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    I was at the local bar eating,drinking beer and playing pool. Ive been there maybe 30 time since it has opened, and always carried my gun in concealed. The bar has no Gun Prohibited sticker nowhere and Indiana you can carry in a bar. I was playing pool at the time was on my 3rd game, apparently the cook seen my gun went i was bent over for a shot. So he told the manager or whoever which was a women, she came over to me and asked if i had a gun..... I said yes. I have a permit is there a problem? She asked to see my permit, i show it to her i said there is no sticker on the door that says no guns aloud. She really didnt have anything to say, she took it to the show somebody them came out and asked if i could put it in my car. I said sure no problem real nice, I left it at that I got there number so i can call the owner. What should I do??? this is the first time i was asked to put my gun away


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    find another place to patronize

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    Don't allow your permit out of your control - or your gun.

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    Like RMS says: Find another place to shoot pool.

    1. And as Doug alludes to: Why would you even *think* of showing your permit to anyone other than a cop upon request? That's your personal info on the pink card. At the most, a simple yes or no should be sufficient. Beyond that it's time to move on if folks are upset.

    2. They are not afraid of the gun, they are 'afraid' of you. They may raise a ruckus about the gun, but it'sthe carrierthat concerns them. No offense, that's the psychology involved. Folks like that see a firearm and immediately think the worst. And that 'worst' impunes your character as a law abiding citizen. Would the owner rather an unlicensed, unvetted individual be in their establishment or someone like you, a law abiding citizen?

    3. If someone asks you to leave your sidearm in the car in front of several folks, that's a real risk if you actually do it. First the gun is unattended in the car (unless of course you have a highly secure, lockedstorage area)and it is still your responsibility. Second, they KNOW you are disarmed. All bad as there are poor fieldcraft issues here.

    4. If you're going to carry concealed, do a better job. You know this now I suspect, but you did ask.

    5. Consider returning to the establishment and letting the owner know, politely,that while it is their perogative,unless he/she allows law abiding citizens like you to carry a firearm, you and your friends will vote with their wallet. Don't argue. Just *politely* discuss. You might convert the owner. If you get a negative response, justleave and don't go back.

    6. In the future, if you are in an establishment that serves alcohol, and you are carrying, put yourself 'on the wagon'. If you need to respond to a defensive situation, you'll have all your mental acuity, coordination and if a cop gets the least bit involved you'll have much more credibility if you have not been consuming adult beverages. Firearms and adult beverages don't mix. If you plan on consuming adult beverages, leave the sidearm at home in the safe.

    You asked...

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    ^ I respect that, I guess ill have a talk with the owner and see what they have to say. And next time if this happens ill make sure i wont let my permit leave my hands, or leave my gun in the car. I guess ill try to convert the owner LOL

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    Guns + alcohol.... hmmm

    Forget the car, leave it at home if you're drinking.

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    not everyone gets emotional or stupid with a firearm when drinking. personally there is no limit for how much i can drink that would make me forget that i would go to jail and forever live with the guilt of killing someone while intoxicated. but then again having a firearm on me would also be in the back of my mind which would limit me to 1 or 2 for the night

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    Does your state prohibit carry in places where alcohol is consumed? If so, they don't need a sign.

    Alcohol and firearms can be a volatile mixture, even among the most level headed and well meaning. I'm against it, m'self.

    I very much respect the right to carry. Had it been my establishment I would have offered options: put it in the car, hand it over to your designated driver friend, switch to soda, or leave.

    You may find a bar owner that permits their patrons to carry while consuming, but frankly I wouldn't personally want to patronize that bar. Please post the name if you find one.


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    Pamiam wrote:
    Does your state prohibit carry in places where alcohol is consumed? If so, they don't need a sign.

    Alcohol and firearms can be a volatile mixture, even among the most level headed and well meaning. I'm against it, m'self.

    I very much respect the right to carry. Had it been my establishment I would have offered options: put it in the car, hand it over to your designated driver friend, switch to soda, or leave.

    You may find a bar owner that permits their patrons to carry while consuming, but frankly I wouldn't personally want to patronize that bar. Please post the name if you find one.
    It's right there in the Original Post: "The bar has no Gun Prohibited sticker nowhere and Indiana you can carry in a bar."

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    i drink and carry... well every time i drink since i carry always.

    but then again, i have several years of training, and several years of experience...

    i wouldn't recommend it to civilians, but as you all know heroes like me are highly trained and responsible


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    i drink and carry... well every time i drink since i carry always.

    but then again, i have several years of training, and several years of experience...

    i wouldn't recommend it to civilians, but as you all know heroes like me are highly trained and responsible
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    AWDstylez wrote:
    Guns + alcohol.... hmmm

    Forget the car, leave it at home if you're drinking.
    Not everyone is a high school girl. Some people can handle drinking more than a wine cooler without being falldown, retardedly drunk.

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    slowzx320 wrote:
    I was at the local bar eating,drinking beer and playing pool. Ive been there maybe 30 time since it has opened, and always carried my gun in concealed. The bar has no Gun Prohibited sticker nowhere and Indiana you can carry in a bar. I was playing pool at the time was on my 3rd game, apparently the cook seen my gun went i was bent over for a shot. So he told the manager or whoever which was a women, she came over to me and asked if i had a gun..... I said yes. I have a permit is there a problem? She asked to see my permit, i show it to her i said there is no sticker on the door that says no guns aloud. She really didnt have anything to say, she took it to the show somebody them came out and asked if i could put it in my car. I said sure no problem real nice, I left it at that I got there number so i can call the owner. What should I do??? this is the first time i was asked to put my gun away


    Thanks Brian
    Why would one keep handing the cops more Hole cards in the first place, Drink at home, If i had to have a gun on me to enjoy a cold frosty, I'd find a more friendlier atmosphere.. The legal ramifications of having to use your firearm under the influence of alcohol, ain't worth the headache..

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    Imagine if a law was passed that said you could not exercise your right to worship freely if your blood alcohol was >.02.

    Or freely assemble.

    Or read a newspaper.

    "Oh, your BAC is >.02, your 4th amendment rights are no longer valid"

    You get picked up for suspicion of DUI, oops, no attorney for you, you're drunk.

    When did we let alcohol become an indicator for our level of rights? Look how far we've come; not 100 years ago the Federal Gov't knew that in order to affect such a change on our society as to prohibit alcohol required an Amendment to the Constitution. The Constitution itself had to be changed. Now it just seems like a wave of the magic wand, or executive order, or AG opinion. Those folks understood the Constitution. No longer so.

    I'm just sayin'

    Carry on.



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    jmlefler wrote:
    Imagine if a law was passed that said you could not exercise your right to worship freely if your blood alcohol was >.02.

    Or freely assemble.

    Or read a newspaper.

    "Oh, your BAC is >.02, your 4th amendment rights are no longer valid"

    You get picked up for suspicion of DUI, oops, no attorney for you, you're drunk.

    When did we let alcohol become an indicator for our level of rights? Look how far we've come; not 100 years ago the Federal Gov't knew that in order to affect such a change on our society as to prohibit alcohol required an Amendment to the Constitution. The Constitution itself had to be changed. Now it just seems like a wave of the magic wand, or executive order, or AG opinion. Those folks understood the Constitution. No longer so.

    I'm just sayin'

    Carry on.

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    I don't personally carry while drinking. I think it's a bad mix. I don't drive while drinking, either.

    When I am the designated driver, I carry. When I am not, my designated driver does.

    That's just me.

    If the law permits carry in a bar in Indiana, and you really feel you must do that, then it shouldn't be a problem to find a bar which permits it.

    The bar in question is a private establishment. They can ask anyone to leave at any time and for any reason. Nobody has a right to drink there.

    As to what to do, hand them a "no guns, no money" card and go someplace else.



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    I'm just sayin, that you will find MANY restrictions upon your actions while under the influence of intoxicants. This is not to say that rights are negated, but you can argue that they may be suspended while intoxicated.

    Point of fact concerning carry and alcohol. Depending upon location, it isn't a crime or restriction to drink while carrying, but it may well be a crime to be legally intoxicated while carrying. I believe this is the case for Nevada. Frankly, I feel that this is not a bad thing.

    You could also make a case for such with freedom of speech, with laws against public intoxication.

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    Imagine if a law was passed that said you could not exercise your right to worship freely if your blood alcohol was >.02.

    Or freely assemble.

    Or read a newspaper.

    "Oh, your BAC is >.02, your 4th amendment rights are no longer valid"

    You get picked up for suspicion of DUI, oops, no attorney for you, you're drunk.

    When did we let alcohol become an indicator for our level of rights? Look how far we've come; not 100 years ago the Federal Gov't knew that in order to affect such a change on our society as to prohibit alcohol required an Amendment to the Constitution. The Constitution itself had to be changed. Now it just seems like a wave of the magic wand, or executive order, or AG opinion. Those folks understood the Constitution. No longer so.

    I'm just sayin'

    Carry on.

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    wrightme wrote:
    I'm just sayin, that you will find MANY restrictions upon your actions while under the influence of intoxicants. This is not to say that rights are negated, but you can argue that they may be suspended while intoxicated.

    Point of fact concerning carry and alcohol. Depending upon location, it isn't a crime or restriction to drink while carrying, but it may well be a crime to be legally intoxicated while carrying. I believe this is the case for Nevada. Frankly, I feel that this is not a bad thing.

    You could also make a case for such with freedom of speech, with laws against public intoxication.

    This is the biggest problem we face, folks. People who justify and rationalize the restriction of rights, even within our own causes. The idea of "compromise" and "not so bad" have led to the country we live in today, where government is all encompassing and freedoms are stripped in secret back room meetings of rich men and women that have no thought to the well being of the people they govern, but only how much money they can strip from them and how quickly.

    Do I think drinking and carrying while in public is a good idea?Not to drunkenness, for sure. But if I want to have a beer while carrying, I see no problem with it. I'm a responsible adult, and I know when I've had enough. "Enough" is a much lower bar when I'm carrying than when I'm not. But that's a decision for me to decide, not some rich lawyer in the state or federal capitol who thinks we need to be told how to live our lives. Stop justifying and rationalizing the government's invasion into your lives and activities......that is how they win in the fight to take away our rights one at a time.

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    Well Me, having a gun on me is the first thing that is mind wherever i go.... it is a deadly weapon. And thank you for all your responses, I get what you are all saying I can see from all sides. I'm far from stupid I don't see anything wrong with having 2 0r 3 beers and carrying a gun. This is just the first negative response Ive gotten from carrying my gun. Ive even OC'd in Chilis resturant bar and know one batted an eye. Should i talk to the owner or just leave it at that, leave my gun while im there??

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    Perhaps you can indeed handle your intake. I think what many object to is the example you set by carrying and drinking (yes, I understand if it's concealed most won't know about it).

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    yea drinking and OCing would look kind of bad. but in this case he was CCing which makes it not as bad but i can still imagine what the owner was thinking. my suggestion is just conceal it better and leave it at that. i know if i was drinking and carrying i sure as hell wouldnt use my weapon in the event something happened unless i was cornered and had no other choice. either way its still better to have it IMO, regardless of what your doing or where

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    I'm not sure about the laws in other states, but here in Michigan the BAC is 02, about 1 beer. For me, more than 4 Jack & Cokes puts me in a happy place and I don't feel confident driving or carrying. That's way beyond what the law allows, but the risk of getting busted just isn't worth it.

    Gonna drink, don't carry. Get a designated driver and carrier.

    As far a any business that doesn't welcome me and my weapon even if I'm not drinking doesn't get my business, period.

    I know many businesses are privately owned and may set their own rules, but my money is just as green elsewhere and I will spend it where my 2nd ammendment rights aren't restricted.

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    slowzx320 wrote:
    I was at the local bar eating,drinking beer and playing pool. Ive been there maybe 30 time since it has opened, and always carried my gun in concealed. The bar has no Gun Prohibited sticker nowhere and Indiana you can carry in a bar. I was playing pool at the time was on my 3rd game, apparently the cook seen my gun went i was bent over for a shot. So he told the manager or whoever which was a women, she came over to me and asked if i had a gun..... I said yes. I have a permit is there a problem? She asked to see my permit, i show it to her i said there is no sticker on the door that says no guns aloud. She really didnt have anything to say, she took it to the show somebody them came out and asked if i could put it in my car. I said sure no problem real nice, I left it at that I got there number so i can call the owner. What should I do??? this is the first time i was asked to put my gun away


    Thanks Brian
    I would either not answer her question about the gun or lie and say "no I don't." I would never showmy permit to an employee or private citizenunless the law in my state requires that I do so. (and it doesn't)

    If they trespassed me out for refusing to answer or lying after my CC'd weapon printed, I'd just pay my tab and go find another place to drink and shoot pool.



    However, in my state, I can't carry in a bar, so none of this applies.

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    I am in no way advocating the mixing of alcohol and gunpowder, as a personal choice. I am advocating that all rights be protected equally and not restricted without due process in an arbitrary fashion such as BAC.

    From wrightme: This is not to say that rights are negated, but you can argue that they may be suspended while intoxicated.

    ..Please, not the word game again. 'Suspended'? Is your definition 'temporarily negated'? If it is, you are saying that rights are negated and you're violating the basic identity rule of logic (a thing either is or isn't a thing).

    ..You can argue all you want, but that doesn't change the Constitution - recall that you cannot be denied your rights without due process. My reference: the 5th amendment to the Constitution. Operating a motor vehicle is considered a privilege by fiat - that you could suspend. Entirely different from a Right. Don't confuse rights with powers or privileges (which leads to another interesting discussion regarding 'privileges or immunities' found in the 14th amendment).

    Carry on.



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    jmlefler wrote:
    From wrightme: This is not to say that rights are negated, but you can argue that they may be suspended while intoxicated.

    ..You can argue all you want but that doesn't change the Constitution - recall that you cannot be denied your rights without due process. My reference: the 5th amendment to the Constitution. Operating a motor vehicle is considered a privilege by fiat - that you could suspend. Entirely different from a Right. Don't confuse rights with powers or privileges (which leads to another interesting discussion regarding 'privileges or immunities' found in the 14th amendment).

    Carry on.

    Good point. I still find it very difficult to believe any justification attempt for carrying a firearm (exercise of Right) while intoxicated. From a strictly common-sense standpoint, the legal ramifications are simply too much. As has been mentioned, if you are going to carry, accept that it is your responsibility to defend. If you are going to get intoxicated, allow someone who isn't intoxicated to defend.
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