Coporate policies on OC

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SpringerXDacp wrote:

The Career Alliance building consists of the MTB (Michigan Talent Bank)/The Michigan Works, MRS (Michigan Rehabilitation Services) and isposted (No Firearms) on the main entrance doors. Other than the posted doors, I'm not exactly sure of the policies there.

If the building is owned/maintained by the State of Michigan then 123.1102 should apply, at least for non-employees. The last time I was there I mentioned the invalid/illegal sign on the doorper 123.1102 to an employee and she basically told me-in a very nice way-that I was full of sh!t.

Administrative Office

711 N. Saginaw St.
Suite 300
Flint, MI 48503

Director: Alicia Booker
WDB Chair: Jim King
CEO: Woodrow Stanley
Phone: 810-233-5974
E-mail: Venator


These people are solely funded by tax dollars at the federal and state level. They ARE a state public building and business.
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Equal Opportunity As a condition to the award of financial assistance from the Department of Labor under Title I of WIA, Career Alliance, Inc. assures that it will comply fully with the nondiscrimination and equal opportunity provisions of the following laws:

Section 188 of the Workforce Investment Act of 1998 (WIA), which prohibits discrimination against all individuals in the United States on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, disability, political affiliation or belief, and against beneficiaries on the basis of either citizenship/status as a lawfully admitted immigrant authorized to work in the United States or participation in any WIA title I-financially assisted program or activity:

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• Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, as amended, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color and national origin:

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• Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, as amended, which prohibits discrimination against qualified individuals with disabilities;

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• The Age Discrimination Act of 1975, as amended which prohibits discrimination on the basis of age; and

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• Title IX the Education Amendments of 1972, as amended, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex in educational programs.

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Career Alliance, Inc. assures that it will comply with 29 CFR part 37 and all other regulations implementing the laws listed above. This assurance applies to Career Alliance, Inc. and its operation of the WIA Title I- financially assisted program or activity and to all agreements Career Alliance, Inc. makes to carry out the WIA Title I- financially assisted program or activity. Career Alliance, Inc. understands that the United States has the right to seek judicial enforcement of this assurance.

http://www.careeralliance.org/equalopportunity/New%20EO%20Is%20the%20Law.pdf

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Received this nice letter from their attorney. Apparently he has visited some website I have posted on. I like his unnecessary warning, as if I would patronize an anti-gun corporation like theirs.

Good afternoon Mr. Jeffs,
I am the attorney for Career Alliance. Ms. Goble forwarded to me your inquiry about Career Alliance's prohibition on guns at its sites. Career Alliance is not a governmental body but a non-profit corporation incorporated under the laws of this state. It has the same property rights that are vested in every other private person. As you have pointed out on at least one web site. "Private property rules over-ride state law in regards to firearm possession."
While I understand your prior confusion on this point you are now aware of Career Alliance's status and are on notice not to appear on its property carrying any weapon. Should you do so you may be charged criminally.
If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.

Peter Goodstein

452 S. Saginaw St.Suite 302 Flint, MI 48502USA (810) 232-0553


Doesn't he mean you will be asked to leave and if you don't you could be charges with trespassing only.

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LaVere wrote:

Received this nice letter from their attorney. Apparently he has visited some website I have posted on. I like his unnecessary warning, as if I would patronize an anti-gun corporation like theirs.

Good afternoon Mr. Jeffs,
I am the attorney for Career Alliance. Ms. Goble forwarded to me your inquiry about Career Alliance's prohibition on guns at its sites. Career Alliance is not a governmental body but a non-profit corporation incorporated under the laws of this state. It has the same property rights that are vested in every other private person. As you have pointed out on at least one web site. "Private property rules over-ride state law in regards to firearm possession."
While I understand your prior confusion on this point you are now aware of Career Alliance's status and are on notice not to appear on its property carrying any weapon. Should you do so you may be charged criminally.
If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.

Peter Goodstein

452 S. Saginaw St.Suite 302 Flint, MI 48502USA (810) 232-0553


Doesn't he mean you will be asked to leave and if you don't you could be charges with trespassing only.

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I think that is what is is saying, I now have been warned. But I told him I don't frequent anti-gun business. We need to find out if the building is owned by the state or county. Mr. Goldsteins email: petergoodstein@hotmail.com

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Added Cabelas letter to top of page.

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I work at BK & My boss still thinks its against the law to open carry unless your a "LEO"
Here's my store #517-321-5888,If someone could give her call & ask if they follow the laws of the state,Or ask for Corporate's #.That would be great.

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DarksLight2002 wrote:

I work at BK & My boss still thinks its against the law to open carry unless your a "LEO"
Here's my store #517-321-5888,If someone could give her call & ask if they follow the laws of the state,Or ask for Corporate's #.That would be great.

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Did you give your boss a copy of the handout? If not, print a copy found here:

http://home.comcast.net/~gosirr/Brochure10-29-08a.doc

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Thanks,I've tried but my pc is having issues opening those links :?

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DarksLight2002 wrote:

Thanks,I've tried but my pc is having issues opening those links :?

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Sent you a PM with info.

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Update: Walmart has new "CARRY" policy.
According to a phone conversation I just had with Chris Carter, corp. "policy" maker; He said after consulting with the company attorney's, they have determined....

"We will continue to comply with the laws of the state, but if a complaint is made the person will either have to cover the gun or remove it from the store".

So I asked if my understanding of this policy is..
"Open carry is ok if no one complains. But if a complaint is made I have to cover it up or leave the store".

He acknowledged and said yes.
So there you have it as I was told. Walmart's new policy is still which ever the way the wind blows at the time. So if you OC without a problem, good for you but keep in mind it may change day to day. In the Owosso superstore anyway.

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WARCHILD wrote:

Update: Walmart has new "CARRY" policy.
According to a phone conversation I just had with Chris Carter, corp. "policy" maker; He said after consulting with the company attorney's, they have determined....

"We will continue to comply with the laws of the state, but if a complaint is made the person will either have to cover the gun or remove it from the store".

So I asked if my understanding of this policy is..
"Open carry is ok if no one complains. But if a complaint is made I have to cover it up or leave the store".

He acknowledged and said yes.
So there you have it as I was told. Walmart's new policy is still which ever the way the wind blows at the time. So if you OC without a problem, good for you but keep in mind it may change day to day. In the Owosso superstore anyway.

Thank you,I e-mailed your link & the page for corporate policies page
to our store so they can forward it to our DBM

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Is this "leave the store" policy for a definite time-period? Say I go into the store, they ask me to cover or leave, and I come back in say 20 minutes (hoping the complainant is gone). Is this what they mean? Or is it for 1 calendar day? Or is it something where I could leave the store, go to my car, sit a few minutes, and then return (making the manager's job difficult, to say the least). I am not advocating this as a "nice" thing to do, just thinking. So, is there a notion of "time" involved with being asked to leave?

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Well, that's the confusion. It's up to each store manager's decision. At the Owosso store I was informed I can no longer OC while in the store. That's what prompted the corp. contact.
His answer stands as posted, no negotiation.
So any future trips I make to the Owosso store will be CC or leave. And since I have been notified they may opt to just call 911 for trespass.... who knows?

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WARCHILD wrote:

Well, that's the confusion. It's up to each store manager's decision. At the Owosso store I was informed I can no longer OC while in the store. That's what prompted the corp. contact.
His answer stands as posted, no negotiation.
So any future trips I make to the Owosso store will be CC or leave. And since I have been notified they may opt to just call 911 for trespass.... who knows?

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I'd just inform them that all of my shopping will be done at their neighbor's: Meijer and Target. Between the two, you can generally get what you need (Most all you can get at Meijer, but sometimes Target has better prices).

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So if I complain to the manager that someone smells really bad, even though they have a right to not take a shower, will they ask that person to leave as well? What if they have really scary looking teeth, use your imagination from here...

This may be a battle that needs to be fought. I know the confusion is not just in Owosso or Michigan. I saw a thread in Utah where people were very confused as well.

Perhaps someone that has authority to speak on behalf ofall 4,400+members of OCOD might take an interest in reasoning with this company. Unfortunately though, this only leaves two candidates who are also very busy...

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JeffSayers wrote:

So if I complain to the manager that someone smells really bad, even though they have a right to not take a shower, will they ask that person to leave as well? What if they have really scary looking teeth, use your imagination from here...

This may be a battle that needs to be fought. I know the confusion is not just in Owosso or Michigan. I saw a thread in Utah where people were very confused as well.

Perhaps someone that has authority to speak on behalf ofall 4,400+members of OCOD might take an interest in reasoning with this company. Unfortunately though, this only leaves two candidates who are also very busy...

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I see no mention in the US Const. listed "The people have the right to eschew bathing, and the right to eschew bathing shall not be infringed"

I was in a store in GR last summer, a man came in and as he walked by me, I could DEFINITELY smell his presence. I thought it was just me, as my friends think that I have an "insane" nose (I claim I can smell deer within about 30-50 yards of my position in the field) so, I thought it was just me being a little sensitive. About 5 minutes later, I saw the man being escorted out, with the manager telling him he could return when he "didn't stink". So, I guess my response is that some stores do remove people for not bathing.

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DrTodd wrote:

JeffSayers wrote:

So if I complain to the manager that someone smells really bad, even though they have a right to not take a shower, will they ask that person to leave as well? What if they have really scary looking teeth, use your imagination from here...

This may be a battle that needs to be fought. I know the confusion is not just in Owosso or Michigan. I saw a thread in Utah where people were very confused as well.

Perhaps someone that has authority to speak on behalf ofall 4,400+members of OCOD might take an interest in reasoning with this company. Unfortunately though, this only leaves two candidates who are also very busy...

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I see no mention in the US Const. listed "The people have the right to eschew bathing, and the right to eschew bathing shall not be infringed"

I was in a store in GR last summer, a man came in and as he walked by me, I could DEFINITELY smell his presence. I thought it was just me, as my friends think that I have an "insane" nose (I claim I can smell deer within about 30-50 yards of my position in the field) so, I thought it was just me being a little sensitive. About 5 minutes later, I saw the man being escorted out, with the manager telling him he could return when he "didn't stink". So, I guess my response is that some stores do remove people for not bathing.

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Well I'll be...

Added KMART policy

Last time I was at a babies r us and toy r us they were both posted as no carry.

Updated again.

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