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VA-ALERT: legislative update 2/2/09
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Van Cleave
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:01 PM
Subject: VA-ALERT: legislative update 2/2/09
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VCDL's meeting schedule: http://www.vcdl.org/meetings.html
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Abbreviations used in VA-ALERT: http://www.vcdl.org/help/abbr.html
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1. SENATOR MARSH'S GUN SHOW BILL VOTE IS DELAYED AGAIN
2. MORE PRO-GUN BILLS PASS OUT OF COMMITTEE
3. WHO'S PARANOID? COLUMNIST DOESN'T HAVE A MIRROR
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1. SENATOR MARSH'S GUN SHOW BILL VOTE IS DELAYED AGAIN
****************************************************
Senator Marsh on the Senate Floor asked that his gun show bill, SB
1257, be passed by for the day again - thus avoiding a vote on that
bill today.
What does that mean?
Probably that he can't get enough votes to pass the bill.
The other two times this bill has made it to the Floor of the Senate
over the years, this was how it worked out: they kept passing it by,
hoping to find more votes and they kept losing votes the longer they
delayed.
If you haven't contacted your Senator to oppose SB 1257, do so now!
****************************************************
2. MORE PRO-GUN BILLS PASS OUT OF COMMITTEE
****************************************************
Today in the Senate Courts of Justice committee, the following bills
were passed out of committee:
SB 1384, Senator Stolle, repeals the Virginia law that requires police
to enforce the federal silencer registration laws. The repeal makes
perfect sense as Virginia law enforcement cannot get the silencer
registration information for the Internal Revenue Service to enforce it.
The bill passed by 11 to 4.
Senators voting pro-gun (note that even Senator Saslaw supports this
repeal):
Saslaw, Stolle, Quayle, Norment, Edwards, Reynolds, Cuccinelli,
Obenshain, McDougle, Deeds, Hurt
Senators voting anti-gun:
Marsh, Howell, Lucas, Puller
-
SB 1528, Senator Cuccinelli, clarifies that on-line training for a
concealed handgun permit is acceptable.
The bill passed by 11 to 4.
Senators voting pro-gun (Senator Saslaw supported this clarification
also. The vote was exactly the same as on Senator Stolle's silencer
bill):
Saslaw, Stolle, Quayle, Norment, Edwards, Reynolds, Cuccinelli,
Obenshain, McDougle, Deeds, Hurt
Senators voting anti-gun:
Marsh, Howell, Lucas, Puller
****************************************************
3. WHO'S PARANOID? COLUMNIST DOESN'T HAVE A MIRROR
****************************************************
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, Chris Fordney, a
columnist for NVDaily.com, sets a new standard for blind hypocrisy in
his article, "Guns are winning the capital."
He says, "Among their [VCDL] victories in recent years have been to
eliminate restrictions in state and national parks, where muggers,
rapists and murderers are known to congregate in large numbers."
That sarcastic jab at gun owners, implies that we are paranoid to feel
the need to carry a gun in such "safe" places.
But then he says, "I worry less these days about muggers and more
about running into some wacko with a chip on his shoulder, a pistol
**legally** hidden under his coat and a readiness to provoke someone
into giving him an excuse to use it."
That is such a bizarre statement on so many fronts, I don't even know
where to begin addressing it. Permit holders are just looking for an
excuse to murder someone? Or is that what YOU would do if you had a
permit, Mr. Fordney?
He then explains how he thinks that permit holders would shoot a
fleeing felon in the back:
"I figure if a robber runs up and sticks a gun in my face and demands
my wallet, I will dramatically raise my chances of being killed if I
pull out a gun. If I wait until he turns and runs with my money and
then shoot him in the back, I've acted as cop, jury, judge and
executioner over the loss of a few bucks and a couple of credit cards."
Notice how naive that comment is.
If only Cho had wanted a few bucks and a couple of credit cards. :-(
Cho wanted LIVES, not money, Mr. Fordney. Until you understand that,
you will continue to a babe in the woods, making naive comments,
equating good people with bad ones, assigning to those good people all
your own dark fantasies.
So, while the papers are full of violent criminal behavior, and none
of it by concealed handgun permit holders, you are SERIOUSLY worried
about being a victim of a permit holder gone bad, Mr. Fordney?
You stand a better chance of getting hit by lightning a dozen times:
http://www.nvdaily.com/news/2009/02/chris-fordney-guns-are-winning-in-capital.html
http://tinyurl.com/dnjyue
Chris Fordney: Guns are winning in capital
Philip Van Cleave has been kind enough to send me an e-mail about the
activities of his group, the Virginia Citizens Defense League, which
fights restrictions on guns for civilians and is not to be confused
with the Virginia Defense Force, the state's unarmed military reserve
organization.
The VCDL has been as organized and active as usual this year. "Pro-gun
bills flood General Assembly," the release is headlined.
The group's Web site states that its rally in Richmond on Martin
Luther King Jr. Day was "a stunning success." Some might think it was
poor taste to hold it that day, but parking was free around the
Capitol and gun-control groups have chosen that day for vigils, etc.,
so the VCDL apparently wanted its folks to be there too.
It's amazing how well the VCDL was received in Richmond. In the
e-mail, Van Cleave acknowledges how cooperative Capitol police were
for allowing members to be admitted by showing their concealed-carry
permits. Now, where else would security let people in with guns?
The VCDL is serving up its usual menu of bills that seek the lifting
of controls on carrying concealed weapons just about anywhere. Among
their victories in recent years have been to eliminate restrictions in
state and national parks, where muggers, rapists and murderers are
known to congregate in large numbers.
By contrast, the perennial gun-control bill that would close the
loophole that allows private sales at gun shows without background
checks made it out of a Senate committee, but is considered an easy
target for pro-gun Republicans in the House of Delegates.
The VCDL is also chafing against the "onerous" one-gun-a-month
purchase restriction in Virginia. This has been a terrible hardship,
allowing each gun owner to buy only about 200 handguns since this law
went into effect. It's harder to gauge its effect on gangsters who
might want to stop off at a store in Virginia and fill up a suitcase
with Glocks.
Also, the much-feared gun seizure by President Obama has not come to
pass. Obama has moved boldly and swiftly on a variety of his goals, so
it's a mystery as to why he hasn't sent the feds into the South for
the mass removal of firearms.
So the guns seem to be winning and I have even considered joining the
crowd and getting a concealed-carry permit. With 160,000 people in the
commonwealth now carrying concealed heat, you know there must be a few
kooks among that generally law-abiding bunch, and I want to be ready
for when I come across one of them.
Seriously, I worry less these days about muggers and more about
running into some wacko with a chip on his shoulder, a pistol legally
hidden under his coat and a readiness to provoke someone into giving
him an excuse to use it.
I figure if a robber runs up and sticks a gun in my face and demands
my wallet, I will dramatically raise my chances of being killed if I
pull out a gun. If I wait until he turns and runs with my money and
then shoot him in the back, I've acted as cop, jury, judge and
executioner over the loss of a few bucks and a couple of credit cards.
Many people are carrying guns and have received training on how to use
them. A much trickier issue is when to use them.
Contact Chris Fordney at cfordney@nvdaily.com
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VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc.
(VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization
dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to
Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.
VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
***************************************************************************
VA-ALERT: legislative update 2/2/09
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Van Cleave
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:01 PM
Subject: VA-ALERT: legislative update 2/2/09
----------------------------------------------------------------------
VCDL's meeting schedule: http://www.vcdl.org/meetings.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Abbreviations used in VA-ALERT: http://www.vcdl.org/help/abbr.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1. SENATOR MARSH'S GUN SHOW BILL VOTE IS DELAYED AGAIN
2. MORE PRO-GUN BILLS PASS OUT OF COMMITTEE
3. WHO'S PARANOID? COLUMNIST DOESN'T HAVE A MIRROR
****************************************************
1. SENATOR MARSH'S GUN SHOW BILL VOTE IS DELAYED AGAIN
****************************************************
Senator Marsh on the Senate Floor asked that his gun show bill, SB
1257, be passed by for the day again - thus avoiding a vote on that
bill today.
What does that mean?
Probably that he can't get enough votes to pass the bill.
The other two times this bill has made it to the Floor of the Senate
over the years, this was how it worked out: they kept passing it by,
hoping to find more votes and they kept losing votes the longer they
delayed.
If you haven't contacted your Senator to oppose SB 1257, do so now!
****************************************************
2. MORE PRO-GUN BILLS PASS OUT OF COMMITTEE
****************************************************
Today in the Senate Courts of Justice committee, the following bills
were passed out of committee:
SB 1384, Senator Stolle, repeals the Virginia law that requires police
to enforce the federal silencer registration laws. The repeal makes
perfect sense as Virginia law enforcement cannot get the silencer
registration information for the Internal Revenue Service to enforce it.
The bill passed by 11 to 4.
Senators voting pro-gun (note that even Senator Saslaw supports this
repeal):
Saslaw, Stolle, Quayle, Norment, Edwards, Reynolds, Cuccinelli,
Obenshain, McDougle, Deeds, Hurt
Senators voting anti-gun:
Marsh, Howell, Lucas, Puller
-
SB 1528, Senator Cuccinelli, clarifies that on-line training for a
concealed handgun permit is acceptable.
The bill passed by 11 to 4.
Senators voting pro-gun (Senator Saslaw supported this clarification
also. The vote was exactly the same as on Senator Stolle's silencer
bill):
Saslaw, Stolle, Quayle, Norment, Edwards, Reynolds, Cuccinelli,
Obenshain, McDougle, Deeds, Hurt
Senators voting anti-gun:
Marsh, Howell, Lucas, Puller
****************************************************
3. WHO'S PARANOID? COLUMNIST DOESN'T HAVE A MIRROR
****************************************************
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, Chris Fordney, a
columnist for NVDaily.com, sets a new standard for blind hypocrisy in
his article, "Guns are winning the capital."
He says, "Among their [VCDL] victories in recent years have been to
eliminate restrictions in state and national parks, where muggers,
rapists and murderers are known to congregate in large numbers."
That sarcastic jab at gun owners, implies that we are paranoid to feel
the need to carry a gun in such "safe" places.
But then he says, "I worry less these days about muggers and more
about running into some wacko with a chip on his shoulder, a pistol
**legally** hidden under his coat and a readiness to provoke someone
into giving him an excuse to use it."
That is such a bizarre statement on so many fronts, I don't even know
where to begin addressing it. Permit holders are just looking for an
excuse to murder someone? Or is that what YOU would do if you had a
permit, Mr. Fordney?
He then explains how he thinks that permit holders would shoot a
fleeing felon in the back:
"I figure if a robber runs up and sticks a gun in my face and demands
my wallet, I will dramatically raise my chances of being killed if I
pull out a gun. If I wait until he turns and runs with my money and
then shoot him in the back, I've acted as cop, jury, judge and
executioner over the loss of a few bucks and a couple of credit cards."
Notice how naive that comment is.
If only Cho had wanted a few bucks and a couple of credit cards. :-(
Cho wanted LIVES, not money, Mr. Fordney. Until you understand that,
you will continue to a babe in the woods, making naive comments,
equating good people with bad ones, assigning to those good people all
your own dark fantasies.
So, while the papers are full of violent criminal behavior, and none
of it by concealed handgun permit holders, you are SERIOUSLY worried
about being a victim of a permit holder gone bad, Mr. Fordney?
You stand a better chance of getting hit by lightning a dozen times:
http://www.nvdaily.com/news/2009/02/chris-fordney-guns-are-winning-in-capital.html
http://tinyurl.com/dnjyue
Chris Fordney: Guns are winning in capital
Philip Van Cleave has been kind enough to send me an e-mail about the
activities of his group, the Virginia Citizens Defense League, which
fights restrictions on guns for civilians and is not to be confused
with the Virginia Defense Force, the state's unarmed military reserve
organization.
The VCDL has been as organized and active as usual this year. "Pro-gun
bills flood General Assembly," the release is headlined.
The group's Web site states that its rally in Richmond on Martin
Luther King Jr. Day was "a stunning success." Some might think it was
poor taste to hold it that day, but parking was free around the
Capitol and gun-control groups have chosen that day for vigils, etc.,
so the VCDL apparently wanted its folks to be there too.
It's amazing how well the VCDL was received in Richmond. In the
e-mail, Van Cleave acknowledges how cooperative Capitol police were
for allowing members to be admitted by showing their concealed-carry
permits. Now, where else would security let people in with guns?
The VCDL is serving up its usual menu of bills that seek the lifting
of controls on carrying concealed weapons just about anywhere. Among
their victories in recent years have been to eliminate restrictions in
state and national parks, where muggers, rapists and murderers are
known to congregate in large numbers.
By contrast, the perennial gun-control bill that would close the
loophole that allows private sales at gun shows without background
checks made it out of a Senate committee, but is considered an easy
target for pro-gun Republicans in the House of Delegates.
The VCDL is also chafing against the "onerous" one-gun-a-month
purchase restriction in Virginia. This has been a terrible hardship,
allowing each gun owner to buy only about 200 handguns since this law
went into effect. It's harder to gauge its effect on gangsters who
might want to stop off at a store in Virginia and fill up a suitcase
with Glocks.
Also, the much-feared gun seizure by President Obama has not come to
pass. Obama has moved boldly and swiftly on a variety of his goals, so
it's a mystery as to why he hasn't sent the feds into the South for
the mass removal of firearms.
So the guns seem to be winning and I have even considered joining the
crowd and getting a concealed-carry permit. With 160,000 people in the
commonwealth now carrying concealed heat, you know there must be a few
kooks among that generally law-abiding bunch, and I want to be ready
for when I come across one of them.
Seriously, I worry less these days about muggers and more about
running into some wacko with a chip on his shoulder, a pistol legally
hidden under his coat and a readiness to provoke someone into giving
him an excuse to use it.
I figure if a robber runs up and sticks a gun in my face and demands
my wallet, I will dramatically raise my chances of being killed if I
pull out a gun. If I wait until he turns and runs with my money and
then shoot him in the back, I've acted as cop, jury, judge and
executioner over the loss of a few bucks and a couple of credit cards.
Many people are carrying guns and have received training on how to use
them. A much trickier issue is when to use them.
Contact Chris Fordney at cfordney@nvdaily.com
-------------------------------------------
***************************************************************************
VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc.
(VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization
dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to
Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.
VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
***************************************************************************