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    Found this Post on A local Jeep Site, Please Don't Flame or harass the Poster, as I believe the intent of the post was information only. But I think that it's important that everyone see the kind of information that is passed around.

    I referred anyone reading the thread to visit this site for more information.

    Also, Been reading this site for a long time, this is my first thread/post.

    Thanks for all the great info, I am Proud to be An Opencarry.org Member.

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    http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=40922



    3. IF YOU CAN RUN AWAY SAFELY- RUN!

    Just because you are armed doesn't necessarily mean that you must confront a bad guy at gunpoint. Develop your situation awareness skills so that you can be alert to detect and avoid trouble as much as possible. Keep in mind that if you successfully evade a potential confrontation, the single negative consequence involved might only be your bruised ego, which should heal quickly with mature rationalization. But if you force a confrontation, and it escalates into deadly force, you risk the possibility of death or serious injury to yourself and any friends, family members, or innocent bystanders that may be present.

    Also you face the possibility of criminal liability and/or financial ruin from a civil lawsuit as a result of your actions. Flee if you can - fight only as a last resort.

    Naturally, there are circumstances in which you may be able to flee but it would not be in your best interest or judgment to do so. For example, a situation that you could easily flee from when alone may be difficult to safely avoid if your family was with you. Also it may be a judgment/ethics call on whether or not to fight or flee based on what is happening to potential victims around you.

    For example, a gunman may be threatening the life of someone else and not even notice you. If you leave the scene, and go call 911 and just wait for the police to show up, you may have to deal with guilt and emotional issues that result if the gunman kills someone. In contrast, if you intervene, then you may risk your own life. Remember that self-preservation, and keeping your loved ones safe should be your first priorities. Always remember to stay calm and quickly analyze the situation at hand. Use good judgment on how you will react to any given circumstance.


    4. DISPLAY YOUR WEAPON, GO TO JAIL.

    You should expect to be arrested by police at gunpoint, and be charged with a crime anytime your concealed handgun is seen by another citizen in public, regardless of how unintentional, innocent, or justified the situation might seem.

    Choose a method of carry that reliably keeps your gun hidden from public view at all times. You have no control over how a stranger will react to seeing (or learning about) your concealed weapon. He of she might become alarmed and report you as a "man or woman with a gun". Depending on his or her feelings about firearms, this person might maliciously embellish their story in an attempt to have your gun seized by police or in order to get you arrested. Even though your jacket only blew open for a moment, giving a brief glimpse of your gun, that person may tell the police that you were waving it around like a homicidal maniac. An alarmed citizen who reports a "man or woman with a gun" is going to be a lot more credible to police than you are when you are stopped because you match the "suspect's" description and you are found to have a concealed handgun in your possession. Before you deliberately expose your gun in public, ask yourself "is this worth going to jail for?" The only time this question should warrant a "yes" response is when an adversary has at least both the ABILITY and INTENT and is actively seeking the OPPORTUNITY to do you great harm.

    Also, remember that proper concealment of a weapon is more than just covering it up so that it is not physically visible. You want to remove as much as possible any signs that you are armed. For example, you would not wear a tight T-shirt that shows the lines of your gun printing through it, especially if that T-shirt has a firearm related logo or statement on it. Also, a black nylon fanny-pack or a photographer's vest may, in certain areas or in certain modes of dress tell any half-educated person that you are packing a gun. It is also not usually a very good idea to let too many people know that you carry a gun. This fact should be limited to your immediate family and select friends who are "gun people" also. Please, for your sake and the sake of others around you - be discreet!

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    Ah yes... please don't offend the sheeple. They can & will bleat noisily.

    That's the neat part of the 1st Amendment. While it guarantees the right to expression, it does NOT guarantee the right to NOT be offended.

    So if me exercising my rights offends some, tough. I don't have to agree with what they say, but I'll do everything in my power to ensure they have the right to say it.

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    I agree with the first section. A firearm is NOT your first resort. Get out of trouble if you can.



    As for the second section, depends on the state he resides in. I can certainly see that happening. For example, in TX you cannot have the gun print or get exposed in any way. NC IIRC also has a 'brandishing' clause if the gun gets exposed.



    Now just about all the poster's points will be invalid in states like KY, AK, Utah etc.

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    1. i do my best to not offend people.. but i am also blunt, and will excerise my rights as i see fit.

    2. when you boil things down, i have 2 main goals.. not to be the victim of a violent crime.. and not to shoot anyone.

    3. my goal of not being a victim, takes priority over the goal of not shooting anyone.

    4. i openly accept all punishments if i fail to conduct myself, and use my weapon in a manner that would be legal.

    QUOTE "Choose a method of carry that reliably keeps your gun hidden from public view at all times. You have no control over how a stranger will react to seeing (or learning about) your concealed weapon. He of she might become alarmed and report you as a "man or woman with a gun".

    in a state where open carry is legal, this type of complaint wont even be addressed by police. carry how you see fit, OC or CC. weither they "embellish" the story or not, if OC is legal, it doesnt matter.

    QUOTE "Even though your jacket only blew open for a moment, giving a brief glimpse of your gun, that person may tell the police that you were waving it around like a homicidal maniac."

    this will be easy for the police to figure out. if you are wearing a jacket that allows the wind to reviel your CC, you fail. having a concealed weapon in your possession does not make you guilty of anything if you have a permit for it.

    QUOTE "Before you deliberately expose your gun in public, ask yourself "is this worth going to jail for?" The only time this question should warrant a "yes" response is when an adversary has at least both the ABILITY and INTENT and is actively seeking the OPPORTUNITY to do you great harm."

    if you are CC, you have only seconds to consider the draw/no draw option.. and the difference is life/death, or robbed/not robbed. if you accept the responsability of carrying a weapon, you should also accept the consequences of drawing said weapon.

    i will still stand by, and defend, that OC, in these examples, solves alot of the "what if" problems.

    sorry for the long reply..



    cheers.

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    chris in va wrote:
    I agree with the first section. A firearm is NOT your first resort. Get out of trouble if you can.



    True! nothing wrong with beating a hasty retreat. Firearms are a last resort measure in defense of one's life, or the life of another.

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    You Will Be Upset When You Read This.
    I'm not upset. The man has a right to is opinion. There's no reason to get upset about someone publishing their opinion, right or wrong. He makes some good points.

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    chris in va wrote:
    NC IIRC also has a 'brandishing' clause if the gun gets exposed.
    Actually we don't. There is no Statute that comes even remotely close to making open carry illegal. You may be unintentionally referring to an old common law referred to as "going armed to the terror of the people", but that has nothing to do with open carry, either. It specifically references terrorizing people on public highways with an unusual and dangerous weapon.

    Anyway, this guy may very well not even know what open carry is, and I wouldn't be surprised if, like others have said, he lives in a State where you must do exactly what he described.

    There's a whole lot of mole hills around here with misleading labels...

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