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    Gillibrand was selected to replace Clinton

    The executive director of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence is trying to stop Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-Hudson, from succeeding Hillary Rodham Clinton as New York's junior senator.
    With Clinton's confirmation as secretary of state Wednesday and subsequent resignation from the Senate, Gov. David Paterson is expected to appoint someone soon to serve until a special election in 2010.
    Gillibrand, 42, a former securities attorney who represents the 20th Congressional District, is among more than a dozen people interviewed by the governor.
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    However, Gillibrand, a strong supporter of Second Amendment rights, is still on the radar screen, and that worries Jackie Hilly, NYAGV's executive director.
    ``I don't think she represents most New Yorkers on gun-control issues,'' Hilly said Wednesday.
    Gillibrand, a Democrat who easily won a second term last year, has received an ``A'' rating from the National Rifle Association, which opposes many gun-control measures. Hilly said the rating shows Gillibrand is out of step with most New Yorkers.

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    If this guy is truly pro-gun, I recommend that we call, email, or write a letter to the NY Gov as a show of support. I just dont have the contact info. Anyone who can help here?

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    Greta Van Susteren is reporting that she will be the Senator. If it turns out to be the case, this far exceeds the greatest expectations I would have had considering the political environment. The biggest worry will be can she stand up to the pressure from her fellow, but almost universally more liberal Democratic peers.

    Let's hope this gets done before the heavy hitting antis wake up and start their belly-achin'!

    TFred

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsten_Gillibrand

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    Gillibrand is a member of the Blue Dog Coalition.[3] She strongly opposes gun control.[4][5] She supports extending the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for middle tax families; stem cell research; and the Children's Health and Medicare Protection Act.[6] Gillibrand opposes attempts to partially privatize Social Security.[7] She strongly supported passage of the 2008 Farm Bill.[8] Gillibrand broke with former Governor Eliot Spitzer on the issue of illegal immigration, opposing his plan to issue New York State drivers licenses to illegal immigrants.[9]


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    Having grown up in upstate NY there is a HUGE difference of opinion in many issues between us Upstaters and NYC people. When I went home for Christmas I was carrying my shotgun in a soft case from my car to our room in the small inn we stayed at everyday without people thinking anything about it. There was a NY State Trooper there one morning and when I walked by him with it he didn't give me a second look. Just heard this on the radio. Carolyn McCarthy has already said she will run against her in 2010.

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    Fortunately, it looks like all the Carolyn Kennedy baggage is what is getting the news attention. This is good! Keep on talking about her! Gillibrand who?

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    The announcement was made, so it's official now!

    I just had a very funny thought.... can you just imagine the heartburn that Bloomberg is having over this!!??

    :celebrate

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    She has to be backed nigh universally by the Democrats and it has nothing to do with the senate. It has to do with the Governorship of NY. If they come across as a fractured party and the infighting becomes public it opens the door for a republican (like Giulianni) to take the Governorship. You can't win the Governorship without the ENTIRE state...its pretty even between upstate and the city (around 8 million a piece) and its no good to lambast a pro 2A person if they are a member of your party and you want to win their support for governor. So yeah, Schumer and those of his ilk will tow the party line and in two years try to crush gillibrand in the primary and get one of their gun hatin socialists to replace her.

    He may be in a surprise though, new yorkers on a whole are left of center...but just barely. If she's a true blue dog they may have a tough time defeating her next go around.

    All in all, this can only be good for those who support the 2nd amendment.

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    Not all New Yorkers are left of center. There is a difference between people from NYC and those of us from the rest of the state. The reason Democrats are gaining ground in NY is because people like Kirstin Gillibrand are more conservative then the Republicans. On Rush's show today he was saying how Rich Bond ex RNC chair was saying all southern Republicans care about is guns and taxes.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aN5z7TvAtZoQ

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    Thats why I said...ON A WHOLE. That is to say if you average everyone out they are slightly left of center. Like PA is just left of right since we have liberal hotspots like Philly and Pittsburgh pulling us left.

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    Prophet wrote:
    Thats why I said...ON A WHOLE. That is to say if you average everyone out they are slightly left of center. Like PA is just left of right since we have liberal hotspots like Philly and Pittsburgh pulling us left.
    Then the correct way to state that would be the state of New York is left of center due to the huge voting block of NYC.

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    This is GREAT news for our side.

    It is very important now that Sen. Gillibrand hear from 2A folks. Her NRA A+ is largely due to her being part of upstate hunting culture.

    Schumer thinks that she will "moderate" now that Brooklyn is part of her constituency.

    Lets prove him wrong!

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    TFred wrote:
    The announcement was made, so it's official now!

    I just had a very funny thought.... can you just imagine the heartburn that Bloomberg is having over this!!??

    :celebrate

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    And already they are out there attacking her.

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    hlh wrote:
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/01232009..._ho_151502.htm

    I can't believe she was backed by Schumer?? :shock: Something smells fishy...

    Believe it. Old Shecky Schumer was standing beside her at the announcement. And he said: "After she has seen the (devastation of "gun violence") in the larger cities, she will change her views to reflect those of the residents of the State as a whole".

    And "she will" was said in the same tone my Sergeant used to use when he told me "You Will get a har-cut, Airman!!" Now was Schumer expressing confidence that he and the libs can put the pressure on her (and starting to right now)? Or are they holding her child hostage at a Liberal re-education camp to assure her cooperation?

    Probably the first, but with a filthy louse like Schumer I wouldn't rule out the second .:quirky:quirky


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    I've heard she has a streak of self-promotion, which hints at a touch of ambition. Let's hope that she doesn't cave in on the Second Amendment in order to stave off a serious primary challenger in 2010. Nothing like a loss, in a primary, to end an ambitious lady's career.

    Why else would Chuckie be so confident? Why would Governor Paterson (who has an F-rating from the NRA) make aPro-Gun appointment unless absolutely certain that she valued her rising career more than her upcountry principals?



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    OC4me wrote:
    I've heard she has a streak of self-promotion, which hints at a touch of ambition. Let's hope that she doesn't cave in on the Second Amendment in order to stave off a serious primary challenger in 2010. Nothing like a loss, in a primary, to end an ambitious lady's career.

    Why else would Chuckie be so confident? Why would Governor Paterson (who has an F-rating from the NRA) make aPro-Gun appointment unless absolutely certain that she valued her rising career more than her upcountry principals?
    I would think that a well documented case of abandoning one's principles to advance one's career would tend to do just the opposite. But then, I am a clear thinker, unlike the anti-gun crowd who may be counting on that strategy...

    There have been significant flip-floppers on both sides of the aisle, and on issues just as important.

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    In her own words, she says she is "pro-hunter", and the media keep reporting that she is "pro-gun", as if that is the same thing.

    It is not.

    An NRA rating of A+ in New York is not the same as an A+ in Texas or Montana.

    I hope she actually is pro-gun, but I will wait to be convinced.


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    NRA A+ usually translates to about a C for GOA or other pro-self-defense groups, but it's better than Hillary.

    Chuckie's just happy that the other NY senator won't be stealing his spotlight anymore.

    In the last few years, we've seen a scattered few pro-SD (or at least not anti-SD) Democrats on the federal level, such as Jim Webb, Mark Warner, and now this lady. I think we may be seeing a trickle-up effect from the state-level grass-roots work that's been gaining strength for the last 2 decades. It's not much, but if we keep it up it will tell over time, as people like Ted Kennedy and other old-time Democrats go out to pasture and younger ones have to pander a little more to us than they used to.

    Or I'm just a hopeless optimist! :celebrate

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    I am just pleased that NY now has a Senator that may think of some of the people of that state besides the ones from Manhattan and Harlem. She will have a tough time being re-elected in 2010 but so far it is good.

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    Old Shecky Schumer was standing beside her at the announcement. And he said: "After she has seen the (devastation of "gun violence") in the larger cities, she will change her views to reflect those of the residents of the State as a whole".
    His arrogance never ceases to amaze me....

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    Armed wrote:
    Alexcabbie wrote:
    Old Shecky Schumer was standing beside her at the announcement. And he said: "After she has seen the (devastation of "gun violence") in the larger cities, she will change her views to reflect those of the residents of the State as a whole".
    His arrogance never ceases to amaze me....
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009...ictim_nya.html

    As our new pro-gun rights senator visited Harlem, an overflow crowd packed a Brooklyn church for the funeral of a magical straight-A student who is the latest innocent to die by a bullet.

    Super bright, witty and warm, 17-year-old Nyasia Pryear-Yard was killed a week ago when a punk fired into a crowded dance.

    Her death clearly made no big impression on Gov. Paterson. He went ahead and appointed Kirsten Gillibrand as our new senator even though she has actively pushed legislation that would make it even harder to control illegal handguns.
    At the news conference announcing the appointment, Paterson noted that the seat had been held previously by Robert F. Kennedy. Paterson did not add that Kennedy had been murdered with a handgun.

    Gillibrand sought to downplay her pro-gun record, pledging to work to "reduce gun violence and protect children, but also protect our hunters' rights."
    She said she hails from a hunting clan. She was a touch Palin-esque as she reported her mom is "the best shot in the family" and often bags their Thanksgiving turkey.
    But, like the NRA, her major efforts in firearm regulation have had less to do with hunting weapons than with handguns, which turkey hunters are not even permitted to use in New York State.

    "You may not take a turkey with a rifle or handgun," state regulations say.
    Gillibrand is not on record opposing gun control as it concerns turkey shooting.
    But, regarding a realm where kids are routinely killed, she co-sponsored HR6691, which seeks to repeal all gun restrictions in the District of Columbia beyond relatively lax federal law.

    "The District of Columbia shall not have authority to enact laws or regulations that discourage or eliminate the private ownership or use of firearms," the bill states.
    Mayor Bloomberg notes Gillibrand has also actively supported provisions that restrict police in assembling data on illegal guns.

    Which makes you wonder how Sen. Charles Schumer could have been on the stage at the news conference, cheering Gillibrand's appointment. Schumer sought to reassure us that her views on guns will "evolve."
    The fact remains that Schumer lives just 16 blocks from where Nyasia was killed. He should have been back in Brooklyn, joining the 1,700 mourners who attended her wake.

    The person he should have been extolling was the super bright, witty and warm honor student from Nazareth Regional High School who now lay in a white coffin.
    Nyasia's father is a court officer, and among the many who did extol her were his comrades, who remember her as Kings County Civil Court's answer to Eloise at the Plaza. She had been coming there after school since she was 4-years-old and they had watched her grow and blossom.

    "Nyasia was King Civil's baby," said Lt. Tawya Young. She had been by the court in the week before she was killed. "Smart, funny," Young said. "Beautiful as she always is."

    Young was among those who stood in dress uniform outside St. Fortunata's Church on Saturday morning, giving a white-gloved salute as Nyasia's coffin was carried inside. A lone bagpiper played and overhead tolled the bell the pastor had taken to ringing in answer to the sound of gunshots and sirens. "Just to remind people God is with us," the Rev. Vincent Miceli said.

    Behind the coffin came the father, Alberto Yard, and the mother, Jennifer Pryear. The priest noted that children who lose parents are called orphans and those who lose a spouse are called widows or widowers "In no language in the world is there a word to describe the pain of a parent losing a child," he said. "How many more young people will die for no reason and what are you going to do about it?"

    He described the world that all our leaders should be laboring to create.
    "Where our children can play and be safe and go to parties," he said. "When our streets are safer, God's presence is among us."
    As a lone voice sang "Ave Maria," the priest led the parents to a statue of the Blessed Mother, who herself lost a child.
    The parents left a single red rose and followed their daughter's white coffin back into the cold with a hurt that has no name.


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    Never ceases to amaze me how the anti's can turn everything against lawful gun ownership. Wonder IF one of the good guys or let's say the whole crowd was armed whether the punk would have got off even one round?
    ‘‘Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.’’ Thomas Jefferson

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    Yep. "......And if you dont agree with us or we can't refute your logic, why, then here are some tearful, grief-stricken relatives..." and then firearms are made the disease and firearms owners are made out to be disease carriers; or are made out as uncaring louts or some such by these parasites who shamelessly exploit grieving parents. And in an effort to defame and smear the ONE thing that might have saved that kid's life, at that.

    IMO there are two basic kinds of anti: there is the truly concerned citizen who has swallowed the Anti line whole or has endured a loss such as this (and in many cases is "love bombed" by Type Two antis much like the cult leaders of the 70s used to do). Type One antis are frustrating but basically decent but misguided and decieved folks.

    The Type Two Anti is a different critter altogether. Type Twos carry all the BS talking points in their heads and won't hesitate to loudly butt in to a conversation about firearms and/or firearms rights, not to contribute to the conversatiion but to drown out the pro-2A arguement. Their main motivation is to use the force of law to force everyone to live as they would have it. Not coincidentlly most Type Twos are also advocates of government prohibitions on smoking in bars, use of trans-fats in restaurant cuisine, and anything else they find personally undesireable. The Type Two anti wants you to not have a firearm for safety, to not smoke because the health issues cost money, and to use the damned corkscrew lightbulbs because of the environment (and never mind that the mercury in those bulbs is unsafe, extremely unhealthy, and by the way mercury is extracted from ore that is mined and processed...)

    NYC Mayor Bloomberg is a classic Type Two. His latest diktat-in-waiting is an order to reduce or eliminate salt - SALT!! - from restaurant food.

    When you stand up for the Second Amendment, truly you are standing up for every other right you have. Most Type Twos have no qualms about guns for themselves. The bottom line is that they prefer unarmed peasants beneath them.

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    Your type ones are people that can be brought around to the side of light. They are vulnerable to the facts of how gun control does not and cannot stop gun violence- it can't stop criminal behavior because it's not designed to. It's just a matter of getting the message to them.

    The type twos KNOW that gun control doesn't work for controlling gun violence, but many believe it can work for controlling people (what they haven't figured out is that liberty-minded people won't be without guns any more than criminals won't- regardless of what laws they pass).

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    Slayer of Paper wrote:
    Your type ones are people that can be brought around to the side of light. They are vulnerable to the facts of how gun control does not and cannot stop gun violence- it can't stop criminal behavior because it's not designed to. It's just a matter of getting the message to them.

    The type twos KNOW that gun control doesn't work for controlling gun violence, but many believe it can work for controlling people (what they haven't figured out is that liberty-minded people won't be without guns any more than criminals won't- regardless of what laws they pass).
    They also don't understand that liberty minded people will still be liberty minded people with or without their firearms.

    So no amount of control on them isgoing to work. The tighter you squeeze, the more slips through your fingers.

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    Slayer of Paper wrote:
    (what they haven't figured out is that liberty-minded people won't be without guns any more than criminals won't- regardless of what laws they pass).
    Thus becoming criminals themselves... in the eyes of government.

    BTW: :shock:

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    This is GREAT news for our side.

    It is very important now that Sen. Gillibrand hear from 2A folks. Her NRA A+ is largely due to her being part of upstate hunting culture.

    Schumer thinks that she will "moderate" now that Brooklyn is part of her constituency.

    Lets prove him wrong!
    That's a first! Thank God the election is over and some of us can begin making sense again .

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