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    http://www.stategunlaws.org/pdf/2009...-Day-Flyer.pdf

    I'm new to the whole "activist" thing, but would it be productive to try to be there next Monday to oppose their "advocacy day"?

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    SaltH2OHokie wrote:
    SNIP...but would it be productive to try to be there next Monday to oppose their "advocacy day"?


    No. Not unless we got 400-600 people there again.

    Remember the pitiful little two or three anti-gunners protesting our rally? What a photo op for them if they put 30 or 40 people in the square and we only had 5-10.

    Also, the Delegates and Senators got to see 500 or 600of us on 1/19. Almost asea of orange stickers no matter which way you turned. None could have failed to notice.

    Bugging the Delegates and Senatorsagain would just annoy them, I should think.

    I strongly suspect the reason they are having a separate day is because we reservedtwo rally time slots or so right after the '08 Lobby Day. That or they suspected they'd be overwhelmed by us and wanted their own day.

    Although, it might be fun to attend incognito andask the kids they are sure to bus in to see how many are just doing it for extra-credit or to get a day off from school like last year.

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    Gotcha. I couldn't make it either way due to class, but I was just curious if that was something that would be a good idea.

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    I can see the bell tower from my office, so I may swing by and see what's going on.
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    How can they be the "Virginia Center for Public Safety" and advocate limiting the right of a person to defend himself?

    It rates right up there with the old standbys of oxymoronism:
    Jumbo shrimp
    Government intelligence
    Liberty tax
    Paper money

    Etc, etc, etc.

    On an unrelated note, I like how there are at least two buildings that you can see from the bell tower that fly ONLY the Virginia flag.
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    That's one reason I'm not too keen on going to something like this. It will be _really_ hard to blend in.
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    I might go.
    "These are the shock troops (opencarry.org) of the gun lobby. And, they are not going away."
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    Since there are a few interested, I'll hang out at the Bank st. capital entrance (the open area beside the stairway) for a few minutes just before 1:00PM if anyone else wants to meet up. I'm not planning on sticking around too long though, as I don't want to pad their numbers.
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    Make sure you all wear your orange stickers. Or not. As a previous poster noted, a 2-3 person response may appear weaker (to the press) than no response at all. Does anyone have an idea of their expected turnout yet?

    I wonder if I could get a one way ride to DC on their bus while wearing one?
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    I agree. I'm not going to "protest," just curious to see how much support they can bring out. My guess is a non-holiday Monday AM won't be too enticing, for both those that have jobs and those that partied all weekend.
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    On the other hand, one very visible person may attract the attention of press. Just speak about "the 500 to 600 we had here last week on lobby day." Or "we had our 600 here last week, no need to get in the MMM's way or cause bad feelings" kinda thing.

    Might get quoted, particularly if you are telegenic.



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    I suppose finding a reporter and asking what's going on might be an easy way to get a word or two in.

    "I'm passing through on my way to lunch, but was here last week for the VCDL rally where we had 5-600 folks show up." kinda thing.
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    bnkrazy wrote:
    I can see the bell tower from my office, so I may swing by and see what's going on.
    Ha! We need to have some Peter Gunn music playing in the background..... Or James Bond perhaps.

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    bnkrazy wrote:
    That's one reason I'm not too keen on going to something like this. It will be _really_ hard to blend in.
    Just put one of their stickers on. If you get into a discussion with others and they're spouting off non-sense you could say something like, "Well to be fair, that's not what they believe" and then explain gun rights. Since they will think you are one of them they might even listen a bit :^).

    Now I've got the Bond music playing in my head.

    Edit: I agree with riverrat's good point, might be an opportunity.

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    bnkrazy, yeah along those lines.

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    Ha ha some of this talk reminds me of those signs from the Protest Warrior guys...

    "Communism has only killed 100 Million people... Let's give it another chance!"

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    "Criminals for Gun Control: Why should we risk being injured on the job?"

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    What we need is someone who has used a gun in self defense that can wear a sticker a gun SAVED MY LIFE

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    hsmith wrote:
    What we need is someone who has used a gun in self defense that can wear a sticker a gun SAVED MY LIFE
    Put it right on the gun: "This gun SAVED MY LIFE".

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    SaltH2OHokie wrote:
    http://www.stategunlaws.org/pdf/2009...-Day-Flyer.pdf

    I'm new to the whole "activist" thing, but would it be productive to try to be there next Monday to oppose their "advocacy day"?
    The timing is no accident.

    Senate Courts of Justice will decide on Marsh's Gunshow "loophole" bill that same morning.

    Senate Courts of Justice Docket

    Senate Committee on Courts of Justice
    Chairman: Henry L. Marsh III
    Clerk: Angi Murphy
    Staff: J. French, M. Felch, K. Stokes
    Date of Meeting: January 26, 2009
    Time and Place: January 26, 2009 9:00 AM, Senate Room A

    S.B. 1257
    Patron: Marsh
    Transfer of firearms; criminal records check; penalties. Adds a definition of "firearms show vendor" and requires that a criminal history record information check be performed on the prospective transferee before the vendor may transfer firearms at a gun show. Under current law, only licensed dealers must obtain such a check. The bill also adds a definition of "promoter" and requires that the promoter of a gun show provide vendors with access to licensed dealers who will conduct the criminal background check.

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    I will be there if work decides they don't need me.



    I don't want to engage with antis. I'll wear an orange sticker if somebody has one.
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    Repeater wrote:
    SaltH2OHokie wrote:
    http://www.stategunlaws.org/pdf/2009...-Day-Flyer.pdf

    I'm new to the whole "activist" thing, but would it be productive to try to be there next Monday to oppose their "advocacy day"?
    The timing is no accident.

    Senate Courts of Justice will decide on Marsh's Gunshow "loophole" bill that same morning.

    Senate Courts of Justice Docket

    Senate Committee on Courts of Justice
    Chairman: Henry L. Marsh III
    Clerk: Angi Murphy
    Staff: J. French, M. Felch, K. Stokes
    Date of Meeting: January 26, 2009
    Time and Place: January 26, 2009 9:00 AM, Senate Room A

    S.B. 1257
    Patron: Marsh
    Transfer of firearms; criminal records check; penalties. Adds a definition of "firearms show vendor" and requires that a criminal history record information check be performed on the prospective transferee before the vendor may transfer firearms at a gun show. Under current law, only licensed dealers must obtain such a check. The bill also adds a definition of "promoter" and requires that the promoter of a gun show provide vendors with access to licensed dealers who will conduct the criminal background check.
    Gee, that would be easy to get around. I bet the promoter would be willing to do so too. All they would have to do is set up a few tables for free available for use by anyone not a licensed dealer and has a gun to sell. The promoter would lose a little money but it sure would be a stick in the eye of the antis. Can't say they're a "vendor" if they haven't paid a fee for a table.

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    Neplusultra wrote:
    Repeater wrote:
    SaltH2OHokie wrote:
    http://www.stategunlaws.org/pdf/2009...-Day-Flyer.pdf

    I'm new to the whole "activist" thing, but would it be productive to try to be there next Monday to oppose their "advocacy day"?
    The timing is no accident.

    Senate Courts of Justice will decide on Marsh's Gunshow "loophole" bill that same morning.

    Senate Courts of Justice Docket

    Senate Committee on Courts of Justice
    Chairman: Henry L. Marsh III
    Clerk: Angi Murphy
    Staff: J. French, M. Felch, K. Stokes
    Date of Meeting: January 26, 2009
    Time and Place: January 26, 2009 9:00 AM, Senate Room A

    S.B. 1257
    Patron: Marsh
    Transfer of firearms; criminal records check; penalties. Adds a definition of "firearms show vendor" and requires that a criminal history record information check be performed on the prospective transferee before the vendor may transfer firearms at a gun show. Under current law, only licensed dealers must obtain such a check. The bill also adds a definition of "promoter" and requires that the promoter of a gun show provide vendors with access to licensed dealers who will conduct the criminal background check.
    Gee, that would be easy to get around. I bet the promoter would be willing to do so too. All they would have to do is set up a few tables for free available for use by anyone not a licensed dealer and has a gun to sell. The promoter would lose a little money but it sure would be a stick in the eye of the antis. Can't say they're a "vendor" if they haven't paid a fee for a table.
    You missed the first sentence of the summary, "adds definition of 'firearms show vendor'", which is:

    "Firearms show vendor" means any person not licensed as a Virginia dealer pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 921 et seq. who exhibits, sells, offers for sale, transfers, or exchanges any firearm at a firearms show, regardless of whether the person arranges with a firearms show promoter for a fixed location from which to exhibit, sell, offer for sale, transfer, or exchange any firearm.

    See http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...091+ful+SB1257

    TFred


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    TFred wrote:
    SNIP "Firearms show vendor" means any person not licensed as a Virginia dealer pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 921 et seq. who exhibits, sells, offers for sale, transfers, or exchanges any firearm at a firearms show, regardless of whether the person arranges with a firearms show promoter for a fixed location from which to exhibit, sell, offer for sale, transfer, or exchange any firearm.

    See http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...091+ful+SB1257
    Christ, that would even get you if you only handed out a flyer advertising to sell your gun in a transaction later outside the gunshow, say at home.

    "For sale: S&W Model 686. Good condition. Hogue grips. Trigger job. Call 555-2222."
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    SNIP "Firearms show vendor" means any person not licensed as a Virginia dealer pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 921 et seq. who exhibits, sells, offers for sale, transfers, or exchanges any firearm at a firearms show, regardless of whether the person arranges with a firearms show promoter for a fixed location from which to exhibit, sell, offer for sale, transfer, or exchange any firearm.

    See http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...091+ful+SB1257
    Christ, that would even get you if you only handed out a flyer advertising to sell your gun in a transaction later outside the gunshow, say at home.

    "For sale: S&W Model 686. Good condition. Hogue grips. Trigger job. Call 555-2222."
    Well, we've known all along that is what the true motive is...

    TFred

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    TFred wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    SNIP "Firearms show vendor" means any person not licensed as a Virginia dealer pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 921 et seq. who exhibits, sells, offers for sale, transfers, or exchanges any firearm at a firearms show, regardless of whether the person arranges with a firearms show promoter for a fixed location from which to exhibit, sell, offer for sale, transfer, or exchange any firearm.

    See http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...091+ful+SB1257
    Christ, that would even get you if you only handed out a flyer advertising to sell your gun in a transaction later outside the gunshow, say at home.

    "For sale: S&W Model 686. Good condition. Hogue grips. Trigger job. Call 555-2222."
    Well, we've known all along that is what the true motive is...

    TFred
    Good point. I didn't make the connection. Thank you.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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