Good video about the goverment

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PaulBlart wrote:

i could call myself a professional basketball player but that doesn't mean i am

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What?

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AWDstylez wrote:

PaulBlart wrote:

i could call myself a professional basketball player but that doesn't mean i am

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What?

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"Whoosh! Right over your head......"

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wrightme wrote:

"Whoosh! Right over your head......"

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No, I know exactly what he meant. Still makes zero sense though.

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they call themselves "libertarian" but they have nothing in common with "libertarians"

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PaulBlart wrote:

they call themselves "libertarian" but they have nothing in common with "libertarians"

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They sure do. Go research it a little. It's all based on Libertarian beliefs.

Saying that left wing people can't be libertarian is the same as everyone that assumes conservatives have to be authoritarian.

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AWDstylez wrote:

PaulBlart wrote:

they call themselves "libertarian" but they have nothing in common with "libertarians"

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They sure do.  Go research it a little.  It's all based on Libertarian beliefs.

Saying that left wing people can't be libertarian is the same as everyone that assumes conservatives have to be authoritarian.

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I call myself a centrist libertarian. I think there are certain things the gov't should be involved in, but for the most part, I believe that the gov't's job is to uphold the rights of the people over all else, and to punish those who infringe upon the rights of others.

I don't identify with most conservatives and republicans in that I think all drugs should be legalized (but regulated, though I don't partake myself) and I think gay marriage should be legal (gov't has no right to infringe on an individual's right, so long as it doesn't affect others), and I don't identify with liberals and democrats in a vast majority of their thought base is flawed (socialized everything, it seems - retirement, healthcare, and their other ideals).

There clearly has to be a balance, and that's hard to come by. The sooner we ditch this two-party crap system, the better off we are.

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zigziggityzoo wrote:

There clearly has to be a balance, and that's hard to come by. The sooner we ditch this two-party crap system, the better off we are.

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Exactly!

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The MAXIMUM role of government should be the protection of life, liberty, and property. I am also willing to look at anything less. This country's federal government isnt close to that ideal. Ultimately, liberty and government cannot coexist.

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Panos1296 wrote:

The MAXIMUM role of government should be the protection of life, liberty, and property. I am also willing to look at anything less. This country's federal government isnt close to that ideal. Ultimately, liberty and government cannot coexist.

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actually the role of govt is to protect and maintain individual rights

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Doug Huffman wrote:

AWDstylez wrote:

Although, personally, I like this one:

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http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/comprom.htm

THE MATHEMATICAL IMPOSSIBILITY OF COMPROMISE

The supreme postulate of Liberalism, social engineering, social activism, social advocacy, rights movements, peace movements, the United Nations... is that compromise is possible. By crippling the able and enabling the crippled we can all get along. It is rigorously mathematically demonstrated that no compromises exist for complex multi-variable problems, even in theory. Zealot religions of tiny-minded fanatics know what they are doing. Diversity (a word grievously devalued in the manner of "gay") is mathematically guaranteed, irrevocable, inevitable disaster.

Create a multidimensional compromise space. Choose a variable, normalize it on a scale of 1 through zero to -1 inclusive. Love thy neighbor, kill thy neighbor. Racial integration, racial segregation. Keep all that you earn, the State confiscates all that you earn. Every school kid gets automatic straight As in everything, Darwinian social evolution. United Nations, mean Mother Green. Sister Boom-Boom, Vlad the Impaler.

Each normalized line is assigned its own dimension and is appended orthogonal to all prior lines. The zero centers of all lines coincide as a common origin. N variables then create a filled N-dimensional unit hypersphere, a closed N-hyperball, with each line being one of its diameters (each variable being wholly independent of all the others). The closed N-hyperball embraces every possible combination and magnitude of overall policy as the totality of single points on its surface and in its volume. Points near the center are maximally effete compromise. Points near the surface are the most draconian events possible.

A hypercube with edge length 2 and volume 2[sup]N[/sup] circumscribes about any unit N-hypersphere. The ratio of our N-hyperball's volume to its circumscribed hypercube monotonically decreases as the dimension N, the number of independent variables, increases. As a problem's complexity increases the closed N-hyperball of all possible solutions - of any kind - monotonically shrinks toward a zero volume point. The results are inescapable:

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1. As N, the number of variables, increases the number of compromise choices of all kinds shrinks toward zero. A large multi-variable problem has asymptotically no solutions at all much less a menu of nice compromise solutions.

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2. By N=10, 89.3% of the volume is within 20% radius of the surface. Almost every choice is a draconian imposition.

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3. By N=20, 98.8% of the volume is within 20% radius of the surface, and the overall volume - the summation of choices available - is essentially zero. There is no compromise possible. The few choices remaining are fanatic.

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A society exercising local decisions given limited choices can find optimum solutions. A society with central administration juggling hundreds of variables for each decision (social policy, economics, Congresscritters' appetites) will be a shambles at every scale of implementation. The USSR was doomed from the start; Washington ever more passionately seeks a death spiral.

The Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services are mathematically constrained to fail. Abominable Neanderthal Drill Instructors on Parris Island will succeed. A kinder, gentler armed forces with girls and benign, fairly administered procedures is a hopeless farce.

Fair business practices obeying multiple layers of reportage, regulation, affirmative social policies, and union negotiation wither and die. Monomaniacal robber barons succeed. Mighty, huge, and politically complex Imperial Rome fell to small bands of simpleton barbarians, each a one-man show. The Balkans are a disorganized bloodbath stable for 1000 years against every invader; the US is shaken to its core by the loss of two buildings (and still upchucking tens of $billions/year for "homeland security" seven years later).

The solution to complex multi-variable social, economic, and political problems is not compromise. It cannot be compromise. It can never be compromise even in principle. Any attempt at compromise is a long voyage into wrong answers where traveling more is drowning deeper. Accomplishment is the exclusive providence of narrowly focussed individuals.

1900s education worked because it was simple and direct. Every wretched immigrant kid learned English reading, English writing, and arithmetic without choice in buildings that were hardly more than shacks. Education in the 21st century is a dysfunctional bleeding ulcer not because we are not doing enough, spending enough, or lack compassion. Public education is a bleeding ulcer specifically because we are pursuing all those things with maximum vigor and budget in carpeted air-conditioned audio-visual multi-cultural pleasure domes for our delicate Adderall-gulping children. If public education is about anything but the narrowest least complex vision of education, it will fail.

The Constitution grants broad undifferentiated swaths of individual rights, limitations upon State incursion, and then shuts up. Massive waves of immigration arrived on American shores and became part of the American dream one generation later. Actively interventionist centrally administered social policy since President Johnson's Great Society sought to please everybody. It created a nation of two working parents, shattered families, intractable slums, hyphenated Americans, and multi- lingual ballots. Lose the hyphens and locally target simple goals, or the closed N-hyperball will swallow you and shrink to a point. CRUNCH. Mathematics is implacable.

As for Liberalism, social engineering, social activism, social advocacy, rights movements, peace movements, the United Nations... their failure is a necessity not an annoyance.

"It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." Richard Feynman.

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Thank you. Here is more this week from the same author, who seems to be feeling a bit anti-government.


http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/conan.htm

What did General George S. Patton think about that?

"Nobody ever defended anything successfully. There is only attack and attack and attack some more." "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

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ONE-WAY DOOR http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/conic.htm

"Equal Opportunity assures everybody will get equally screwed, but especially those who paid the tab."

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H/T to Al Schwartz

Official Truth asks a simple question, "Do you believe what you see or what we tell you?" HR 1913 provides Federal assistance to States, local jurisdictions, and Indian tribes to prosecute hate crimes "and for other purposes actual or perceived." PROMIS exists to re-educate and track difficult cases. Then... HR 645: southwestern desert military detention "facilities".

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There is no such thing as equality. No one is equal... not even under the law. Human nature and evolution won't allow it.

Human biases are genetically built into our very core. Michael Jordan vs Albert Einstein... who'd be able to run faster? Who'd be able to jump higher? Who'd be able to decipher the nature of the Universe?

There is one point when we are all equal, and that is the very moment of creation... when sperm meets egg. After that brief moment, all bets are off. We begin to develop and even if the differences at that point are minute, they still exist.

As for the government and the political spectrum; its all a sham designed to pit one group against another while blinding them to the fact that big government authoritarians have enslaved them. Do you reallycare if you're being oppressed under a theocracy vs being oppressed under a dictatorship or a communist regime? In the end, its all oppression and the result is the same... you are not free and your oppressors will exact torment on anyone who does not tow the party line. How is the supposed left in this country different than the right? The right would take rights away from the gays and the left would take rights away from the bible thumpers.... who is more wrong? Who is more right?... the answer that AWDStylez and others who argue for some convoluted BS political spectrum is "Whoever you agree with more!"

Now am I saying that the beliefs these people have within these BS political spectrums don't exist? Not at all, in fact, everyone believes something different and has certain political agendas they desire to forward. Mine is Libertarianism... live and let live, don't force someone to live for you nor let someone force you to provide for another. The insane idea that there could ever be a Libertarian socialist is just wrong. Socialism is on the opposite side of Libertarianism when it comes to the idea of the use of force against your fellow citizen. Libertarians are 100% against the use of force to extract payment from people to support others. Socialists are not.

The most true spectrum which all others can be placed on is the scale of 100% gov to 0% gov as all the rest of that garbage does not matter. For too long, we've been convinced that those who believe in gay marriage are against those who believe in traditional marriage, and the only two options are government bans or sanctions gay marriage... what about the option that government has no friggin business being involved in marriage?Ah but we've been conditioned for this "us against them" mentality in a fake political spectrum while all along, the authoritarians on both sides work together to cement power andstrip us of our freedom while we're distracted.

Shame on you for either promoting it or falling for it.