Coporate policies on OC

Venator · Jan 23, 2009

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If you have other policies please PM me details and I will update them. I also posted this in the Michigan info thread;

Corporate policies on Open Carry.

Cabelas:
Policy is to follow the law of the state the store located.
Thank you for the recent email. I am very sorry for the confusion that took place at our retail location. Our corporate office has taken action in regards to the below mentioned issue and here is what has been decided. We have made the decision to comply with state laws in regards to open carry. We do not ask customers to check concealed or open carry weapons where the state has laws governing this situation. Our signs refer to firearms that are being returned or sold to Cabela's.
If you are still having problems please feel free to let us know
Thanks again, Becky, Lead Associate Cabela's Retail Information 1-800-905-2731 retail.contactgroup@cabelas.com
Bass Pro. Inc. Open Carry Welcome!

OpenCarry.org (OCDO) is pleased to announce that Bass Pro Inc. advised OCDO co-founder Mike Stollenwerk by telephone today that open carry of holstered handguns is as welcome as concealed carry provided all federal and state laws are followed. Bass Pro’s Manager of Communications Larry L. Whiteley asked OCDO OpenCarry.org is pleased that Bass Pro. joins both Sportsmens’ Warehouse and Cabelas in clarifying to OpenCarry.org that open carry is welcome in their stores as a matter of corporate policy.

Walmart

Policy is to follow the law of the state the store located. Customer Service1-800-Wal-Mart (1-800-925-6278) Questions regarding a Wal-Mart Store issue 702 SW 8th Street Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. Bentonville, Arkansas 72716-8611 Email contact link: http://walmartstores.com/contactus/feedback.aspx
Email contact link: http://walmartstores.com/contactus/feedback.aspx
Audio of Walmart Policy: Walmart_Firearm_Policy_Call.mp3

LOWE'S
Thank you for giving Lowe's the opportunity to respond to your concerns regarding our policy on firearms in our stores. Lowe's currently does, and will continue to abide by federal, state and local laws regarding firearms, and we do not prohibit customers from carrying firearms into our stores. Our first and foremost concern is for the safety of our customers, however; we take all comments and concerns from our customers seriously. We are considerate of all customers, and will remain neutral regarding the right to carry firearms. We will respect federal, state and local laws regarding this.
If Lowe's can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to call 1-866-284-8989 or email execustservice@lowes.com. You may also contact us by mailing your correspondence to P.O. Box 1111, Mail Code CON8, North Wilkesboro, North Carolina 28659.
Thank you, Julie Holloway, Lowe's Executive Customer Service

Home Depot.

Policy is to follow the law of the state the store located.
http://www.tennesseefirearms.com/law_regs/postedletters/homedepo.pdf
Customer care number. 1-800-430-3376
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 06:13:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: "HD Consumer Affairs" <hdconsumeraffairs@homedepot.com>

BEST BUY'S:

from Customer Contact CustomerContact@bestbuy.com
date Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:31 PM
subject Best Buy Gun policy - X
mailed-by bestbuy.com

Best Buy strives to comply with all applicable law and statues. Best Buy also strives to provide a safe and comfortable shopping environment for all our customers. Best Buy does not ban guns at our retail locations. As a general rule, Best Buy does not post “no guns allowed” signs in our stores and we are not aware of any individual stores that might have posted such a sign.

BOB EVANS:

From:Garrett_Hajes@bobevans.com
Bob Evans - Reference # 536155

We certainly appreciate you taking the time to e-mail regarding our Bob Evans Restaurants. Bob Evans follows all local, state, and federal laws pertaining to firearms. Please contact your local Bob Evans restaurants for the specific regulations. Again, Mr. Spice, we appreciate your comments. We value your patronage and appreciate your interest in Bob Evans Farms Inc.

Barnes & Noble

To: X
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:42 PM
Subject: Barnes & Noble
Thank you for your email.

...Barnes & Noble complies with the law and, except where prohibited by law, does not prohibit its customers from carrying handguns or other firearms in a Barnes & Noble store in accordance with the laws of the state in which a store is located.

Sincerely, Mary Ausman MJAusman@bn.com
Supervisor, Customer Retention
Barnes & Noble, Inc. 122 Fifth Avenue New York, NY 10011
tel: (800) 422-7717 fax: (212)352.3660 http://www.barnesandnobleinc.com

Alliance Foods, Inc. (Save-A-Lot):

Policy is to follow state law.
Loren Doty
Director of Retail Operations
Alliance Foods Inc.
517-278-2396 ext 1267

Golden Coral

Follows state law

White Castle

Dear Mr. Xxxxxxxx:
Thank you for your complimentary response concerning your recent
visit to our Lansing White Castle.
Please be advised that our policy regarding firearms is that we follow
all State and Federal guidelines/laws and we would expect our customers
to do the same.
We hope that you will continue to be a loyal White Castle Craver.
Thank you,
White Castle Management

Dicks Sporting Goods

Mr. XXXX,
Thank you for contacting Dick's Sporting Goods.
Our stores comply with state laws and, in some cases, where we are a tenant as an anchor store, those mall restrictions if any exists.
Jean Taggart,Manager of Customer Engagement

K-MART
Dear Valued Customer,

Thank you for your recent correspondence. We are always interested in
hearing from our customers, and regret it was this type of situation
that prompted you to contact us.

Our corporate policy regarding customers who openly carry firearms on
our store premises is that as long as the law of the state, in which our
store is located, legally permits the open carrying of firearms (i.e.
carrying a firearm on one's person in plain sight), customers will be
permitted to openly carry firearms within our stores.

By sharing your concerns, you have enabled us to provide feedback to the
appropriate person. Truly, your remarks provide forthright feedback
that will enable Sears to achieve excellence in everything we do.

Once again, thank you for contacting us.

Sincerely,
Jennifer G.,
Retail Customer Care
Sears Holdings Corporation

Sears

Subject: RE: Request for fire arm/weapon policy

Our corporate policy regarding customers who openly carry firearms on our store premises is that as long as the law of the state in which our store is located legally permits the open carrying of firearms (i.e. carrying a firearm on one's person in plain sight), customers will be permitted to openly carry firearms within our stores.

Emerald Sloan
Blue Ribbon Service Case Manager
Sears Holdings Corporation
Toll Free: 1-888-266-4043 extension 75
Email: BlueRibbonService2@searshc.com

LOWE'S

Dear XXXX XXXX:

Thank you for giving Lowe's the opportunity to respond to your concerns regarding our policy on firearms in our stores.

Lowe's currently does, and will continue to abide by federal, state and local laws regarding firearms, and we do not prohibit customers from carrying firearms into our stores.

Our first and foremost concern is for the safety of our customers, however; we take all comments and concerns from our customers seriously. We are considerate of all customers, and will remain neutral regarding the right to carry firearms. We will respect federal, state and local laws regarding this.

If Lowe's can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to call 1-866-284-8989 or email execustservice@lowes.com. You may also contact us by mailing your correspondence to P.O. Box 1111, Mail Code CON8, North Wilkesboro, North Carolina 28659.

Thank you,
Julie Holloway
Lowe's Executive Customer Service

Home Depot.

Policy is to follow the law of the state the store located.
http://www.tennesseefirearms.com/law_regs/postedletters/homedepo.pdf

Customer care number. 1-800-430-3376
Contact link: http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ContentView?pn=Contact_Us&langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

Recieved this from Jerry. Seems to contradict the letter.

Date:Fri, 6 Jun 2008 06:13:57 -0400 (EDT)
From:"HD Consumer Affairs" <hdconsumeraffairs@homedepot.com>
To:
Subject: Re: Other Website Questions

Dear Jerry,
The Home Depot Customer Care is in receipt of your email. We appreciate you taking the time to email us. Our general policy is not to ban customers from carrying firearms on the Home Depot property in those states having a concealed firearm law, provided they are carrying the firearm in accordance with the applicable laws.
If the firearm is not concealed in accordance with the carrying permit (typically that means concealed and cannot be seen by members of the public), it is up to the manager based on personal comfort level to approach the individual directly and request them to leave the premises or to contact local law enforcement for purposes of having the individual removed. Thank you for contacting us.
Sincerely,
Ricky
Customer Care

PilotPTK · Jan 23, 2009

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This needs a Sticky so we can keep adding to it. Local managers are often just as uninformed about their corporate policies as LEOs are about the law (or lack of it).

Ben

Venator · Jan 23, 2009

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I put itin the info sticky so I can modify as people PM me with new info. It's near the bottom of the first page.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/13328.html

taxwhat · Jan 24, 2009

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A GREAT job by a really cute handsome guy .................................................................my wife says ..........................................................................................................................................................he do not got no pony tail ,,,,,,,,,and I am telling ?

Venator · Jan 24, 2009

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taxwhat wrote:

A GREAT job by a really cute handsome guy .................................................................my wife says ..........................................................................................................................................................he do not got no pony tail ,,,,,,,,,and I am telling ?

I heard this from a neighbor that that pony tailed guy you mentioned was born in Bath, MI and lived about two blocks from my house. His dad was a teacher at Bath schools. They moved to California in 1953 when he was 3 years old. The neighbor bought the house from them at that time and have lived there since. That ought to get the wife going.

SpringerXDacp · Jan 27, 2009

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The Career Alliance building consists of the MTB (Michigan Talent Bank)/The Michigan Works, MRS (Michigan Rehabilitation Services) and isposted (No Firearms) on the main entrance doors. Other than the posted doors, I'm not exactly sure of the policies there.

If the building is owned/maintained by the State of Michigan then 123.1102 should apply, at least for non-employees. The last time I was there I mentioned the invalid/illegal sign on the doorper 123.1102 to an employee and she basically told me-in a very nice way-that I was full of sh!t.

Administrative Office

711 N. Saginaw St.
Suite 300
Flint, MI 48503

Director: Alicia Booker
WDB Chair: Jim King
CEO: Woodrow Stanley
Phone: 810-233-5974
E-mail: admin@careeralliance.org
Web Site: http://www.careeralliance.org

http://www.michiganworks.org/page.cfm/56/

Venator · Jan 27, 2009

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I'll call tomorrow. It seems they are a government agency. The only thing I have a question on at this time is do they have a daycare or K-12 school in the building. If so then perhaps they can ban firearms. If not they can't unless they are a private non-profit org.

Below is from their website. Underline is mine.

[align=justify]Michigan Works™ Career Alliance, Inc. is one of 25 agencies in the State of Michigan designed to provide comprehensive workforce development programs. As part of the Michigan Works™ system, Career Alliance, Inc. provides services to the universal population. Employers, students, persons with disabilities, veterans, welfare recipients, underemployed and unemployed individuals will have equal access to services. These services are available free of charge, to all that seek them. Click one of the links below to see the services offered in our building. [/align]

SpringerXDacp · Jan 27, 2009

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Venator wrote:

SpringerXDacp wrote:

The Career Alliance building consists of the MTB (Michigan Talent Bank)/The Michigan Works, MRS (Michigan Rehabilitation Services) and isposted (No Firearms) on the main entrance doors. Other than the posted doors, I'm not exactly sure of the policies there.

If the building is owned/maintained by the State of Michigan then 123.1102 should apply, at least for non-employees. The last time I was there I mentioned the invalid/illegal sign on the doorper 123.1102 to an employee and she basically told me-in a very nice way-that I was full of sh!t.

Administrative Office

711 N. Saginaw St.
Suite 300
Flint, MI 48503

Director: Alicia Booker
WDB Chair: Jim King
CEO: Woodrow Stanley
Phone: 810-233-5974
E-mail: admin@careeralliance.org
Web Site: http://www.careeralliance.org

http://www.michiganworks.org/page.cfm/56/

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I'll call tomorrow. It seems they are a government agency. The only thing I have a question on at this time is do they have a daycare or K-12 school in the building. If so then perhaps they can ban firearms. If not they can't unless they are a private non-profit org.

Below is from their website. Underline is mine.

[align=justify]Michigan Works™ Career Alliance, Inc. is one of 25 agencies in the State of Michigan designed to provide comprehensive workforce development programs. As part of the Michigan Works™ system, Career Alliance, Inc. provides services to the universal population. Employers, students, persons with disabilities, veterans, welfare recipients, underemployed and unemployed individuals will have equal access to services. These services are available free of charge, to all that seek them. Click one of the links below to see the services offered in our building. [/align]

They do offer daycare services (3-5yo) and IIRC it's not located in the building/property. No K-12 that I'm aware of.

The gal I spoke to had no intentions whatsoever of hearing me out on the issue.

ETA:At the time, I did not want to push it. After all, they are trying to assist me with job placement and I really don't want to cut my own throat here. If not for that I would have contacted them by now to determine exactly what the deal is with the signage.

Taurus850CIA · Jan 27, 2009

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Oakland County records department has a sign that states "Attention CPL holders: All firearms must be unloaded..." It appears to be the only public entrance. Isn't this a public building also?

ETA: It is part of a complex, and shares walls with other departments. One has to do with corrections. There are frequently inmates being transfered between buildings just outside the door.

SpringerXDacp · Jan 27, 2009

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Taurus850CIA wrote:

Oakland County records department has a sign that states "Attention CPL holders: All firearms must be unloaded..." It appears to be the only public entrance. Isn't this a public building also?

ETA: It is part of a complex, and shares walls with other departments. One has to do with corrections. There are frequently inmates being transfered between buildings just outside the door.

Even GCSD transfers inmates within the building in areas that are not "secured areas" where you are legal to carry.

And I thought "Attention CPL holders: All firearms must be unloaded..." was only seen at gun shows.

Taurus850CIA · Jan 27, 2009

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More than once I've arrived to see inmates in the parking lot, once apparently un-escorted. I'm supposed to leave my firearms in the car here? What are they thinking?

Venator · Feb 3, 2009

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SpringerXDacp wrote:

The Career Alliance building consists of the MTB (Michigan Talent Bank)/The Michigan Works, MRS (Michigan Rehabilitation Services) and isposted (No Firearms) on the main entrance doors. Other than the posted doors, I'm not exactly sure of the policies there.

If the building is owned/maintained by the State of Michigan then 123.1102 should apply, at least for non-employees. The last time I was there I mentioned the invalid/illegal sign on the doorper 123.1102 to an employee and she basically told me-in a very nice way-that I was full of sh!t.

Administrative Office

711 N. Saginaw St.
Suite 300
Flint, MI 48503

Director: Alicia Booker
WDB Chair: Jim King
CEO: Woodrow Stanley
Phone: 810-233-5974
E-mail: admin@careeralliance.org
Web Site: http://www.careeralliance.org

http://www.michiganworks.org/page.cfm/56/

Received this nice letter from their attorney. Apparently he has visited some website I have posted on. I like his unnecessary warning, as if I would patronize an anti-gun corporation like theirs.

Good afternoon Mr. Jeffs,
I am the attorney for Career Alliance. Ms. Goble forwarded to me your inquiry about Career Alliance's prohibition on guns at its sites. Career Alliance is not a governmental body but a non-profit corporation incorporated under the laws of this state. It has the same property rights that are vested in every other private person. As you have pointed out on at least one web site. "Private property rules over-ride state law in regards to firearm possession."
While I understand your prior confusion on this point you are now aware of Career Alliance's status and are on notice not to appear on its property carrying any weapon. Should you do so you may be charged criminally.
If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.

Peter Goodstein

452 S. Saginaw St.Suite 302 Flint, MI 48502USA (810) 232-0553

This is what I wrote back.

Thank you for clarifying my inquiry. This is what I wanted to know. One of our members thought you were a government agency and therefore preemption might apply.

As for your notice of carrying a weapon in your facility rest assured I don't patronize anti-gun corporation, regardless, I respect private property rights even though some companies don't respect mine.

taxwhat · Feb 3, 2009

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Venator wrote:

SpringerXDacp wrote:

The Career Alliance building consists of the MTB (Michigan Talent Bank)/The Michigan Works, MRS (Michigan Rehabilitation Services) and isposted (No Firearms) on the main entrance doors. Other than the posted doors, I'm not exactly sure of the policies there.

If the building is owned/maintained by the State of Michigan then 123.1102 should apply, at least for non-employees. The last time I was there I mentioned the invalid/illegal sign on the doorper 123.1102 to an employee and she basically told me-in a very nice way-that I was full of sh!t.

Administrative Office

711 N. Saginaw St.
Suite 300
Flint, MI 48503

Director: Alicia Booker
WDB Chair: Jim King
CEO: Woodrow Stanley
Phone: 810-233-5974
E-mail: admin@careeralliance.org
Web Site: http://www.careeralliance.org

http://www.michiganworks.org/page.cfm/56/

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Received this nice letter from their attorney. Apparently he has visited some website I have posted on. I like his unnecessary warning, as if I would patronize an anti-gun corporation like theirs.

Good afternoon Mr. Jeffs,
I am the attorney for Career Alliance. Ms. Goble forwarded to me your inquiry about Career Alliance's prohibition on guns at its sites. Career Alliance is not a governmental body but a non-profit corporation incorporated under the laws of this state. It has the same property rights that are vested in every other private person. As you have pointed out on at least one web site. "Private property rules over-ride state law in regards to firearm possession."
While I understand your prior confusion on this point you are now aware of Career Alliance's status and are on notice not to appear on its property carrying any weapon. Should you do so you may be charged criminally.
If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.

Peter Goodstein

452 S. Saginaw St.Suite 302 Flint, MI 48502USA (810) 232-0553

This will give him something to think about ! There is a new ruling on Malls ,inclosed strip stores are but extensions of public sidewalks and afforded same rights had to do with street preachers and war protesters . Have some buds at ren-ren will check ,all of you out there should too !

Venator · Feb 10, 2009

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Added a letter from Lowe's and Toy-R-US, thanks to xd-40.

ISMOID · Feb 10, 2009

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I called Kohl's corporate number to inquire about thier firearms policy and was sent to their loss prevention department. They told me that they, Kohl's, does not have a corporate policy regarding firearms but that I should check with my local authorities for firearms regulations.

Kohl's Corporate Number: 262.703.7000

Michigander · Feb 10, 2009

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I think we need to go after chain restaurants that don't serve alcohol. Burger King, Wendy's, McDonalds, Subway, places like that. If we could have printable proof from different corporate big shots that OC is in line with rules at places like that, it would be a great way to encourage people to go out and OC. I've never been kicked out of anywhere but Hungry Howies in Glendale, but still, it would be nice to have pocketable proof for stubborn managers.

zigziggityzoo · Feb 10, 2009

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Michigander wrote:

I think we need to go after chain restaurants that don't serve alcohol. Burger King, Wendy's, McDonalds, Subway, places like that. If we could have printable proof from different corporate big shots that OC is in line with rules at places like that, it would be a great way to encourage people to go out and OC. I've never been kicked out of anywhere but Hungry Howies in Glendale, but still, it would be nice to have pocketable proof for stubborn managers.

I personally find it better to ask for forgiveness than permission. Now, if we run into problems at a specific location, then fine, let's get their position on the matter. Otherwise, why stir up the bees nest?

taxwhat · Feb 10, 2009

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zigziggityzoo wrote:

Michigander wrote:

I think we need to go after chain restaurants that don't serve alcohol. Burger King, Wendy's, McDonalds, Subway, places like that. If we could have printable proof from different corporate big shots that OC is in line with rules at places like that, it would be a great way to encourage people to go out and OC. I've never been kicked out of anywhere but Hungry Howies in Glendale, but still, it would be nice to have pocketable proof for stubborn managers.

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I personally find it better to ask for forgiveness than permission. Now, if we run into problems at a specific location, then fine, let's get their position on the matter. Otherwise, why stir up the bees nest?

Just the ones I know . McDonald is franchised owned by McDonald INC. Its there way or highway ,every thing to company specs . No variances no outside vendor you pay fee for name ,cups ,etc .To many verified components not handled by frankee corporate pulls plug down come sigs and all McDee products out of business . Some Mc D s are wholly owned garnishee just uses and pays for same . BK only owns name you own everything ,don't do it there way highway and you own a lot of stuff you cant do anything with . See a lot of old McD and BK now some thing else !

SpringerXDacp · Feb 10, 2009

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zigziggityzoo wrote:

Michigander wrote:

I think we need to go after chain restaurants that don't serve alcohol. Burger King, Wendy's, McDonalds, Subway, places like that. If we could have printable proof from different corporate big shots that OC is in line with rules at places like that, it would be a great way to encourage people to go out and OC. I've never been kicked out of anywhere but Hungry Howies in Glendale, but still, it would be nice to have pocketable proof for stubborn managers.

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I personally find it better to ask for forgiveness than permission. Now, if we run into problems at a specific location, then fine, let's get their position on the matter. Otherwise, why stir up the bees nest?

I agree. Asking corporate fordocumentation that allows carry (OC or CC) on their properties may instigate a need/requirement for them to turn their properties into CPZ's. However, as Michigander suggested, it would be nice to have "etched in stone" documentation fromthe corporations proving lawful carry to the anti management.

taxwhat · Feb 11, 2009

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SpringerXDacp wrote:

zigziggityzoo wrote:

Michigander wrote:

I think we need to go after chain restaurants that don't serve alcohol. Burger King, Wendy's, McDonalds, Subway, places like that. If we could have printable proof from different corporate big shots that OC is in line with rules at places like that, it would be a great way to encourage people to go out and OC. I've never been kicked out of anywhere but Hungry Howies in Glendale, but still, it would be nice to have pocketable proof for stubborn managers.

Click to expand...

I personally find it better to ask for forgiveness than permission. Now, if we run into problems at a specific location, then fine, let's get their position on the matter. Otherwise, why stir up the bees nest?

Click to expand...

I agree. Asking corporate fordocumentation that allows carry (OC or CC) on their properties may instigate a need/requirement for them to turn their properties into CPZ's. However, as Michigander suggested, it would be nice to have "etched in stone" documentation fromthe corporations proving lawful carry to the anti management.

Bad Laws make Bad corporate Decisions for Good People !

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