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    I a feature about the new gun bills, TV3 Winchester interviewed the owner of
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    The owner stated that although VA has allows open carry, he feels that it is not a good idea and does not allow weapons of any type in his restraunt.

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    When will they learn? Now that he has publicly declared "No customers or employees will have any means of defending themselves", I wonder how safe they will be?

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    do you have a link to the interview?
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    Doug Huffman wrote: Could not find referenced material - do you have a more specific link?

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    I looked all through the site and couldn't find it... i saw it this morning on the 6am news

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    Friday, January 30, 2009
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    I must confess that I don't pay political issues much mind—sure, the Virginia restaurant lobby keeps me well apprised of the doings in Richmond, but I give most things political scant notice. I have a restaurant to run and that is two-and-a-half full-time jobs.

    But wanted or not, sometimes politics intrude into my life. Just yesterday, the local TV station sent a reporter by to interview me about guns and restaurants. Not wanting to miss any face time on TV, I had to say something.

    The reporter's visit reminded me that our silly season is back. Yes friends, once again, it's time for the annual wrangle in the Commonwealth of Virginia between the legislature and the governor over concealed carry of handguns in establishments licensed by the Virginia ABC, that is, restaurants and bars.

    It is currently illegal to carry a concealed weapon (not just a handgun) in such establishments and last year, the legislature voted to make it legal. The governor shot this down [pun intended] and the legislature didn't have enough muscle to override the veto. This year is looking very dĂ©jĂ* vu.

    I own a gun and I admit that I love shooting poor defenseless skeet, not that I am any good at it and not that I get out to shoot more than a couple of times a year. I don't belong to the NRA. I'm not a rabid second amendment type: it is clear to me that a private citizen has no legitimate need to possess an AK, machine gun, etc.

    And, if the government does take away your right to possess an AK, it's not the beginning of that mythical slippery slope that sees the government further infringing your second amendment rights.

    That said, I think I stand pretty much where the average American does on this issue.

    Now back to the brouhaha in Richmond. Open carry is already permitted in Virginia: you can legally openly carry a weapon into restaurants and bars. To my mind, concealed carry is not terribly different from open carry, so the proposed legislation is largely symbolic—yea or nay, it isn't really going to make a huge difference. My understanding of the proposed legislation is that the carrier has to declare the weapon and may not consume alcohol, which makes it absolutely no different from open carry.

    The gun control lefties don't want concealed carry in the worst way and the second amendment righties want it in the worst way and the rest of us in the middle are asking, "Don't we have bigger issues that our legislators should be tackling?"

    Regardless of your position on this legislation, you have to admit that adding guns to an alcohol-fueled environment is not a great idea. In fact, it's a terrible idea.

    Individual business owners in Virginia, regardless of the prevailing carry law, are free to permit or prohibit weapons in their establishments. Because mixing alcohol and weapons is a terrible idea, I prohibit all weapons—not just guns—open or concealed, except for those carried by peace officers performing their duties.

    Bottom line, I leave my gun at home when I come to the restaurant. I expect you to do the same. Regardless of the law, a restaurant is no place for a gun.

    This is my reaction to the reporter showing up at my restaurant yesterday and my explanation of the no weapons policy at my restaurant. Be forewarned: we are not going to debate gun control issues on my restaurant blog. Take it elsewhere.

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    Apparently he's another gun owner with a clear misunderstanding of guns, carrying guns and gun law.

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    jegoodin wrote:
    Friday, January 30, 2009
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    From "Ed's Blog" on http://obwrestaurant.com/
    Ed may be a pro where shooting skeet is concerned but he is as anti-self protection as any I have ever seen. He provides a gun free, victim rich zone for crime and mayhem.

    No money in your place Ed and a well earned unfriendly rep too.

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    TexasNative wrote:
    Apparently he's another gun owner with a clear misunderstanding of guns, carrying guns and gun law.
    And he's just advertised (even more so than by a sign) that neither his customers nor his employees, nor the guy who takes receipts to the bank, is armed.
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    "Chef Ed said... I said that we were not going to debate the issues here on this blog, but a bunch of knee-jerk folks have insisted on doing just that, so all further comments are closed."


    Typical.

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    As I have always said, if they are in a position to turn away clients, more power to them.

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    I wonder if he has a nice IWB holster for those salad tongs....
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    I just sent him an email....

    Dear Ed,

    As a fellow business owner in Virginia, I always enjoy putting money back into the local economy. My family eats out on a fairly regular basis. Usually we rely on the restaurant report to determine places to stay away from. With the economy as it is, businesses in Virginia need to do everything that they can to bring the customers in. After reading your blog entry on persons carrying a handgun for self defense in your restaurant, I can now add another place to my list of restaurants to avoid.


    Thanks!

    A law abiding citizen who gives a damn about self-defense and protecting his family.

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    ProShooter wrote:
    I just sent him an email....

    Dear Ed,

    As a fellow business owner in Virginia, I always enjoy putting money back into the local economy. My family eats out on a fairly regular basis. Usually we rely on the restaurant report to determine places to stay away from. With the economy as it is, businesses in Virginia need to do everything that they can to bring the customers in. After reading your blog entry on persons carrying a handgun for self defense in your restaurant, I can now add another place to my list of restaurants to avoid.


    Thanks!

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    Great letter sir!

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    Bulldog1967 wrote:
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    Dear Ed,

    As a fellow business owner in Virginia, I always enjoy putting money back into the local economy. My family eats out on a fairly regular basis. Usually we rely on the restaurant report to determine places to stay away from. With the economy as it is, businesses in Virginia need to do everything that they can to bring the customers in. After reading your blog entry on persons carrying a handgun for self defense in your restaurant, I can now add another place to my list of restaurants to avoid.


    Thanks!

    A law abiding citizen who gives a damn about self-defense and protecting his family.
    Great letter sir!
    Thanks!

    His response was words to the effect that I was "narrow-minded and pathetic".

    Ya know, I've read the 2nd Amendment a bunch of times, and for the life of me I can't recall seeing the word "skeet" mentioned anywhere in there.

    Narrow-minded, indeed!
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    jegoodin wrote:
    it is clear to me that a private citizen has no legitimate need to possess an AK, machine gun, etc.
    That right there should set him up aside as a Marxist. The second amendment is specifically designed to protect the people from corruption and tyranny from WITHIN the government.

    So I should understand, then, that he believes the people could exercise this right against a corrupt and vastly militarized regime with scattershot and wheelguns? What an imbecile.
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    I sent him the following:

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    I read your recent commentary on carrying guns in restaurants. I don't agree with your sentiment that a restaurant is no place for a gun.

    I carry my handgun so that I can protect my family from people who intend to hurt them. There's nothing special about being in a restaurant that makes it impossible for me to be confronted by such a person. In fact, it's probably more likely to happen in an "alcohol-fueled environment," as you describe it, than in most other places.

    The bottom line for me is that you're not going to protect us when we patronize your restaurant. You're not obligated to do so, and you're not equipped for it anyway. My family's protection is my own responsibility, and I can't effectively perform that function if I leave my handgun at home, as you suggest.

    I hope you reconsider your stance on firearms. Your restaurant looks like a place my family would enjoy. Until your policy changes, however, I'll have to take my business someplace else.

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    Tosta Dojen wrote:
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    Ed,

    I read your recent commentary on carrying guns in restaurants. I don't agree with your sentiment that a restaurant is no place for a gun.

    I carry my handgun so that I can protect my family from people who intend to hurt them. There's nothing special about being in a restaurant that makes it impossible for me to be confronted by such a person. In fact, it's probably more likely to happen in an "alcohol-fueled environment," as you describe it, than in most other places.

    The bottom line for me is that you're not going to protect us when we patronize your restaurant. You're not obligated to do so, and you're not equipped for it anyway. My family's protection is my own responsibility, and I can't effectively perform that function if I leave my handgun at home, as you suggest.

    I hope you reconsider your stance on firearms. Your restaurant looks like a place my family would enjoy. Until your policy changes, however, I'll have to take my business someplace else.
    Well written
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    kibbles1n0bits wrote:
    I a feature about the new gun bills, TV3 Winchester interviewed the owner of
    One Block West
    http://obwrestaurant.com/
    25 South Indian Alley
    Winchester, Virginia 22601
    info@oneblockwest.com

    The owner stated that although VA has allows open carry, he feels that it is not a good idea and does not allow weapons of any type in his restraunt.
    Then anytime a police officer, fed, parole officer or armed security comes in the owner then asks them to leave their firearms in their cars or leave altogether?

    firearms are firearms after all, regardless of who carries them.

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    " Bottom line, I leave my gun at home when I come to the restaurant. I expect you to do the same. Regardless of the law, a restaurant is no place for a gun. "

    They thought that at Luby's too.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hennard

    Quoting Wikipedia....

    Luby's massacre was a mass murder that took place on October 16, 1991 in Killeen, Texas, United States when George Jo Hennard drove his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot and killed 23 people, wounded another 20 and then committed suicide by shooting himself. It remained the deadliest shooting rampage in American history until the Virginia Tech Massacre. "

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    doug23838 wrote:
    They thought that at Luby's too.
    I'm glad I'm not the only one who was thinking this.
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    jegoodin wrote:
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    I must confess that I don't pay political issues much mind—sure, the Virginia restaurant lobby keeps me well apprised of the doings in Richmond, but I give most things political scant notice. I have a restaurant to run and that is two-and-a-half full-time jobs.

    Good for you.

    But wanted or not, sometimes politics intrude into my life. Just yesterday, the local TV station sent a reporter by to interview me about guns and restaurants. Not wanting to miss any face time on TV, I had to say something.

    So you quickly just came up with something to say without really thinking?

    The reporter's visit reminded me that our silly season is back. Yes friends, once again, it's time for the annual wrangle in the Commonwealth of Virginia between the legislature and the governor over concealed carry of handguns in establishments licensed by the Virginia ABC, that is, restaurants and bars.

    carry of firearms should be permitted in restaurants that serve alcohol--AS LONG AS the individuals who are carrying are NOT CONSUMING alcohol in any form or fashion, regardless of how little they consume--carry should be allowed in both OC and CC fashion--depending on the individual choice.

    It is currently illegal to carry a concealed weapon (not just a handgun) in such establishments and last year, the legislature voted to make it legal. The governor shot this down [pun intended] and the legislature didn't have enough muscle to override the veto. This year is looking very dĂ©jĂ* vu.

    CC as well as OC should be allowed in restaurants, but not bars or night clubs, as bars are purely for drinking and for fighting.


    I own a gun and I admit that I love shooting poor defenseless skeet, not that I am any good at it and not that I get out to shoot more than a couple of times a year. I don't belong to the NRA. I'm not a rabid second amendment type: it is clear to me that a private citizen has no legitimate need to possess an AK, machine gun, etc.

    What is clear to me is that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about--an AK 47 is a semi-automatic rifle capable of accepting a 30rd magazine. What are you afraid of in a 7.62x39 caliber rifle? The AK 47 is the SAME as the Rem. 700 SPS, the Savage 10fp, the Barrett .50, the Tikka T-3 Tactical, and I could go on and on--it is a RIFLE pure and simple, all that I have mentioned with the exception of the AK uses a standard detachable box magazine while the AK uses a curved magazine of somewhat more capacity. The 7.62 is a medium sized round when compared to the power and distance of what we like to call the military calibers. What exactly are you afraid of in the AK? Do you not like it because it is scary? So WHAT, I for one think the AK is a cool looking gun, especially when it is decked out in a tactical format.

    So WHAT exactly are you afraid of in an AK? Does it frighten you? Does it frighten you because the government and the media like to slap a label of "assault rifle" on it? FYI ANYTHING can be an "assault rifle"...there is no such animal as an "assault rifle"...it is a figment of the imagination of the media, the gun grabbers, the brady bunch and most of the anti-gunners in the government who want to ban an entire class of semiautomatic rifles simpy because of its LOOKS.....people need to grow UP.


    And, if the government does take away your right to possess an AK, it's not the beginning of that mythical slippery slope that sees the government further infringing your second amendment rights.

    Again, what is clear to me is you have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about.

    That said, I think I stand pretty much where the average American does on this issue.

    I doubt it--you are allowing the media and focus groups and the anti-gunners to convince you that if you "just give up your guns, then you will be safer"...it is just a slippery slope and a pretext to more control of guns.

    Now back to the brouhaha in Richmond. Open carry is already permitted in Virginia: you can legally openly carry a weapon into restaurants and bars. To my mind, concealed carry is not terribly different from open carry, so the proposed legislation is largely symbolic—yea or nay, it isn't really going to make a huge difference. My understanding of the proposed legislation is that the carrier has to declare the weapon and may not consume alcohol, which makes it absolutely no different from open carry.

    The gun control lefties don't want concealed carry in the worst way and the second amendment righties want it in the worst way and the rest of us in the middle are asking, "Don't we have bigger issues that our legislators should be tackling?"


    What we need is for a STREGTHENING of our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, not a weakening of them. STREGTHENING our RIGHTS should be amind the top priorities of any government

    Regardless of your position on this legislation, you have to admit that adding guns to an alcohol-fueled environment is not a great idea. In fact, it's a terrible idea.

    So crime takes a break in restaurants that serve alcohol--like a criminal is going to care whether a law is passed prohibiting guns in restaurants that serve alcohol...I can see it now--a criminal comes to the door of a restaurant and says **** I can't rob you because guns aren't allowed.....yeah ok, and I have some swamp land deepinaheartoftexas i would like to sell you...CRIMINALS don't CARE...

    Individual business owners in Virginia, regardless of the prevailing carry law, are free to permit or prohibit weapons in their establishments. Because mixing alcohol and weapons is a terrible idea, I prohibit all weapons—not just guns—open or concealed, except for those carried by peace officers performing their duties.

    And the people are free to not shop in your establishments...business owners need our money more than we need their products. If the people quit buying then business owners will have more important things to worry about than a LAW ABIDING citizen carrying in your establishments. If you don't want our money then that is fine--we can shop where we choose.

    Again, as if CRIMINALS are going to honor no gun signs...they are CRIMINALS for a REASON--why is it this one simple concept slips by people so easily?

    Bottom line, I leave my gun at home when I come to the restaurant. I expect you to do the same. Regardless of the law, a restaurant is no place for a gun.

    Bully for you--if you choose to be a victim that is your right, but don't expect me to make myself a target by shopping in a store where we can't carry simply because YOU are afraid that a LAW ABIDING citizen might carry into your store or restaurant..you might well remember that CRIMINALS won't care about your no gun signs, and that they are called criminals for a reason.

    This is my reaction to the reporter showing up at my restaurant yesterday and my explanation of the no weapons policy at my restaurant. Be forewarned: we are not going to debate gun control issues on my restaurant blog. Take it elsewhere.

    You spoke without thinking...congratulations.

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    This restaurant owner is a world class doofus. Does he really think that all criminals are computer illiterate street thugs who would never come across his comments that he leaves his gun at home and asks everyone else to do the same? I hope that nothing happens to the man or his employees or customers, but dang that is just dumb to broadcast to the world that your life and your business are available for the taking to the first thug who sees his comments.

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    He is unfortunately an ostrich with his head in the sand and his b*tt exposed to the elements.

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