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    VOTE if you wish.Got this in my email today from a pal.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickqu.../popup5895.htm
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    97% yes out of 839890 votes
    Colorado Gun Owners - COGO
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    A discussion forum for Colorado Gun Owners.

    Colorado Firearm law.
    http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/colorado/
    Lexis Nexis: Colorado law pertaining to firearms.
    Title 18, Article 12

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    i wonder who the idiot was that put no

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    Seems like you can vote multiple times.

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    Actually I can see how you could legitimately vote "no" and still be pro-RKBA.

    The wording of the poll is, "does the 2nd amendment GIVE individuals...."
    No, it doesn't - it PROTECTS a pre-existent, God-given right.

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    I wonder if USAToday today will make any subsequent reference to this poll and its current status. 'Current status' because the antis can as easily corrupt the poll to indicate a resounding 'no' and we would surely hear of that!

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    I voted NO. IT doesn't give us anything. It recognizes a right every human on the face of the earth is born with.
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    r6-rider wrote:
    i wonder who the idiot was that put no
    Eric Holder, Barrack Obama, and Hillary Clinton.
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    As for the 2A giving us vs. recognizing our RTKBA, I am of the opinion that rights are legal contrivances. There are many parts of the world which have no historical precedent for these supposedly "god given" rights like jury trials and self-defense that we value (try shooting someone in Canada for any reason and see what happens. You'll get a jury trial, but they will not recognize your right to bear arms for anything other than hunting or the olympics, say). Write a letter to the paper (if there are any left) complaining of the plight of Buddhist monks in Burma and see how they go about redressing your grievances.

    Either that or god plays favorites. JMO.

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    We are created with innate and inherent rights. I'd self-immolate too if I had no better alternative for redress of grievances. We can suicide by cop and make the evening news.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
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    Legba wrote:
    As for the 2A giving us vs. recognizing our RTKBA, I am of the opinion that rights are legal contrivances.
    I agree.

    The particular freedom(s) underlyinga right exist prior to law, I would say. We just got sloppy and started shifting the words around to say "right" when we mean " a certain freedom or package of freedoms."

    The assumption being that all freedoms are deserved, except those that translate into injury of another.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Look at the poll URL "2007/november"


    Gays are prominent members of firearm rights, we do more via the courts, don't like it? Leave.
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