Hooked on phonics. It worked for me..Done - 131 and counting.
Cannot read current signatures.
Yata hey
Looks like this years proposed legislation (HB1821) is essentially the same as last years in that it retains the prohibition on consumption of alcohol as well as the notification provision to restaurant staff.
Hardly ideal but perhaps better than the current situation.
Mrs. 2A4ALL & I both signed.
But, if I carry openly, do I get to drink?
active CCW = ?2a4all wrote:It is my understanding that if you OC, and, you have an active CCW, you can't drinkMrs. 2A4ALL & I both signed.
But, if I carry openly, do I get to drink?
When carrying a firearm, just don't drink. If not for yourself, then for the image of the cause. ESPECIALLY if you are OCing.
Having a Virginia CHP has nothing to do with it - there is no law against drinking alcohol while carrying a gun in Virginia, openly, or concealed. But see 18.2-308(J1) making is a Class 1 misdemeanor to be, inter alia, publicly intoxicated while carrying concealed.
Smurfologist wrote:active CCW = ?2a4all wrote:It is my understanding that if you OC, and, you have an active CCW, you can't drinkMrs. 2A4ALL & I both signed.
But, if I carry openly, do I get to drink?
Having a Virginia CHP has nothing to do with it - there is no law against drinking alcohol while carrying a gun in Virginia, openly, or concealed. But see 18.2-308(J1) making is a Class 1 misdemeanor to be, inter alia, publicly intoxicated while carrying concealed.
Mike wrote:When carrying a firearm, just don't drink. If not for yourself, then for the image of the cause. ESPECIALLY if you are OCing.
Having a Virginia CHP has nothing to do with it - there is no law against drinking alcohol while carrying a gun in Virginia, openly, or concealed. But see 18.2-308(J1) making is a Class 1 misdemeanor to be, inter alia, publicly intoxicated while carrying concealed.
It disturbs me a bit how many pro2a people are always on the look out for an excuse or loophole to go drinking with their gun on. (sigh)
Mind you, I hold a distinct difference between having a drink, and "going drinking".
I was suggesting the term CCW makes no sense - one of my little quirks - I think it helps to speak plainly and correctly on gun rights issues as so many people have no idea what we are talking abour.By active CCW, I meant that one had a CCW that was not expired (I did not know if 2a4all ever had a CCW or not).
I stand corrected. I will assume by your post that you can (indeed) OC or CC while drinking alcohol legally. However, if you are OCing and intoxicated, you are not violatingstated law; if you are in the said state and are CCing, you are in violation of stated law, right? If the police see you drinking alcohol while OCing at, let's say, Chipotle Mexican Restaurant, you leave and start CCing, will the police have "probable cause" to check to see if you are (in fact) intoxicated (just curious)?
Dammit!! Will you stop making new case law?SNIP but the police may investigate and conduct a copnsensual encounter.
I understand that this is a "FAMILY" rated forum so.... I am at a loss to what a "COPNSENSUAL" encounter might be for THIS FORUM!!!:lol::lol:Mike wrote:Dammit!! Will you stop making new case law?SNIP but the police may investigate and conduct a copnsensual encounter.
My police encounter strategy revolves around:
Fourth Amendment jurisprudence recognizes three categories of police-citizen confrontations, including the following: "(1) consensual encounters, (2) brief, minimally intrusive investigatory detentions, based upon specific, articulable facts, commonly referred to as Terry stops, and (3) highly intrusive arrests and searches founded on probable cause." Wechsler v. Commonwealth, 20 Va. App. 162, 169, 455 S.E.2d 744, 747 (1995)
I don't see no "copnsensual" encountersmentioned in Wechsler.
I slave and slave to learn the law, and here comes Mike making up a new type of encounter. Jeez.
PS: I'll leave it to other wags to figure out what a copnsensual encounter might be.
Let me clarify.Mrs. 2A4ALL & I both signed.
But, if I carry openly, do I get to drink?