jchen012
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Just read this:
What do you guys think? What do you think will happen to gun laws?
Just read this:
What do you guys think? What do you think will happen to gun laws?
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OT: Washington State Introduces Claim to State Sovereignty
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cynicist
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If I understand correctly, that means that the states can violate the Bill of Rights as long as the federal gov't stays out?
If I understand correctly, that means that the states can violate the Bill of Rights as long as the federal gov't stays out?
kparker
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You don't. It means states are pushing back against the idea that the Federal Government has unlimited powers.
You don't. It means states are pushing back against the idea that the Federal Government has unlimited powers.
Spaceman Spiff
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:uhoh:???cynicist wrote:
:uhoh:???cynicist wrote:
sirpuma
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cynicist wrote:
cynicist wrote:
The BOR and Constitution are still applicable. They give us our freedoms and define our rights. The point is that the Constitution also defines where the powers lay and this is to remind the Fed of their limitations. It doesn't mean that the state can violate the Constitution; it reminds the Federal government NOT to violate it.
sv_libertarian
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The Constitution and BOR do not give us freedoms and rights, rather they list a handful of preexisting, inalienable rights. A government cannot give rights, they can merely codify or list ones that already exist.
The Constitution and BOR do not give us freedoms and rights, rather they list a handful of preexisting, inalienable rights. A government cannot give rights, they can merely codify or list ones that already exist.
deepdiver
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I'm glad to see that this concept seems to be starting to spread. The 17th amendment, changing the election of senators to a direct election instead of election by state legislators as originally conceived, essentially removed the voice of the states from the halls of the US congress and has now relegated them to little more than lobbyists and panderers, on equal footing with other special interest groups. I think the beginning of a real solution to the fed's encroachments is to repeal the 17th and restore the rightful place of the states in congress.
I'm glad to see that this concept seems to be starting to spread. The 17th amendment, changing the election of senators to a direct election instead of election by state legislators as originally conceived, essentially removed the voice of the states from the halls of the US congress and has now relegated them to little more than lobbyists and panderers, on equal footing with other special interest groups. I think the beginning of a real solution to the fed's encroachments is to repeal the 17th and restore the rightful place of the states in congress.
PoppaGary
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deepdiver wrote:
But until we get the local politicians back in line,I thinkit would make matters worse.
Gary
deepdiver wrote:
In this day and age of "crony-ism" or whatever you want to call it? It is hardto tell what they are doing or approve of most the laws and actions our elected representatives do now, I don't think I want them to select my senator. Now that it looks like people are finally starting to get upset and take action we might be able to go that route.
But until we get the local politicians back in line,I thinkit would make matters worse.
Gary
shad0wfax
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+10 for the Tenth Amendment!!!!!!!!!!
It's a shame we need special bills in state legislatures to "legalize" something that is already a right enumerated in the Constitution of the United States.
+10 for the Tenth Amendment!!!!!!!!!!
It's a shame we need special bills in state legislatures to "legalize" something that is already a right enumerated in the Constitution of the United States.
uncoolperson
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more than just us
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=21435&forum_id=4&jump_to=357408#p357408
more than just us
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=21435&forum_id=4&jump_to=357408#p357408
cynicist
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I thought I remembered something about it used to be that the States would claim that the BoR only applied to the federal gov't, and therefore they didn't have to follow it, and until that line was overturned, the 10th Amendment was the justification.
Is there anyone pushing for a bill again that would require the legislature to note in every resolution what part of the Constitution authorizes it?
I see. I was way off.
I thought I remembered something about it used to be that the States would claim that the BoR only applied to the federal gov't, and therefore they didn't have to follow it, and until that line was overturned, the 10th Amendment was the justification.
Is there anyone pushing for a bill again that would require the legislature to note in every resolution what part of the Constitution authorizes it?
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Indeed, one of several:
http://www.taxtruth4u.com/eight states.html (some of those links aren't to real bills).
This bill, and those like it, are unbelievably timely and appropriate. Such a breath of fresh air. I wrote my state reps and senator about it and a few others:
SJM 8002 - Requesting that Congress Audit the Federal Reserve System: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/Summary.aspx?bill=8002&year=2009
HJM 4010 - (Sound Money Memorial): http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=4010
SB 5395 - Concerning the Excise taxation of bullion and rare earth metals: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=5395
HJM 4009 - Claiming state sovereignty under the 10th Amendment: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/Summary.aspx?bill=4009&year=2009
Indeed, one of several:
http://www.taxtruth4u.com/eight states.html (some of those links aren't to real bills).
This bill, and those like it, are unbelievably timely and appropriate. Such a breath of fresh air. I wrote my state reps and senator about it and a few others:
SJM 8002 - Requesting that Congress Audit the Federal Reserve System: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/Summary.aspx?bill=8002&year=2009
HJM 4010 - (Sound Money Memorial): http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=4010
SB 5395 - Concerning the Excise taxation of bullion and rare earth metals: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=5395
HJM 4009 - Claiming state sovereignty under the 10th Amendment: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/Summary.aspx?bill=4009&year=2009
kparker
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And what practical effect would that have? Look at current Commerce Clause jurisprudence for a perfect (perfectly sad) example of how things can be twisted to justify government power.
And what practical effect would that have? Look at current Commerce Clause jurisprudence for a perfect (perfectly sad) example of how things can be twisted to justify government power.
Wheelgunner
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The Constitution and BOR do not give us freedoms and rights, rather they list a handful of preexisting, inalienable rights. A government cannot give rights, they can merely codify or list ones that already exist.
+1
Exactly Right...
The Constitution and BOR do not give us freedoms and rights, rather they list a handful of preexisting, inalienable rights. A government cannot give rights, they can merely codify or list ones that already exist.
+1
Exactly Right...
cynicist
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I know it's been tried before, and I believe it was John Glenn that said something like "if this thing passes, we wouldn't be able to pass half the laws we pass." That's a pretty practical affect.
Well, if Congress couldn't come up with a Constitutional basis for it's resolutions, then they could not pass them.
I know it's been tried before, and I believe it was John Glenn that said something like "if this thing passes, we wouldn't be able to pass half the laws we pass." That's a pretty practical affect.
kparker
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cynicist,
I think you're not living up to your name. If such a thing passed, I can guarantee you that every subsequent bill would contain a constitutional pretense. Far fewer would actually have a constitutional justification.
cynicist,
I think you're not living up to your name. If such a thing passed, I can guarantee you that every subsequent bill would contain a constitutional pretense. Far fewer would actually have a constitutional justification.
mb419
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I have never done this, but I contacted every one of the sponsors and thanked them for their support of the Constitution and then I contacted my representatives and urged them to support HJM 4009. I think this is something everyone should do, as this is so important. It only takes a few minutes to e-mail these people and it might do some good.
I have never done this, but I contacted every one of the sponsors and thanked them for their support of the Constitution and then I contacted my representatives and urged them to support HJM 4009. I think this is something everyone should do, as this is so important. It only takes a few minutes to e-mail these people and it might do some good.
deepdiver
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According to an email a friend sent this morning, several other states are introducing such bills this year. Here's the link I was sent (I know some people will not like the source, however, links within the story provide the proof).
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88218
According to an email a friend sent this morning, several other states are introducing such bills this year. Here's the link I was sent (I know some people will not like the source, however, links within the story provide the proof).
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88218
Window_Seat
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I searched for this topic, and here is what I came up with because I didn't want to start a "dupe", so BTT to ask if there has been any news, updates, etc. on this 10th Amendment Sovereignty movement? The State of MT just signed theirs. What about WA?
Erik.
I searched for this topic, and here is what I came up with because I didn't want to start a "dupe", so BTT to ask if there has been any news, updates, etc. on this 10th Amendment Sovereignty movement? The State of MT just signed theirs. What about WA?
Erik.