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    shameless plug? It only costs me money, so....

    http://www.gunbuybackscam.com

    Taking suggestions, and yes, it's a very rough draft. No need to tell me so.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
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    "This little old lady's husband died and left her with this WWII rifle she doesn't want. Why shouldn't she get a few bucks for it?" Gosh, $50 for what could be a priceless war relic or antique heirloom worth thousands? A weapon of no use to criminals, and no danger to her or anyone she knows? What a generous humanitarian you are for taking her valuable property and destroying it, in exchange for $50. Way to go, ********. You're really doing us all a favor...

    haha that was great. nice site man hopefully the sheeple will actually open their mind enough to read even a little bit of it

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    The solution is competition. Show up at the gun buy backs. If you see something you like, offer them more than what the police are offering.

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    Somehow I doubt the "no questions asked" policy would apply to anyone trying to out-bid them. They'd probably bust you for receiving stolen property - or worse.

    -ljp

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    That's exactly how it went down, too. And my motivation for creating the website. ;-)

    I'm sure my recent experience of being incarcerated for over a week at a mental institution 'because anyone who owns guns must be crazy' has nothing at all to do with me walking around with a sign at the Lakeland "buy back" with a sign that read "I pay more." ;-)

    I wonder if that thread has been removed? I'm sure Grapeshot remembers, my google-fu isn't so hot on the iphone...
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
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    "Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams

    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    Legba wrote:
    Somehow I doubt the "no questions asked" policy would apply to anyone trying to out-bid them. They'd probably bust you for receiving stolen property - or worse.

    -ljp
    I know at least one member in va has done it. I'd like to do give it a try at the next one.

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    I know at least one member in va has done it. I'd like to do give it a try at the next one.


    Found it: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...ht=gun+buyback

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    I've got a thread on here, with some pics of the tacticool intimidators, that happened to me a few months back in Lakeland, too.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
    http://edhelper.com/poetry/The_Hangm...rice_Ogden.htm

    https://gunthreadadapters.com

    "Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams

    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    Looks good for its audience.

    You might consider changing the word a$$holes. Or re-writing the entire sentence. Maybe something along the lines of "This is borderline fraud." Or, "This is a con job, plain and simple. The gun-grabbers get to indulge their irrationality at the expense of people who may not know better, people who lose the actual value." Etc.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    You're right. That's part of the "it needs work" part of the page. I started out just writing my thoughts as they came, and have been trickling downwards as I go... May do something about the Einstein quote and change that around a bit too.

    I'm trying to make people think for themselves, not adopt my personal views. But since it all started out as my own thoughts and feelings, I'm gradually generic-izing it over time.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
    http://edhelper.com/poetry/The_Hangm...rice_Ogden.htm

    https://gunthreadadapters.com

    "Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams

    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    ixtow wrote:
    SNIP I'm trying to make people think for themselves, not adopt my personal views.
    I especially liked this part.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    My sarcasm-o-meter has buried the needle... :-P
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
    http://edhelper.com/poetry/The_Hangm...rice_Ogden.htm

    https://gunthreadadapters.com

    "Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams

    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    hate organizations have no claim tot he private property of others. Guns included.


    Fix typo on last sentence.
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    Ixtow,
    You are a courageous, clever and creative person. Great work on your gun buy-back competion effort (I remember reading that and enjoying it) and your work on putting this page (Buy back Scam page) together. Thank you fro you efforts to battle with the lunacy.
    Now, attempted constructive criticism re the page:
    • It seems a bit too long and wordy. Try to synthesize the ideas in easy-to-read, quickly stated bullet points (sort of like I am trying to do.) you can always refer to another page or other cites if someone wants to research the idea further.
    • The bullet point or numbered reason format helps readers quickly scan the ideas presented without feeling like they have to digest or read too much. (While many readers on this site read a lot, remember who your target audience is.)
    • While I have not include pics to you, pics of some of your points would be nice. For example, add a pick of a nice, collectible WWII firearm when you make the point about a valuable collector firearm. This might let people get a clue. A pic that helps each argument would be great. A pic is worth a 1000 words.
    Just a few thoughts. Great work. Great idea. Thanks for doing it. Once you get it the way you like it, I'll be passing it along.


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    Who's doing this "buy back" thing?


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    Reading and thinking; if I have comments of merit, I'll let you know.

    But I have had to enlarge the page to read the type.

    On-screen, a sans serif font is much easier to read, and a slightly larger type than would be used in legal briefs is of benefit.

    The last thing you want is for someone to avoid reading simply because it takes a little effort.

    So far, I'm liking the content.
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    I think you should also advise people to turn in guns worth less than the offered amount, buy more, and use the money to seek out other cheap guns, and ultimately end up with more money and/or guns.
    And it will make the whole buyback idea look stupid.

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    Nevermind.

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    Excellent, ixtow. Stay on the meds and you re coherent. However, just as certain dog foods make their own gravy, these gun buy-backs make their own jokes.

    Henry Louis Mencken said "nobody ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the American People." Gun buy-backs (not to mention the late elections) bear that out nicely.

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    I was locked out of my own account due to my web host's insistence on changing the password every 30 days, and the VERY complicated nature of the passwords they will allow me to use... anyway.

    I have made some changes. It's still not as contiguous as I want it to be. I will be implementing some of your suggestions. Especially the bullet points.

    Font size... Really? I hate large fonts that don't let me fit a lot of information on the page all at once. I wonder how many people fall on both sides of that fence? I get irritated when I have to scroll and the letters are huge... But I can see how those with bad eyes or bad monitors might not like it. Web browsers allow one to change font size on the fly very easily, but I wonder if those with bad eyes and bad monitors might likely populate the group of people who don't know that. So, point taken.

    It gets a bit more disconnected the further down you go. I know it. I may condense it more using the bullet point suggestion. But I still want to give people the chance to read the deeper details and logic.

    As for promoting the notion that people should take guns worth far less than the offered value, I have a plan to take it a step further than that. I do, on the page, mention early on that it is very easy to build cheap disposable guns at home. I'm going to offer, for sale, the parts and designs to do exactly that. Why take my word for it? See for yourself how easy it. 12ga zip gun, sub machine gun, pen gun, etc. Various improvised projectile weapons.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
    http://edhelper.com/poetry/The_Hangm...rice_Ogden.htm

    https://gunthreadadapters.com

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    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    I sit acceptable for me to place a link to OCDO on it?
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
    http://edhelper.com/poetry/The_Hangm...rice_Ogden.htm

    https://gunthreadadapters.com

    "Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams

    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    cynicist wrote:
    I think you should also advise people to turn in guns worth less than the offered amount, buy more, and use the money to seek out other cheap guns, and ultimately end up with more money and/or guns.
    And it will make the whole buyback idea look stupid.
    Heck, could be a great way to just make money flat out. Buy the guns for more, say 100 bucks, head to the nearest pawn shop afterward, sell the ones that you don't want. Even assuming that some come back as stolen, and are thus turned over to the proper people for return to their rightful owner, you've still got a fair shot at a making a profit.

    Also, receiving stolen property charges require knowledge (or belief) that the property in question is stolen, so I'm not sure that would be able to stick. Which leads me to wonder...when/where is a local buy back program, I need a few extra bucks myself.

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    "Gun By BACK".... Check your spelling and grammar.
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    mpg9999 wrote:
    mpg9999 wrote:
    I know at least one member in va has done it. I'd like to do give it a try at the next one.


    Found it: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...ht=gun+buyback
    I did it at Chesapeake, VAs last event. I rescued a shotgun and a rifle. (They would take rifles and shotguns, but would only give gift cards for handguns, so my two rescue guns cost a total of $50.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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