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    OK, I asked this in the Ohio forums and the answer was yes, for me to OC in Ohio as a Florida CCW holder.

    Now it would appear that I'll be in some counties near Pittsburgh coming up in April and was wondering the same thing.

    Is it legal for an out of state CCW holder to open carry in Pennsylvania?

    I've got the relevant firearms booklet from the state of Ohio and was wondering if there is something similar for PA?

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    It's not illegal to open carry in Pennsylvania without a license (except in Philadelphia or in a motor vehicle). The law, actually, is silent on open carry. That being said, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court says it's legal throughout the Commonwealth.

    Doesn't matter if you're a Pennsylvania resident, an Ohio resident, or even a resident of New Jersey. Since no license is needed for open carry (except what I already mentioned), any restrictions on out-of-staters would violate the 14th Amendment.

    Sorry, Pennsylvania does not issue any sort of booklet such as Ohio's. However, you can get a flyer downloaded from the www.paopencarry.org website.

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    And I believe that your FL permit is good in PA. It certainly covers carrying/transporting in a car and I am almost sure you have the right to concealed carry under PA reciprocity with FL. If that is the case you are also legal to carry, open or concealed, in Philadelphia.

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    Thanks for the link and the information.

    I'm headed over to grab the PAOC information as we type.

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    I'm surprised that your Florida License covers carry in Ohio . . . I thought Ohio was pretty strict about carrying weapons, almost as strict as New York???

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    Troy,

    Ohio and Florida have reciprocity in CCW permits.
    Well, I got the booklet for Ohio and on page 18 it states.....

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    Reciprocity

    Ohio has agreements with other states to recognize one another’s concealed handgun licenses. Consult the Attorney General’s web site for the most recent list of agreements. Be aware the laws of the other state apply to you when you are in that state.


    Open Carry

    Ohio’s concealed carry laws do not regulate “open” carry of firearms.
    If you openly carry, use caution. The open carry of firearms is a legal activity in Ohio.

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    Farmer Troy wrote:
    I'm surprised that your Florida License covers carry in Ohio . . . I thought Ohio was pretty strict about carrying weapons, almost as strict as New York???
    Troy,

    Also, there was a time when I was even loath to drive through Ohio as the State Troopers were apparently trained sometime during the German occupation of Europe and it showed. I think you could go to jail for for not knowing the Ohio State bird or something.

    They appear to have gotten better in the intervening years since I left.

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    Statkowski wrote:
    It's not illegal to open carry in Pennsylvania without a license (except in Philadelphia or in a motor vehicle). The law, actually, is silent on open carry. That being said, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court says it's legal throughout the Commonwealth.
    Philly has a city bylaw or something that prohibits OC? What about CC?

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    buster81 wrote:
    Philly has a city bylaw or something that prohibits OC? What about CC?
    No. The state legislature is the only body with authority to regulate the possession and carry of firearms. State law requires a license to carry (in any manner) in a 'city of the first class.' Philadelphia is currently the only city of the first class in Pa.

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    gnbrotz wrote:
    Philadelphia is currently the only city of the first class in Pa.
    LOL there are just too many jokes to be made here...

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    Check out "handgunlaws.us". They can give more info & what states recognizes your CPL.

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    gnbrotz wrote:
    buster81 wrote:
    Philly has a city bylaw or something that prohibits OC? What about CC?
    No. The state legislature is the only body with authority to regulate the possession and carry of firearms. State law requires a license to carry (in any manner) in a 'city of the first class.' Philadelphia is currently the only city of the first class in Pa.
    For the record, PA law defines a "city of the first class" as one that has a population of 1,000,000 or more. Philly is the only city that meets the definition.

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    All,

    As an update to my original post, I spent the week in an area basically NE of Pittsburgh in an area called Tarentum. I elected to open carry when I went for some coffee and donuts at a local Dunkin Donuts.

    No problem at all. Walked both ways and had one police car drive by while walking uphill from the local Harley diner, but nothing was said. Probably didn't see the PPK on a high holster, right side.

    I did have one person who asked me for directions to a restaurant mention that I was wearing a gun. I said I didn't like carrying it in my pocket and that pretty much ended the conversation. We then continued with where to get breakfast. Very odd.

    Anyway, I open carried in four different restaurants with no apparent problems.

    My dress was long pants, golf shirt and reasonably clean shaven, except for my current short beard.

    Thanks for the pointers and links from earlier posters who showed me where to get the information for PA right here in the forum.

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    ADulay wrote:
    No problem at all. Walked both ways and had one police car drive by while walking uphill from the local Harley diner, but nothing was said. Probably didn't see the PPK on a high holster, right side.
    Well I hope there is never an unlawful detainment or arrest for open carry in Pittsburgh. Each commander knows very well heaven's furry will be released upon them. When I was harassed on the 4TH of JULY for open carrying, I made damn well sure an incident report was filed and followed up. In turn there was a big discussion on open carry and in regards to what officers may do.

    Right now I've informed them of the managers(both day and night shift) in zone 3 which are telling their officers to detain, ID, and question open carriers even if lawful.
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    Statkowski wrote:
    It's not illegal to open carry in Pennsylvania without a license (except in Philadelphia or in a motor vehicle).*
    What's the best way for an out-of-stater (MD) to transport a pistol, say, from MD to the place in PA at which he'd like to OC?

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    Galt wrote:
    Statkowski wrote:
    It's not illegal to open carry in Pennsylvania without a license (except in Philadelphia or in a motor vehicle).
    What's the best way for an out-of-stater (MD) to transport a pistol, say, from MD to the place in PA at which he'd like to OC?
    Do you go places just to OC?

    I'm not a lawyer. I'm just paraphrasing the law here:

    MD: Everywhere except a few places the firearm must be unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster."[§4-203 (b)(3)]

    PA: In a motor vehicle or concealed on your person the firearm must be unloaded and in a secure wrapper. [18 Pa.C.S. § 6106 (b)(8)]. Get a PA non-resident license to carry firearms to avoid that legal requirement.



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    virginiatuck wrote:
    Do you go places just to OC?
    No but if I can legally exercise that right, I will. Isn't that why we're all here?

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    Pa. recognizes ANY Lic./permit for vehicle carry.

    Non-Res. Pa. LTCF, requires you have a Lic./Permit from your home state.

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    Can you openly carry while driving in PA except for Philly,or is it pretty much like Ohio where unless you have a CCW then it has to be unloaded and in a container?

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    Can you openly carry while driving in PA except for Philly,or is it pretty much like Ohio where unless you have a CCW then it has to be unloaded and in a container?
    As the statute was previously cited, you can carry while driving in Pennsylvania if, and only if, you have a Pa. LTCF or a license/permit issued by another state. Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Scranton, Erie, wherever.

    If you do not have a Pa. LTCF or a license/permit issued by another state, you cannot "carry" a firearm in a vehicle, but may transport an unloaded firearm to/from a range, firearms dealer orfrom one residence to another. No deviations or stops en route.

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    I kinda figured that it was the same as ohio,but the no deviations in stop thing wow that stifles freedom. Wait so with out a LTCF you cannot just go to the store and shop and go home?
    Humm I guess Ohio isnt that bad after all

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    Every state is different. In Virginia, you cannot carry concealed in a place selling alcoholic beverages - so you're forced to open carry. In Pennsylvania, you can either concealed carry or open carry in such an establishment (restaurant, bar, whatever). Ohio, I believe, has certain restrictions on where you can carry that don't exist in Pennsylvania. Each state is different.

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    I guess the point which I didnt make clear was that I thought since its the next state over the laws wouldnt be universal but at least mostly similar.
    In ohio you still cannot carry in a place that serves alchohol unless your a bar worker or owner. I hope they pass a bill where I can go in an OC not drink and leave with no probs.
    Now if you do not any LTCF or CCW can you OC in PA?,I read the whole posting but that was a little foggy since the other gentleman already has a CCW.
    I really hope to get out to PITT soon that city is pretty cool.

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    You do not need to posess an LTCF or other recognized license/permit to open carry on foot.

    However, you do need to posess an LTCF (etc.) to carry in a vehicle (car, bus, bicycle, etc.), unless you're going directly to/from range/firearms dealer/one residence to another. If doing any of the latter, the firearm has to be empty, separated from the ammunition, and inaccessible to the driver. But, if you're with someone else and they have an LTCF (etc.), they can carry the firearm.

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    Ahh ok that makes alot more sense it just seemed a little weird that there would be some going to a range clause.
    Seems as if that law is pretty much the same as ohio. Now the meaning of going to and from a range I dont understand the point of that. Is that just to make sure people are within the law even if they accidently left a bullet in tha chamber whn they are coming back fromt he range?
    It just seems a little weird.

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