:
I agree with the first bold statement in the Bill; I disagree with the second bold statement in the Bill. It is what it is; it is definitely better than what we have now. Maybe the Bill can be amended later if it passes (smile).
2nd Amendment........Use it........Or, lose it!!:X
2a4all
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Mrs. 2A4ALL & I both signed.
But, if I carry openly, do I get to drink?
Mrs. 2A4ALL & I both signed.
But, if I carry openly, do I get to drink?
Smurfologist
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2a4all wrote:
It is my understanding that if you OC, and, you have an active CCW, you can't drink (anyone out there please correct me and site the law if I am wrong).
2nd Amendment.......Use it.......Or, lose it!!:X
2a4all wrote:
It is my understanding that if you OC, and, you have an active CCW, you can't drink (anyone out there please correct me and site the law if I am wrong).
2nd Amendment.......Use it.......Or, lose it!!:X
Mike
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Smurfologist wrote:
Having a Virginia CHP has nothing to do with it - there is no law against drinking alcohol while carrying a gun in Virginia, openly, or concealed. But see 18.2-308(J1) making is a Class 1 misdemeanor to be, inter alia, publicly intoxicated while carrying concealed.
Smurfologist wrote:
active CCW = ?
Having a Virginia CHP has nothing to do with it - there is no law against drinking alcohol while carrying a gun in Virginia, openly, or concealed. But see 18.2-308(J1) making is a Class 1 misdemeanor to be, inter alia, publicly intoxicated while carrying concealed.
FMCDH
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Mike wrote:
It disturbs me a bit how many pro2a people are always on the look out for an excuse or loophole to go drinking with their gun on. (sigh)
Mind you, I hold a distinct difference between having a drink, and "going drinking".
Mike wrote:
When carrying a firearm, just don't drink. If not for yourself, then for the image of the cause. ESPECIALLY if you are OCing.
It disturbs me a bit how many pro2a people are always on the look out for an excuse or loophole to go drinking with their gun on. (sigh)
Mind you, I hold a distinct difference between having a drink, and "going drinking".
Smurfologist
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Mike wrote:
Mike,
By active CCW, I meant that one had a CCW that was not expired (I did not know if 2a4all ever had a CCW or not).
I stand corrected. I will assume by your post that you can (indeed) OC or CC while drinking alcohol legally. However, if you are OCing and intoxicated, you are not violatingstated law; if you are in the said state and are CCing, you are in violation of stated law, right? If the police see you drinking alcohol while OCing at, let's say, Chipotle Mexican Restaurant, you leave and start CCing, will the police have "probable cause" to check to see if you are (in fact) intoxicated (just curious)?
2nd Amendment......Use it......Or, lose it!!:X
Mike wrote:
Mike,
By active CCW, I meant that one had a CCW that was not expired (I did not know if 2a4all ever had a CCW or not).
I stand corrected. I will assume by your post that you can (indeed) OC or CC while drinking alcohol legally. However, if you are OCing and intoxicated, you are not violatingstated law; if you are in the said state and are CCing, you are in violation of stated law, right? If the police see you drinking alcohol while OCing at, let's say, Chipotle Mexican Restaurant, you leave and start CCing, will the police have "probable cause" to check to see if you are (in fact) intoxicated (just curious)?
2nd Amendment......Use it......Or, lose it!!:X
Smurfologist
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FMCDH wrote:
I want to be clear about this: I do not drink alcohol when I OC or CC (call me paranoid). However, I will not condemn anyone that does, as long as they are not doing something that is against the law (I hope this came across the right way).
2nd Amendment......Use it.......Or, lose it!!:X
FMCDH wrote:
I want to be clear about this: I do not drink alcohol when I OC or CC (call me paranoid). However, I will not condemn anyone that does, as long as they are not doing something that is against the law (I hope this came across the right way).
2nd Amendment......Use it.......Or, lose it!!:X
Mike
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Smurfologist wrote:
Public intoxication ("PI") is unlawful even in a restaurant as a class 4 misdemeanor. In my personal opinion, and without spending hours searching for cases, merely drinking alcohol would not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion to conduct an investigative seizure of a person, but the police may investigate and conduct a copnsensual encounter. PI requires no BAC evidence nor is anyone (who is not a driver of a vehicle) required to submit to BAC checks on police demand.
Take a look at 18.2-308(J1).
Smurfologist wrote:
I was suggesting the term CCW makes no sense - one of my little quirks - I think it helps to speak plainly and correctly on gun rights issues as so many people have no idea what we are talking abour.
Public intoxication ("PI") is unlawful even in a restaurant as a class 4 misdemeanor. In my personal opinion, and without spending hours searching for cases, merely drinking alcohol would not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion to conduct an investigative seizure of a person, but the police may investigate and conduct a copnsensual encounter. PI requires no BAC evidence nor is anyone (who is not a driver of a vehicle) required to submit to BAC checks on police demand.
Take a look at 18.2-308(J1).
Citizen
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Mike wrote:
My police encounter strategy revolves around:
Fourth Amendment jurisprudence recognizes three categories of police-citizen confrontations, including the following: "(1) consensual encounters, (2) brief, minimally intrusive investigatory detentions, based upon specific, articulable facts, commonly referred to as Terry stops, and (3) highly intrusive arrests and searches founded on probable cause." Wechsler v. Commonwealth, 20 Va. App. 162, 169, 455 S.E.2d 744, 747 (1995)
I don't see no "copnsensual" encountersmentioned in Wechsler.
I slave and slave to learn the law, and here comes Mike making up a new type of encounter. Jeez.
PS: I'll leave it to other wags to figure out what a copnsensual encounter might be.
Mike wrote:
Dammit!! Will you stop making new case law?
My police encounter strategy revolves around:
Fourth Amendment jurisprudence recognizes three categories of police-citizen confrontations, including the following: "(1) consensual encounters, (2) brief, minimally intrusive investigatory detentions, based upon specific, articulable facts, commonly referred to as Terry stops, and (3) highly intrusive arrests and searches founded on probable cause." Wechsler v. Commonwealth, 20 Va. App. 162, 169, 455 S.E.2d 744, 747 (1995)
I don't see no "copnsensual" encountersmentioned in Wechsler.
I slave and slave to learn the law, and here comes Mike making up a new type of encounter. Jeez.
PS: I'll leave it to other wags to figure out what a copnsensual encounter might be.
JoeSparky
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Citizen wrote:
Citizen wrote:
I understand that this is a "FAMILY" rated forum so.... I am at a loss to what a "COPNSENSUAL" encounter might be for THIS FORUM!!!:lol::lol:Mike wrote:Dammit!! Will you stop making new case law?
My police encounter strategy revolves around:
Fourth Amendment jurisprudence recognizes three categories of police-citizen confrontations, including the following: "(1) consensual encounters, (2) brief, minimally intrusive investigatory detentions, based upon specific, articulable facts, commonly referred to as Terry stops, and (3) highly intrusive arrests and searches founded on probable cause." Wechsler v. Commonwealth, 20 Va. App. 162, 169, 455 S.E.2d 744, 747 (1995)
I don't see no "copnsensual" encountersmentioned in Wechsler.
I slave and slave to learn the law, and here comes Mike making up a new type of encounter. Jeez.
PS: I'll leave it to other wags to figure out what a copnsensual encounter might be.
2a4all
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2a4all wrote:
The question (if the CC in restaurants bill passes as proposed) is: If one CCs in an alcohol-serving restaurant, one can't consume alcohol. However, if one chooses to OC instead, may one choose to imbibe?
What happens if one enters while CCing and informs the designated employee, but then later decides to switch to OC? Will it be legal for the establishment serve him/her?
What about the reverse? If one enters OCing, has a drink, then later switches to CC (puts on a jacket or sweater because it's chilly), must (s)he then inform the designated employee of the new status, and not drink further?
Is any burden placed on the establishment?
Clearly, carrying is part of the equation. If a CHP holder leaves his/her firearm at home before going out, surely none of this applies.
2a4all wrote:
Let me clarify.
The question (if the CC in restaurants bill passes as proposed) is: If one CCs in an alcohol-serving restaurant, one can't consume alcohol. However, if one chooses to OC instead, may one choose to imbibe?
What happens if one enters while CCing and informs the designated employee, but then later decides to switch to OC? Will it be legal for the establishment serve him/her?
What about the reverse? If one enters OCing, has a drink, then later switches to CC (puts on a jacket or sweater because it's chilly), must (s)he then inform the designated employee of the new status, and not drink further?
Is any burden placed on the establishment?
Clearly, carrying is part of the equation. If a CHP holder leaves his/her firearm at home before going out, surely none of this applies.