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    I will give $25 to Brad Krause's attorney of record at his escrow account. Please post the same.

    Believe nothing you read or hear without verifying it yourself unless it fits your preexisting worldview.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    I will give $25 to Brad Krause's attorney of record at his escrow account. Please post the same.

    Believe nothing you read or hear without verifying it yourself unless it fits your preexisting worldview.
    QFT

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/20462.html

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    Partial re-post from the other thread

    Thomas Jefferson:
    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    When Brad wins WE ALL WIN. This is the best case of winning I have seen in a long time....his OWN property....no criminal record....minding his own business....the neighbor who called the police testified that he was not aware of anybody else who was disturbed....

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    I agree. It is unfortunate that another drum is being beaten.

    I will give $25 to Brad Krause's attorney of record's escrow account to help with Brad's legal expenses. I will not risk this being hijacked as was .a previous appeal.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    I agree. It is unfortunate that another drum is being beaten.

    I will give $25 to Brad Krause's attorney of record's escrow account to help with Brad's legal expenses. I will not risk this being hijacked as was .a previous appeal.
    QFT

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    Parabellum wrote:
    This is not what Brad wanted. He wanted the Patriots to keep an accounting of the funds. Stop trying to derail efforts made by the Patriots. Brad is a WI Patriot, and has been one long before myself. Your dislike of Gene is clouding your judgement. You are doing great harm to the credibility of the Patriots at a time when they are the ONLY organization helping Brad out. The WI Patriots are nothing more than a group of people, a mechanic, a scientist, a technician, a handgun trainer, a driver, an IT Specilist, and others individuals all with their own ideas of what should be the ultimate goal. Gene is but one voice, he is not the official leader and has been disagreed with many times and his ideas have been rejected as well on occasion. Brad was one of the individuals who disagreed with Gene when Gene and I had our "discussion". Brad and I both ask you, PLEASE STOP. The time to derail Gene is not yet at hand(in fact, now is the worst time to derail his efforts). And by the way, Gene was stopped from incorporating the WI Patriots into his oranization.
    Do not abuse my Private Messages in box. I conduct no adversarial business 'in private' but only in the full light of public attention.

    ETA much later: The moderator knows well that this is his site and that I do not quibble with his right and power to delete anything he wishes. You will have to convince me here in public of why I should delete a message from my inbox

    I trusted and complied with the request, from this same gang of artful dodgers, for county resolution petitions and verified that the request was not made in good faith = FAIL. Tell me how this is different.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    I agree. It is unfortunate that another drum is being beaten.

    I will give $25 to Brad Krause's attorney of record's escrow account to help with Brad's legal expenses. I will not risk this being hijacked as was .a previous appeal.
    QFT

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    I trusted and complied with the request, from this same gang of artful dodgers, for county resolution petitions and verified that the request was not made in good faith = FAIL.
    What is the issue with the petitions???

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    fepowered wrote:
    What is the issue with the petitions???
    There is no issue, the petitions went to every county in the state and at least one has passed the resolution. Doug just seems to be searching for anything to cling to his distrust of Gene and the Patriots.

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    People. "Can't we just get along"? Let me post Article I section 3 of the Wisconsin constitution. "Every person may speak freely. write and publish his sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of that right, and no laws shall be passed to restrain or abridge the liberty of speech or the press". Certainly Article I section 3 is as valuable and cherished as Article I section 25, is it not?

    Whether we dislike someone or something, or disagree with specific tactics those feelings must give way to our common cause. Only when there is free discussion and open opinions and when "all the cards are on the table" can a proper solution to any problem be found.

    "United we stand. Divided we fall".

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    smithman wrote:
    Doug just seems to be searching for anything to cling to his distrust of Gene and the Patriots.
    Yes, just as I cling to my guns and Bible. Prejudice and bigotry are born of experience and not easily let go and certainly not from honeyed words.

    I will give $25 to Brad Krause's attorney of record's escrow account to help with Brad's legal expenses. I will not risk this being hijacked as was .a previous appeal.
    Such a simple demand.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
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    Doug just seems to be searching for anything to cling to his distrust of Gene and the Patriots.
    Yes, just as I cling to my guns and Bible. Prejudice and bigotry are born of experience and not easily let go and certainly not from honeyed words.

    I will give $25 to Brad Krause's attorney of record's escrow account to help with Brad's legal expenses. I will not risk this being hijacked as was .a previous appeal.
    Such a simple demand.
    You are being an ass. It really isn't effective at accomplishing anything except highlighting that fact.
    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

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    Pointman wrote:
    Since only one signature from Washington Island was submitted (his), he apparently betrayed anyone who trusted him to submit their signature and shredded their efforts.
    Neither I nor my County Supervisor neighbor know that or the number from Door County. Provide a publicly accessible URL citation or be further known a liar.

    Further, I met with each of my signatories and apologized while explaining the situation.

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    But that does inspire a good idea; a Open Records/FOIA demand for all correspondence containing the words or reasonably relating to the topic of 'gun', 'guns', 'firearm', 'firearms', Wisconsin Constitution Article I Section 25 or COTUS BoR 2A.

    Despite the acrimony, thanks for the good idea.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    Neither I nor my County Supervisor neighbor know that or the number from Door County. Provide a publicly accessible URL citation or be further known a liar.

    Further, I met with each of my signatories and apologized while explaining the situation.
    What piece of this puzzle am I missing? If all of the signatures were initially on a single form, why could they not be submitted together??? Why would you have to appologize to them???

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    What the hell? Has this Wisconsin section of the forum deteriorated to the point that it is a "bash Doug Huffman" forum. He, as does any of us, has the right to his opinions and concerns. Let's get this forum back on track before Mike shuts it down.

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    Lammie wrote:
    What the hell? Has this Wisconsin section of the forum deteriorated to the point that it is a "bash Doug Huffman" forum. He, as does any of us, has the right to his opinions and concerns. Let's get this forum back on track before Mike shuts it down.
    DAM RIGHT Lammie. UNITED WE STAND DEVIDED WE FALL!!!! It is that simple..


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    Double post??


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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    I will give $25 to Brad Krause's attorney of record at his escrow account. Please post the same.

    Believe nothing you read or hear without verifying it yourself unless it fits your preexisting worldview.
    Add two or three zero's after the 5 and we'll be happy to jump through your hoops.

    It would cost us more for the attorney to do the accounting than you are willing to donate, so if you can't send it to me like everyone else, just keep your money.

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    ccwtrainer wrote:
    It would cost us more for the attorney to do the accounting than you are willing to donate, so if you can't send it to me like everyone else, just keep your money.
    I can't believe you said this. I would think you would be pleased with every dollar you received. That stupid statement probably cost you a number of donations.




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    Lammie wrote:
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    It would cost us more for the attorney to do the accounting than you are willing to donate, so if you can't send it to me like everyone else, just keep your money.
    I can't believe you said this. I would think you would be pleased with every dollar you received. That stupid statement probably cost you a number of donations.
    Pay to play politics is the NRA way.

    An attorney has to pay for the accounting of his escrow account however large or small, busy or idle. It is exactly this protection that I am demanding. 'Protection' from hijacking the funds.

    I wonder who is the "us" that is divided from the 'we' that might contribute.

    I may be in contact with the attorney and, if given permission, will post the information.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
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    It would cost us more for the attorney to do the accounting than you are willing to donate, so if you can't send it to me like everyone else, just keep your money.
    I can't believe you said this. I would think you would be pleased with every dollar you received. That stupid statement probably cost you a number of donations.
    Pay to play politics is the NRA way.

    An attorney has to pay for the accounting of his escrow account however large or small, busy or idle. It is exactly this protection that I am demanding. 'Protection' from hijacking the funds.

    I wonder who is the "us" that is divided from the 'we' that might contribute.

    I may be in contact with the attorney and, if given permission, will post the information.
    The escrow account belongs to the client, so what is to say Brad does not divert the funds and give it to the causes you do not like, Doug?

    I really think this whole thread you started is plainly disruptive - not constructive criticism, which by the way, does not have to be nice criticism - after all, a lot of us including the Georgia Carry lawyer-organizers have criticised the Wisconsin efforts on a variety of grounds and we are not backing down. But that does not mean its OK to beat on everybody and everything.

    It would appear that the criminal case against brad is weak or non-existent. it also appears some press folks are getting educted and waking up. Planning forward, where is the first Spring open carry picnic in Wisconsin?

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    Mike wrote:
    The escrow account belongs to the client, so what is to say Brad does not divert the funds and give it to the causes you do not like, Doug?
    Brad is welcome to use his funds as he will. I like Brad's 'cause'. If Brad will reward Gene German for his efforts that's fine. I'm sure that is what Gene German expects, if not money then notoriety. I disagree but that's the cost of doing this business.

    I do not 'like' the cause of the continuing proliferation of spokesperson-entities for gun advocacy in Wisconsin. I've had a bellyfull of NRA, WCCA, WGO, WPM, and finally the self-named Wisconsin Patriots (as though anyone that isn't isn't).

    But my brief experience as a non-professional employee of a general practice firm in SC informs me that the attorney maintains an escrow account for funds apart from his business funds. I could be wrong.

    But it is my little bit of money over which I have control.

    ETA much later 1036; A Wisconsin attorney is not required to maintain an escrow account. If he does so then there are "many hoops to jump through". Not only may I control my dollars, but also my signature petitioning redress of grievance and my vote be it formal or not.



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    Mike wrote:

    - after all, a lot of us including the Georgia Carry lawyer-organizers have criticised the Wisconsin efforts on a variety of grounds and we are not backing down. But that does not mean its OK to beat on everybody and everything.

    Mike -

    What exactly are we being criticized about? (obviously all the childish bantering) What are the professional opinions of the Georgia Carry lawyer’s on this case? I get the feeling we are making a big deal of it to fast.



    I know a few of us are dedicated to making progress and need, and I particularly, would be very interested an unbiased professional opinion on a next step or anything else relevant to this cause. I like the idea of an O.C. picnic but I think it would be foolish to just do it without an extensive amount of legal preparation and without the presence of an attorney(s) at the event just as a start. (I know an arrest for D.C. would jeopardize my C.C.W’s and my F.F.L. that is in the works)



    Your input please, some of us will listen.




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