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    After delays, Frederick trial jury selection begins



    By Tim McGlone
    The Virginian-Pilot
    © January 20, 2009
    The trial of Ryan Frederick, charged with killing a detective during a drug raid, got off to a slow start this morning and then was postponed for two hours because of the inauguration.

    Frederick, 29, made a brief appearance and was arraigned by Circuit Court Judge Marjorie T. Arrington. He pleaded not guilty to murder, firearm possession and manufacturing marijuana charges and then was led out of the courtroom as the attorneys had a private conference with the judge.

    Prosecutors and defense attorneys had begun reviewing jurors’ questionnaires before Arrington called a two-hour recess. Jurors were watching the inauguration ceremonies in an adjacent room.

    Jury selection will continue at 1:30 p.m.
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    This will be high visibility. You can use this Google news link to keep up with newly posted news stories:

    http://www.google.com/news?q=%22Ryan...&scoring=n

    (It's ugly, but it works...)

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    Pay Me Now have you been interviewed for the jury?
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    My son is still in the jury pool. He said they were kicking out lots of people from the pool. He cannot use the internet right now becase this is now a "case" and they are not allowed to discuss the "case" or go online to discuss it. He said it was OK to answer no to the lawyer questions about internet discussions about the shooting, because he didn't think it was a case until they got to court. Not sure what he means, but it sure is strange. Anyways, hopefully he willbe onthe jury. He is very smart and will make sure that there is justice.

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    The Defense has requested a mistrial. What are the particulars and does anyone think the Judge will honor the request?

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    http://hamptonroads.com/2009/01/pros...ere-his-door-0


    Ryan Frederick was “stoned out of his mind” and “in an angry, blind rage” when he killed a Chesapeake detective during a drug raid a year ago and later told a jail inmate that if he had more ammunition, “he would have taken them all down,” a prosecutor told jurors Wednesday.

    “He’s over there” in jail “bragging about it. He thinks he’s going to beat this charge,” James Willett, one of three prosecutors, told the jury during opening statements.

    Frederick’s attorney later disputed the scenario, telling the jury there was no evidence Frederick was stoned and that he thought he was protecting himself and his home from intruders.
    I would ask for a mistrial I-ANAL over this opening statement.

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    Here's praying for PayMeNow.

    ETA: Oh, and even more so Ryan, of course.

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    Audio taken IN the house after the break-in and shooting and the station hours later.

    This is NOT a guilty man.

    Everyone should remember to **** and ask for your lawyer! YOU CANNOT HELP YOURSELF IN THAT SITUATION!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.reason.com/blog/show/131383.html

    Listen to the end of the 1st one. PD basically says that if someone kicks in your door and is unarmed you should just give them what they want.

    Stunning stuff. Very sad day. Hopefully his attorney will rip them a new one

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    Ric in Richmond wrote:
    Audio taken IN the house after the break-in and shooting and the station hours later.

    This is NOT a guilty man.

    Everyone should remember to **** and ask for your lawyer! YOU CANNOT HELP YOURSELF IN THAT SITUATION!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.reason.com/blog/show/131383.html

    Listen to the end of the 1st one. PD basically says that if someone kicks in your door and is unarmed you should just give them what they want.

    Stunning stuff. Very sad day. Hopefully his attorney will rip them a new one
    Thanks for the update!!
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    Wow, what a moving interrogation. No wonder the prosecution tried to keep it out of the trial.

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    Ric in Richmond wrote:
    PD basically says that if someone kicks in your door and is unarmed you should just give them what they want.
    Virginia is without a castle doctrine. If the intruder is not a clear threat to your life or safety, what are you legally allowed to do, besides call the police?

    Scenario: You are awakened in the middle of the night by noises downstairs. You grab your favorite gun off the night stand, and make your way down the stairs, to see a guy prying your 52" flat screen off the wall. You say "What in the heck are you doing?" He says "I'm taking your TV". You can't shoot him. You can order him to stop and get on the floor, but as long as he does not make any threatening moves toward you, you are not legally allowed to harm him, as far as I understand.

    If he continues his work and walks away from you out the front door or window, what can you legally do?

    This is a serious question.

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    TFred wrote:
    Ric in Richmond wrote:
    PD basically says that if someone kicks in your door and is unarmed you should just give them what they want.
    Virginia is without a castle doctrine. If the intruder is not a clear threat to your life or safety, what are you legally allowed to do, besides call the police?

    Scenario: You are awakened in the middle of the night by noises downstairs. You grab your favorite gun off the night stand, and make your way down the stairs, to see a guy prying your 52" flat screen off the wall. You say "What in the heck are you doing?" He says "I'm taking your TV". You can't shoot him. You can order him to stop and get on the floor, but as long as he does not make any threatening moves toward you, you are not legally allowed to harm him, as far as I understand.

    If he continues his work and walks away from you out the front door or window, what can you legally do?

    This is a serious question.

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    well first of all I wouldnt let him leave with my tv id yank his arse out of that window or door hit a double leg takedown pass to full mount and rain down elbows on him till he is unconcious and explain to officers he swung at me and said he was going to kill me. his priors on his recordwould conformwith those staements whereas my clean non exsistant record speaks for my side of the story. No man has a right to steal what I have worked for with my blood,sweat, and tears and no man has the right to make my family feel they are not safe within their one sanctuary known as home.

    I forget the saying but its something like I wont be wronged, I wont be treated unjust, and i wont be layed a hand on, because i dont do this to anyone else or something like that by john wayne

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    TFred wrote:
    SNIP This is a serious question.
    Its not like I've read all the Castle Doctrine statutes in the USA. But I have a vague recollectionthat they sometimesmakereference to "reasonable fear ofbodily harm."

    Castle Doctrine isn'tnecessarily the magic genieit might seem to be.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    MirkoCrocop wrote:
    ...SNIP
    I forget the saying but its something like I wont be wronged, I wont be treated unjust, and i wont be layed a hand on, because i dont do this to anyone else or something like that by john wayne
    "I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them. " (John Wayne as John Bernard Books in "The Shootist")
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    Citizen wrote:
    Its not like I've read all the Castle Doctrine statutes in the USA. But I have a vague recollectionthat they sometimesmakereference to "reasonable fear ofbodily harm."

    Castle Doctrine isn'tnecessarily the magic genieit might seem to be.
    A thief in the night is notorious for doing evil and harm and he is not in your house, if not 'castle', to offer a full body massage. Just like a carjacker, they're not well-wishers.

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    I guess my point is, if you catch a guy in the act of walking toward your front door with your TV on his shoulder, you really aren't legally in a position to shoot him, which amounts to pretty much what the LEO told Frederick.

    Not saying I think this is right, I was just looking for someone to provide a legally based rebuttal. If you shot him just because he was in your house uninvited in the middle of the night, perhaps you could get away with it, but it doesn't seem the law supports it.

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    The four elements of common law self-defense are; be innocent of instigation, reasonably fear bodily harm, use sufficient force only to deliver oneself from evil and attempt to withdraw.

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    The jury trial is one of the few remaining ways that the people have in their limited legal arsenal to speak out against bad policy or displacement of proper civil liberty.

    A "good" jury in this case will exonerate Mr. Frederick, disavowing any information that comes after "Unknown assailant in my house".

    Sorry about your luck, Mr. Policeman. The government needs to get out of the business of writing bad laws and telling people what they can and can't put in their bodies...
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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    The four elements of common law self-defense are; be innocent of instigation, reasonably fear bodily harm, use sufficient force only to deliver oneself from evil and attempt to withdraw.
    Safety first - keep your groups tight.
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    Tight groups is gun control.

    Safety is the tyrant's tool because no one can be against safety. It is also the first act of security theater, including the National Security Theater that is the Department of Homeland Severity.

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    Ric in Richmond wrote:
    Everyone should remember to **** and ask for your lawyer! YOU CANNOT HELP YOURSELF IN THAT SITUATION!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.reason.com/blog/show/131383.html
    Should be required viewing for getting a CHL - how you may react to a SD shooting. Granted, Ryan would have been under a lot more stress since he knew he'd be facing some serious charges, and potentially the death penalty, at that point.
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    I sent a request to the governor to pardon Ryan if the jury does not acquit him.

    If a man should have to stop and see who is invading his home before he defends himself, he will most-surely find himself shortly dead.

    I feel for the family of the officer who was enforcing an unconstitutional law backed by a poor informant system and bad policy, but that's no reason to punish this man for defend HIS SOVEREIGN AND INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY.

    I guarantee that if it happened at my house, there would have been more casualties... my gun doesn't "lock up".
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    According to Ch13 news, the jury will get the case tomorrow morning (2/3/2009). The judge has allowed the jury to convict on lesser charges, from capital murder down to involuntary manslaughter.
    § 18.2-36. How involuntary manslaughter punished.

    Involuntary manslaughter is punishable as a Class 5 felony.
    § 18.2-10. Punishment for conviction of felony; penalty.(e) For Class 5 felonies, a term of imprisonment of not less than one year nor more than 10 years, or in the discretion of the jury or the court trying the case without a jury, confinement in jail for not more than 12 months and a fine of not more than $2,500, either or both.
    Perhaps Ryan Frederick will get justice. But justice for Det Shivers won't happen until the Chesapeake PD is also tried and convicted.
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    Holy Fu*king sh*t. You've got to be kidding me. Until someone is "through" your door you cannot be shooting at him.......

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    Neplusultra wrote:
    Holy Fu*king sh*t. You've got to be kidding me. Until someone is "through" your door you cannot be shooting at him.......
    I disagree.

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