AbNo
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deepdiver wrote:
deepdiver wrote:
Did I mention I CC'd a couple of their other contact emails?
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Another misguided, uninformed, bitter, scared anti-gunner with a newspaper
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TFred
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And don't forget, largely thanks to such fine anti-gun organizations as the Free Lance-Star (and other reasons too...), there are many Virginia residents who have decided to obtain Utah permits instead of Virginia permits.
Utah permits do not show up in the reports, because they have wisely protected their permit-holder information from public release. Obviously, since the training is limited to certified instructors, and there are only so many of those in this area, we aren't talking thousands per year, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it were in the hundreds per year, state wide.
TFred
And don't forget, largely thanks to such fine anti-gun organizations as the Free Lance-Star (and other reasons too...), there are many Virginia residents who have decided to obtain Utah permits instead of Virginia permits.
Utah permits do not show up in the reports, because they have wisely protected their permit-holder information from public release. Obviously, since the training is limited to certified instructors, and there are only so many of those in this area, we aren't talking thousands per year, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it were in the hundreds per year, state wide.
TFred
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How is this for a rapid response from the VSP!
The numbers speak loudly for themselves! :celebrate
Yata hey
_______________________________________________________________________
Dear Sir,
The following information is provided in response to your request, and pursuant to the provisions of the Virginia Freedom of Information Act.
1) Total number of concealed handgun permits (CHP)issued to residents of Va. as of latest available date.
Number of active CHP as of February 2, 2009 = 175,338
2) Percentage increase from one year prior in issuance of these CHPs.
Number CHP issued 2008 = 55,864 (increase of 34.7%)
Number CHP issued 2007 = 41,472
3) Total number of non-resident CHPs issued.
Total nonresident permits issued as of today = 2,597
I trust this information will be of assistance to you.
Sincerely,
Donna K. Tate, Manager
Firearms Transaction Center
Virginia Department of State Police
Tel: (804) 674-2210
Fax: (804) 674-2791
Email: mail to Donna.Tate@vsp.virginia.gov
Website:http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm
How is this for a rapid response from the VSP!
The numbers speak loudly for themselves! :celebrate
Yata hey
_______________________________________________________________________
Dear Sir,
The following information is provided in response to your request, and pursuant to the provisions of the Virginia Freedom of Information Act.
1) Total number of concealed handgun permits (CHP)issued to residents of Va. as of latest available date.
Number of active CHP as of February 2, 2009 = 175,338
2) Percentage increase from one year prior in issuance of these CHPs.
Number CHP issued 2008 = 55,864 (increase of 34.7%)
Number CHP issued 2007 = 41,472
3) Total number of non-resident CHPs issued.
Total nonresident permits issued as of today = 2,597
I trust this information will be of assistance to you.
Sincerely,
Donna K. Tate, Manager
Firearms Transaction Center
Virginia Department of State Police
Tel: (804) 674-2210
Fax: (804) 674-2791
Email: mail to Donna.Tate@vsp.virginia.gov
Website:http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm
Thundar
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Sheriff wrote:
Sheriff wrote:
I don't know Sheriff. IIRC didn't the Ice Cream Man getaway with such a shooting without being prosecuted in Richmond?
Bubba Ron
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I agree with nemo "Cops are civilians too" - our law enforcement community is becoming more "military-like" and less "protect and serve" every year....a trend that needs to be reversed in my opinion. We are citizens and community members, just like the police.
nemo wrote:
I agree with nemo "Cops are civilians too" - our law enforcement community is becoming more "military-like" and less "protect and serve" every year....a trend that needs to be reversed in my opinion. We are citizens and community members, just like the police.
nemo wrote:
hsmith
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Grapeshot wrote:
:what:
Grapeshot wrote:
Number CHP issued 2008 = 55,864 (increase of 34.7%)
:what:
Citizen
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hsmith wrote:
hsmith wrote:
I'd like to think we OCers had something to do with that!
Citizen
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ProShooter wrote:
Hey!!! I didn't say that. Grapeshot got a little sloppy with his "quoting"!
Besides, I wouldn't have questioned the numbers. I would have been more sagacious. Confronted with a possibleanti-gunner lie like that, I would have run with it to my advantage.
ProShooter wrote:
Hey!!! I didn't say that. Grapeshot got a little sloppy with his "quoting"!
Besides, I wouldn't have questioned the numbers. I would have been more sagacious. Confronted with a possibleanti-gunner lie like that, I would have run with it to my advantage.
Hawkflyer
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Citizen wrote:
Well the actual 175,000 is a lot better number than the 150,000 that he used in his "article". But since these are CHPs, It is doubtful that OC had a lot to do with it. The OC message os that you don't need no stinking permits.:lol:
Thanks to Grapeshot for the research.
Citizen wrote:
Besides, I wouldn't have questioned the numbers. I would have been more sagacious. Confronted with a possibleanti-gunner lie like that, I would have run with it to my advantage.
Well the actual 175,000 is a lot better number than the 150,000 that he used in his "article". But since these are CHPs, It is doubtful that OC had a lot to do with it. The OC message os that you don't need no stinking permits.:lol:
Thanks to Grapeshot for the research.
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Citizen wrote:
The numbers are accurate as reported.
Percentage increase from one year prior in issuance of these CHPs.
Number CHP issued 2008 = 55,864 (increase of 34.7%)
Number CHP issued 2007 = 41,472
The math is: 55,864 - 41,472 = 14,472/41472 = 34.7+%
The 34.7% is an increase for 2008 over the 2007 figures.
Yata hey
PS - Be ready for a pop quiz. :lol:
Citizen wrote:
Did not get sloppy at all - in fact it was a direct copy and paste of Donna Tate's reply.Hey!!! I didn't say that. Grapeshot got a little sloppy with his "quoting"!
Besides, I wouldn't have questioned the numbers. I would have been more sagacious. Confronted with a possibleanti-gunner lie like that, I would have run with it to my advantage.
The numbers are accurate as reported.
Percentage increase from one year prior in issuance of these CHPs.
Number CHP issued 2008 = 55,864 (increase of 34.7%)
Number CHP issued 2007 = 41,472
The math is: 55,864 - 41,472 = 14,472/41472 = 34.7+%
The 34.7% is an increase for 2008 over the 2007 figures.
Yata hey
PS - Be ready for a pop quiz. :lol:
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I have this theory that the more CHPs there are, the better potential there is to get some of them to come out of the closet and OC.
It works with many that I have talked to, who sometimes say, "I didn't know you could do that! Maybe I'll try it." I give 'em a card and invite them to dinner or breakfast.
Problem is that we have no accurate gauge for our numbers.
Yata hey
I have this theory that the more CHPs there are, the better potential there is to get some of them to come out of the closet and OC.
It works with many that I have talked to, who sometimes say, "I didn't know you could do that! Maybe I'll try it." I give 'em a card and invite them to dinner or breakfast.
Problem is that we have no accurate gauge for our numbers.
Yata hey
hsmith
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almost 200,000 - soon the Potomac will flow red with blood!!! the Chesapeake will be as maroon as VT's colors!
almost 200,000 - soon the Potomac will flow red with blood!!! the Chesapeake will be as maroon as VT's colors!
TFred
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Grapeshot wrote:
# CHPs at end of 2008 = about 170,000 (175K - one month's worth at 55K per year)
# CHPs at end of 2007 = 170,000 - 55,864 = 114,136
% increase during 2008 = 55,864 / 114,136 = 48.95%
That's huge!
You'd have to add the expired/not renewed CHPs to the denominator, which would make the % increase smaller, but still, that's a big increase. I suspect they would be happy to provide the number at the end of 2007 if you asked, and if they had it.
TFred
Grapeshot wrote:
This analysis is not entirely sure, because they don't tell us how many CHPs expired and were not renewed during 2008, but... drawing entirely from the numbers they provided,
# CHPs at end of 2008 = about 170,000 (175K - one month's worth at 55K per year)
# CHPs at end of 2007 = 170,000 - 55,864 = 114,136
% increase during 2008 = 55,864 / 114,136 = 48.95%
That's huge!
You'd have to add the expired/not renewed CHPs to the denominator, which would make the % increase smaller, but still, that's a big increase. I suspect they would be happy to provide the number at the end of 2007 if you asked, and if they had it.
TFred
Citizen
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Grapeshot wrote:
Oh, yes you did.
Look in the middle-most quote. That's Hawkflyer's text, with my name attached.
Now, if he is saying something wise or insightful, do feel free to attribute it to me.
Grapeshot wrote:
Citizen wrote:Did not get sloppy at all - in fact it was a direct copy and paste of Donna Tate's reply.Hey!!! I didn't say that. Grapeshot got a little sloppy with his "quoting"!
Besides, I wouldn't have questioned the numbers. I would have been more sagacious. Confronted with a possibleanti-gunner lie like that, I would have run with it to my advantage.
Oh, yes you did.
Look in the middle-most quote. That's Hawkflyer's text, with my name attached.
Now, if he is saying something wise or insightful, do feel free to attribute it to me.
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Citizen wrote: To whom do I owe the apology?
I'll do better next time, really I will. Can I go now? :?
Yata hey
Citizen wrote:
Can't tell the difference from here - you all look the same to me.Oh, yes you did.
Look in the middle-most quote. That's Hawkflyer's text, with my name attached.
Now, if he is saying something wise or insightful, do feel free to attribute it to me.
To whom do I owe the apology?I'll do better next time, really I will. Can I go now? :?
Yata hey
Hawkflyer
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Grapeshot wrote:
Grapeshot wrote:
I am the tall good looking one and he ... Well he looks different. As to apologies, I don't know. Depends on who's buying.:celebrateCitizen wrote:Can't tell the difference from here - you all look the same to me.Oh, yes you did.
Look in the middle-most quote. That's Hawkflyer's text, with my name attached.
Now, if he is saying something wise or insightful, do feel free to attribute it to me.
I'll do better next time, really I will. Can I go now? :?
Yata hey
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Hawkflyer wrote:
Where is Tomahawk when ya need him - he has experience in that field, I'm told.
Actually. I would be pleased to do so whenever we meet. Note to self - make note.
Yata hey
Hawkflyer wrote:
I may be sorry (some say I am) but I didn't say I was that sorry.Grapeshot wrote:I am the tall good looking one and he ... Well he looks different. As to apologies, I don't know. Depends on who's buying.:celebrateCitizen wrote:Can't tell the difference from here - you all look the same to me.Oh, yes you did.
Look in the middle-most quote. That's Hawkflyer's text, with my name attached.
Now, if he is saying something wise or insightful, do feel free to attribute it to me.
I'll do better next time, really I will. Can I go now? :?
Yata hey
Where is Tomahawk when ya need him - he has experience in that field, I'm told.
Actually. I would be pleased to do so whenever we meet.
Note to self - make note.Yata hey
Citizen
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Jeez, turn my back for two minutes and...
Jeez, turn my back for two minutes and...