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    Senator Hutchison Defends 2nd Ammendment From Obama's Attorney General Pick


    Obama's pick for Attorney General has publicly and intentionally misinterpretted the 2nd Ammendment.

    A coincidence that he was chosen by Obama as Attorney General? I think not.

    (7 minutes) http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=26c_1233718620



    Senator Hutchison Defends the 2nd Ammendment on MSNBC

    (50 Seconds) http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2fe_1233718182

    Were in for a heck of a wild ride now


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    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/20669.html

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/18604-2.html

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/21215.html

    Yeah, it was covered.

    The only problem was that enough of us (you know, we millions of gun-owners'? ) didn't hammer our legislators' nationwide to change the outcome.

    That's the way it works, so now we get to deal with the results of that inaction.

    Unless the Dems are totally stupid, they should realize by now that we're too dis-organized and too weak-willed to put up any type of effective legislative fight.

    Look for the AWB - soon. Pete

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    spy1 wrote:

    Right but myTopic is about "Senator Hutchison Defending 2nd Ammendment"



    Plus, I have Video



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    why must we have traitors and tyrants in our midst!

    AS far as I am concerned any goverment official who says the 2A is not for the citizens of the U.S.A and support and partake in gun control ought to be convicted of treason because either they are with we the people or they arewith THE TERRORISTS! Of course I know they have ulterior motives and its not for the safety of the american people.



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    The first video is where Hutchinson spoke in congress. It's AWESOME and she bought to the table some things I have never really thought about.

    Like if 2A were meant to be a GOVERNMENT ONLY thing, Then why is it in the Bill of Rights ?

    Excellent Point eh ?

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    If he has offered this opinion since the Heller ruling, this bothers me. The SCOTUS having held otherwise, he needs to get with the program.

    -ljp

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    Is there a way to reach out to Holder's office to get him on the record for where he stands today? And, is it against the law to call him an *******?

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    I think if you Directly call him a *&%*&$^("You are a *&^%$&")He would have a Case aginst you , However if you say "I think you are an *&^%*&" You should be Fine.

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    So, it would be better to say that his thoughts and beliefs are similar to those of asocialistic a$$hole, as opposed to outright calling him a socialistic a$$hole?

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    Yep :celebrate

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    I just looked and there do appear to be transcripts from Holder's confirmation hearing on line at a NY Times site.

    Following is a portion of that transcript. It remains to be seen how hard they will work to circumvent this in real life.

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    Coburn: Heller. I believe SCOTUS got it right. Tell me where you sit today and with that thought what you would do with that.

    Holder: Post-Heller the options we have in terms of regulating firearms has been narrowed. It has not been eliminated, but reasonable restrictions are still possible. The Heller decision has to be factored in now. I don't think we should turn away from discussions about who has guns and how they should be used. I think that we're in a different world.

    Coburn: Do you agree that outside of sporting use there's a right to own a gun?

    Holder: [a little surprised by the question] Post-Heller definitely. I agree with Obama closing gun show loophole, banning sale of cop-killer bullets. Those are the things we need to focus on.

    Coburn: As AG will you make a commitment to defending Heller?

    Holder: Sure.

    Coburn: Would you also do so if SCOTUS granted Cert for a case revisiting Heller.

    Holder: I'm a lawyer who follows stare decisis. Ultimate arbiter has said what 2nd Amendment says. Heller is a significant opinion.


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    TFred wrote:
    I just looked and there do appear to be transcripts from Holder's confirmation hearing on line at a NY Times site.

    Following is a portion of that transcript. It remains to be seen how hard they will work to circumvent this in real life.

    TFred



    Coburn: Heller. I believe SCOTUS got it right. Tell me where you sit today and with that thought what you would do with that.

    Holder: Post-Heller the options we have in terms of regulating firearms has been narrowed. It has not been eliminated, but reasonable restrictions are still possible. The Heller decision has to be factored in now. I don't think we should turn away from discussions about who has guns and how they should be used. I think that we're in a different world.

    Coburn: Do you agree that outside of sporting use there's a right to own a gun?

    Holder: [a little surprised by the question] Post-Heller definitely. I agree with Obama closing gun show loophole, banning sale of cop-killer bullets. Those are the things we need to focus on.

    Coburn: As AG will you make a commitment to defending Heller?

    Holder: Sure.

    Coburn: Would you also do so if SCOTUS granted Cert for a case revisiting Heller.

    Holder: I'm a lawyer who follows stare decisis. Ultimate arbiter has said what 2nd Amendment says. Heller is a significant opinion.
    You could take the names out and you'd still smell politician all over it.

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    Well we can thank these Republicians that stabbed us in the back.

    Alexander (R-TN), Bennett (R-UT), Chambliss (R-GA), Collins (R-ME), Corker (R-TN), Graham (R-SC), Grassley (R-IA), Gregg (R-NH), Hatch (R-UT), Isakson (R-GA), Kyl (R-AZ), Lugar (R-IN), McCain (R-AZ), Murkowski (R-AK), Pryor (D-AR), Sessions (R-AL), Specter (R-PA), Voinovich (R-OH)
    "Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death !" Patrick Henry

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    MI-copperhead wrote:
    Well we can thank these Republicians that stabbed us in the back.

    Alexander (R-TN), Bennett (R-UT), Chambliss (R-GA), Collins (R-ME), Corker (R-TN), Graham (R-SC), Grassley (R-IA), Gregg (R-NH), Hatch (R-UT), Isakson (R-GA), Kyl (R-AZ), Lugar (R-IN), McCain (R-AZ), Murkowski (R-AK), Pryor (D-AR), Sessions (R-AL), Specter (R-PA), Voinovich (R-OH)
    Chambliss was endorsed by the NRA. Actually the whole GOP along with Fake News Channel stabbed us by there bias during the GOP primaries. Want to ensure your gun rights, look to my avatar.

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    "cop-killer bullets".

    That one still gets me. A wadcutter is just as lethal as a hydroshock, is just as lethal as a steel-core round.

    This jackhole is going to mess things up. He's an aspiring lawyer looking to get good with the agenda.

    I'd like to especially thank my crooked senators, Feinstine and Boxer, for not listening to the voices of their constituents. Despite calls/e-mails they voted in favor. I guess the few hundred of us in SoCal can't be louder than the few-tens-of-thousands of anti-rights hippies in metro areas and NorCal.
    Gun control isn't about guns -- it is about control.

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    Anti-gun Eric Holder Sworn In As Attorney General
    -- See who stabbed you in the back

    Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
    8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
    Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
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    Wednesday, February 4, 2009

    GOA wants to thank all of you for your hard work in opposing the
    extremely anti-gun Eric Holder for Attorney General.

    While we lost the battle on Monday (by a vote of 75-21), you guys
    registered your opposition loud and clear.

    There is no doubt that your activism truly made gun rights THE issue in
    this nomination battle. Every Senator who spoke against Holder
    mentioned Second Amendment fears. And even among many of the Senators
    who voted for him, there was tremendous concern regarding Holder's
    stance on gun rights.

    As stated by The Washington Post yesterday, "Holder overcame concerns by
    a small but vocal group of GOP lawmakers about his position on national
    security and GUN RIGHTS, as well as his recommendations in two
    controversial clemency decisions by President Bill Clinton."

    This was truly a battle worth fighting. In fact, the man who was being
    deified two weeks ago is now the very same President who is widely seen
    as not being able to shoot straight in selecting cabinet members and is
    already starting to lose public support. The battle over Holder was
    certainly central to taking the bloom off this rose.

    So thank you for helping magnify our voice on Capitol Hill. GOA spent
    many hours lobbying against Holder, as we were the only gun rights group
    in Washington to tell Senators we would be rating this vote in our
    end-of-session grade report.

    With Holder in office, you can expect to see renewed efforts to drive
    gun dealers and manufacturers out of business -- similar to the efforts
    he supported while in the Clinton administration.

    Expect also to see attempts to classify more guns as "not suitable" for
    sporting purposes. And don't be surprised to see attempts to use the No
    Fly List to disqualify gun owners from exercising their Second Amendment
    rights. (Bureaucrats can add innocent Americans to the No Fly List --
    and have done so -- without any due process of law being followed.)

    With Eric Holder at the helm, the list could easily become a No Gun
    List, as there are already discussions in Washington about doing this.

    All the above horror scenarios are policies that could conceivably occur
    without ANY legislation being passed in Congress. That is what makes
    Holder's confirmation as Attorney General so dangerous. Through the use
    of Executive Orders or by prosecuting gun owners, Holder can inflict
    much damage upon the Second Amendment -- even apart from lending his
    support for legislation, such as renewing the semi-auto ban.

    So what can we do now? Is the battle over Holder finished?

    No, not yet. There's one more action item that needs to be taken.
    There are 75 Senators who ignored your pleas to vote against Holder.
    They need to hear from you and know that you're upset.

    They need to be reminded again and again that voting for gun control is
    what cost Bill Clinton's party the control of Congress in 1994... and Al
    Gore his election in 2000... and John Kerry the presidency in 2004.

    And don't forget, there are the 21 Senators who voted right. They need
    to be thanked. So please don't file this alert until you've taken the
    action item below.

    ACTION: Please use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at
    http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your Senators a
    pre-written e-mail message. You will be prompted to input your zip
    code, which will then bring up the correct letter for your Senators.

    The pre-written letter will differ according to whether your Senator
    voted in favor or against Eric Holder. (Three Senators missed the vote
    entirely. GOA is treating their absence as an anti-gun action.)

    NOTE: GOA's pre-written letters are usually editable by the sender. In
    this instance, they are not for the sake of avoiding confusion, so that
    Senators who voted wrong are not thanked (and vice versa).


    ---------------------------------------------------------------

    SENATORS WHO VOTED FOR ERIC HOLDER (AN ANTI-GUN VOTE):

    Akaka (D-HI)
    Alexander (R-TN)
    Baucus (D-MT)
    Bayh (D-IN)
    Bennet (D-CO)
    Bennett (R-UT)
    Bingaman (D-NM)
    Bond (R-MO)
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Brown (D-OH)
    Burris (D-IL)
    Byrd (D-WV)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Cardin (D-MD)
    Carper (D-DE)
    Casey (D-PA)
    Chambliss (R-GA)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Conrad (D-ND)
    Corker (R-TN)
    Dodd (D-CT)
    Dorgan (D-ND)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Feingold (D-WI)
    Feinstein (D-CA)
    Gillibrand (D-NY)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Gregg (R-NH)
    Hagan (D-NC)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Johnson (D-SD)
    Kaufman (D-DE)
    Kerry (D-MA)
    Klobuchar (D-MN)
    Kohl (D-WI)
    Kyl (R-AZ)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Lautenberg (D-NJ)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Lieberman (ID-CT)
    Lincoln (D-AR)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McCaskill (D-MO)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Merkley (D-OR)
    Mikulski (D-MD)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Nelson (D-FL)
    Nelson (D-NE)
    Pryor (D-AR)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Reid (D-NV)
    Rockefeller (D-WV)
    Sanders (I-VT)
    Schumer (D-NY)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shaheen (D-NH)
    Snowe (R-ME)
    Specter (R-PA)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Tester (D-MT)
    Udall (D-CO)
    Udall (D-NM)
    Voinovich (R-OH)
    Warner (D-VA)
    Webb (D-VA)
    Whitehouse (D-RI)
    Wyden (D-OR)

    SENATORS WHO VOTED AGAINST HOLDER (A PRO-GUN VOTE)

    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Brownback (R-KS)
    Bunning (R-KY)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    DeMint (R-SC)
    Ensign (R-NV)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Hutchison (R-TX)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Johanns (R-NE)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Vitter (R-LA)
    Wicker (R-MS)

    SENATORS NOT VOTING

    Begich (D-AK)
    Kennedy (D-MA)
    Martinez (R-FL)

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    What exactly is a "cop killer" bullet? I wasn't aware that bullets were designed to specifically kill cops. Are they genetically different? Or are all bullets "cop killer" bullets?

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    kurtmax_0 wrote:
    What exactly is a "cop killer" bullet? I wasn't aware that bullets were designed to specifically kill cops. Are they genetically different? Or are all bullets "cop killer" bullets?
    http://savvysurvivor.com.cnchost.com/fn_5.htm

    5.7X28 has been deemed "cop killer"

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    .40 Cal wrote:
    kurtmax_0 wrote:
    What exactly is a "cop killer" bullet? I wasn't aware that bullets were designed to specifically kill cops. Are they genetically different? Or are all bullets "cop killer" bullets?
    http://savvysurvivor.com.cnchost.com/fn_5.htm

    5.7X28 has been deemed "cop killer"
    Yea, no matter whoever else gets killed with it, just as long as Cops dont !

    Pfft....

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    The lunatics are running the asylum.... as a village in Kenyasearches forits missing idiot.

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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    The lunatics are running the asylum... as a village in Kenyasearches forits missing idiot.
    He's sending them money just like a Guatemalan siding mechanic.

    BTW, very cool Bonny Blue. Do you, umm, "believe"?

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    demnogis wrote:
    "cop-killer bullets".

    That one still gets me. A wadcutter is just as lethal as a hydroshock, is just as lethal as a steel-core round.
    Don't forget a ball-penn hammer in the hands of someone committed, would have the same effect.

    Hhmmm. Maybe we should banball-penn hammerstoo.

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    No offense, but that thread title is misleading.

    The new AG did not say 2A does not protect individual rights. Thestatement was made before he became AG. And given its distance in the past, its definitely past-tense--said--not present tense.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    While you may be semantically correct, you can bet that Holder is one leopard who will NEVER change his spots. Time will tell (very quickly, I believe). Pete

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