Gun Owner = No Knock Warrant

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If i am not mistaken didn't the Iraq military under there commander and chief do the same thing in the name of state security ?And anybody that resisted were shot (sound familiar) dogs, men, women, children,

Hitler and all the others have done the same thing , of stomping on your human rights in the name of )(*&(*^(&%&TOIHIUHG, or security


Let me add this one thought to all law enforcement officers, what would you do if in the middle of the night, a bunch of military men with full auto's kicked your doors in yelling delta force, or UN security, or militia patrol?????Don't think it will happen, just keep up the B & E into peoples homes under the color of law !!!!!!!!!!

It's time for the judges to be more careful about signing those warrents

If you want someone, wait like a cat and catch them out in the open, not on there turf.....

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mastiff69 wrote:

If i am not mistaken didn't the Iraq military under there commander and chief do the same thing in the name of state security ?And anybody that resisted were shot (sound familiar) dogs, men, women, children,

Hitler and all the others have done the same thing , of stomping on your human rights in the name of )(*&(*^(&%&TOIHIUHG, or security


Let me add this one thought to all law enforcement officers, what would you do if in the middle of the night, a bunch of military men with full auto's kicked your doors in yelling delta force, or UN security, or militia patrol?????Don't think it will happen, just keep up the B & E into peoples homes under the color of law !!!!!!!!!!

It's time for the judges to be more careful about signing those warrents

If you want someone, wait like a cat and catch them out in the open, not on there turf.....

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I'm a little surprised that the new liberal administration isn't all over this breach of constitutional rights. They arent big on the 2nd, but are on the other amendments.

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jegoodin wrote:

I'm a little surprised that the new liberal administration isn't all over this breach of constitutional rights. They arent big on the 2nd, but are on the other amendments.

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Liberals always herald in the destruction of personal rights.

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Thundar wrote:

jegoodin wrote:

I'm a little surprised that the new liberal administration isn't all over this breach of constitutional rights. They arent big on the 2nd, but are on the other amendments.

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Liberals always herald in the destruction of personal rights.

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unless of course it is their rights which are destroyed--then they cry and whine and blubber on the nightly news...

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jegoodin wrote:

mastiff69 wrote:

If i am not mistaken didn't the Iraq military under there commander and chief do the same thing in the name of state security ?And anybody that resisted were shot (sound familiar) dogs, men, women, children,

Hitler and all the others have done the same thing , of stomping on your human rights in the name of )(*&(*^(&%&TOIHIUHG, or security


Let me add this one thought to all law enforcement officers, what would you do if in the middle of the night, a bunch of military men with full auto's kicked your doors in yelling delta force, or UN security, or militia patrol?????Don't think it will happen, just keep up the B & E into peoples homes under the color of law !!!!!!!!!!

It's time for the judges to be more careful about signing those warrents

If you want someone, wait like a cat and catch them out in the open, not on there turf.....

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I'm a little surprised that the new liberal administration isn't all over this breach of constitutional rights. They arent big on the 2nd, but are on the other amendments.

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Proof of this statement? Because since the new admin has come to power I have heard the atty. general call us a nation of cowards, and cry out for a new semi-auto ban, as I won't degrade a semi-auto AK47 by calling it an "assault weapon" which it isn't and in the process they are selling out the Constitution and our rights to please the Mexican government(or at least that is the lie they are telling us)...remember, this admin called not only called for a re-write of the Constitution during the campaign, but also called for an "internal security force that is just as well funded, and just as well trained and equipped as the military"--can you say KGB comrade? The ultimate goal of this admin I believe is to make us into a French style socialistic society, or perhaps into a Chinese communistic type society--I just have not yet come to the conclusion of which will be worse....

Since this admin has come to power I have seen absolutely NO evidence whatsoever to back up your assertion that they care about our Constitutional Rights--although I do see them chomping at the bits to destroy our rights and the Constitution....

So please--do you have proof? Because I would love to see how they care about our rights.

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suntzu wrote:

how's that?

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If the dog was in the bedroom, it sounds like the JBT attacked first.
Probably goaded the dog by manhandleing its master.

Meanwhile in AK they just walk up to the doctors home who has registered machine guns
and granade launchers.

I hope the judge gets his a** shot up next, if he is issuing warrents to kill animals
on site with no provocation.
If they are so well trained then why wasn't that training used to subdue
the dog with non leathal force.

The stolen items were probably the drug planting stash, and throw away pieces.
Any relations to the cohorts in atlanta? at the very least same training seminars
possibly.

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SlackwareRobert wrote:

If the dog was in the bedroom, it sounds like the JBT attacked first.
Probably goaded the dog by manhandleing its master.

Meanwhile in AK they just walk up to the doctors home who has registered machine guns
and granade launchers.

I hope the judge gets his a** shot up next, if he is issuing warrents to kill animals
on site with no provocation.
If they are so well trained then why wasn't that training used to subdue
the dog with non leathal force.

The stolen items were probably the drug planting stash, and throw away pieces.
Any relations to the cohorts in atlanta? at the very least same training seminars
possibly.

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The person who suffered the injustice of having the "swat" team shoot up his house, threaten his life and the life of his family and kill his dog--I absolutely hope he sues and does not even leave those worthless cops a pot to p*ss in, as well as receiving such a huge judgment against the "city" that employed them, that he can actually foreclose on the police department and the city hall and then sell the buildings, squad cars, and the rest of the city property at public auction...every last one of those "officers" should be in jail for at least the next 20yrs.

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suntzu wrote:

SlackwareRobert wrote:

If the dog was in the bedroom, it sounds like the JBT attacked first.
Probably goaded the dog by manhandleing its master.

Meanwhile in AK they just walk up to the doctors home who has registered machine guns
and granade launchers.

I hope the judge gets his a** shot up next, if he is issuing warrents to kill animals
on site with no provocation.
If they are so well trained then why wasn't that training used to subdue
the dog with non leathal force.

The stolen items were probably the drug planting stash, and throw away pieces.
Any relations to the cohorts in atlanta? at the very least same training seminars
possibly.

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The person who suffered the injustice of having the "swat" team shoot up his house, threaten his life and the life of his family and kill his dog--I absolutely hope he sues and does not even leave those worthless cops a pot to p*ss in, as well as receiving such a huge judgment against the "city" that employed them, that he can actually foreclose on the police department and the city hall and then sell the buildings, squad cars, and the rest of the city property at public auction...every last one of those "officers" should be in jail for at least the next 20yrs.

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I see you really like cops. While this story sounds like extreme police behaviour to me, it also seems extreme to suggest the officers should all be in jail, when you don't even know the facts that led to the raid and what evidence led to the warrant. Further, do you think individual officer's have a choice about going on a raid backed by a warrant? I mean the cops cannot go on such a raid unless they present evidence to a judge and convince the judge to issue a warrant, right?

Do you think cops should never go on such raids? How about when going after gangbangers for murder charges? I agree that a law abiding gun owner having done nothing wrong should never be subject to such treatment, but there may be alot more to this story.

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This is very scary, indeed. Sadly, the outcome would be quite different if it had been my home. There would be bloodshed. I usually have a .45 at arm's reach, even when I'm sleeping. I'm not in the habit of going against law enforcement for any reason, but a "no-knock" warrant would be a very bad idea, indeed. If they want to talk to me, I will gladly show up "downtown" to answer questions (with my lawyer in tow).

The police in this area KNOW most homeowners have firearms and would probably NOT act like JBT's if they wanted to question someone. We're all involved in Neighborhood Watch and have a good relationship with our Community Deputy.

Its had to believe this happened in this country. What are we coming to???:uhoh:

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Citizen wrote:

And it needs to be codified that SWAT, during one of these no-knock raids, may shoot any dogs. Agressive or not. Just because a dog isn't attacking, doesn't mean it won't once the SWAT moves to apply hand-cuffs.

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Paw cuffs?



Someone on the Reason site said basically all I have to say.

I fail to see how sending a squad of heavily armed and armored officers into a house without the permission of the owner does anything to ensure the safety of anyone inside the house.

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MSC 45ACP wrote:

This is very scary, indeed. Sadly, the outcome would be quite different if it had been my home. There would be bloodshed. I usually have a .45 at arm's reach, even when I'm sleeping. I'm not in the habit of going against law enforcement for any reason, but a "no-knock" warrant would be a very bad idea, indeed. If they want to talk to me, I will gladly show up "downtown" to answer questions (with my lawyer in tow).

The police in this area KNOW most homeowners have firearms and would probably NOT act like JBT's if they wanted to question someone. We're all involved in Neighborhood Watch and have a good relationship with our Community Deputy.

Its had to believe this happened in this country. What are we coming to???:uhoh:

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It scares me to think about taking my ill/elderly father to visit my sister's family in Ocean City. I don't know what's worse, worrying about drunk teens and 20+ yearolds or the police whoare supposed " To Serve and Protect".

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Sorry to excavate this thread, but the OPs question was unanswered.

In addition to the machine gun registry, all "regulated" weapons in Maryland have to be approved by the State Police before being transferred. This involves filling out a separate form called an "MSP 77R" (it's basically like doing a 4473 all over again, this time for the state) which is sent off to have an additional background check done by the MSP. The State Police deem you either "disapproved" or "not disapproved". They have 7 days to figure out what NICS already figured out in all of 10 minutes. On day 8 you pick up the weapon. There is typically a $10 fee for processing the 77R.

Weapons that constitute being "regulated" in Maryland include all modern handguns that are not antiques or repilcas thereof (ie: muzzleloaders are not regulated) as well as any of the 45rifles and shotgunslisted onMaryland's "assault weapons" list, or their "copies". FFL holders are exempt I think, because you can have C&R guns that would otherwise be regulated sent right to your house if your are a C&R holder.

The information gleened from the 77R ends up in a database somewhere because the MSP apparently know what you've applied for. This makes Maryland's regulated weapons laws a de facto registry. And we all know where that leads. Dead pets is the least of our worries.

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you know as a use of force instructor this makes me sick! No knock for the reason that the person in question legaly owns firearms? ley me guess this was one of Mc Crone's orders this judge is a blow hard at best. I can only hope that these people have a good lawyer and file in the Fed District court. I train and work with leo and corrections this type of action should be punished. I would really like to know whos orders these were and what Intellled them to think that there was going to be an armed resitance to get a No Knock warrent I would love to see the aplication for the warrent.

I also agree if that was my home they would have had some problem's I love my brothers and sisters in blue but you break my door in at night like that you better ID your self quick because I will view you as threat and take action that I see fit to repel that threat.



Just my .02



Rant over :banghead:

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Chris1760 wrote:

"...you break my door in at night like that you better ID your self quick because I will view you as threat and take action that I see fit to repel that threat. "



Just my .02



Rant over :banghead:

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My thoughts exactly. Unless I missed it it isn't even noted that the police identified themselves. That makes this a straight home invasion.

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Jonesy wrote:

Do you think cops should never go on such raids?  How about when going after gangbangers for murder charges?  I agree that a law abiding gun owner having done nothing wrong should never be subject to such treatment, but there may be alot more to this story.

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Why do you need a no-knock raid on a murder suspect, against whom you presumably have real, actual evidence (unlike in the case of most "crimes" committed today over which a raid is executed)?

I mean, do you think he's going to flush his victim down the toilet?

Or is it just because he's nasty? Is he far enough down the implicit scale of moral outrage that we should raid his house for its punitive nature, i.e. because it makes us feel "good" to be "tough" on criminals and inflict extrajudicial punishment?

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you DO know how easy it would be to install an 'actuated gas relief valve' at the front door, right?

You know, to vent natural gas out of the pipes in an emergency.

What dumbass forgot to turn off the gas, and put a damn igniter on it?!

20$ worth of pipes, and a doorbell ringer are all you need....

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Police then searched his house, looking for items stolen from two marked police cars that were reported broken into on Jan. 14 in the Elkridge community of Mayfield, according to Hasenei, who said he works as a computer analyst at Marriott International.

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A copy of the warrant provided by Hasenei listed items to be seized, including a Sig Sauer Rifle and three ammunition magazines for the rifle, as well as a police gear bag, county police field procedures manual and guide, and more police-related items.

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I may be simple, but it sounds to me like they thought the robbers had taken weapons owned by the police department.

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Anubis wrote:

Because a resident of a targeted house owns a gun, they feel it's safest to kick in the door.

So ludicrous because any targeted location could have armed people, legally or illegally. By their "logic", all search warrants should be no-knock.

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A really good way for cops to get killed coming in the fatal funnel. If I hear my door getting kicked down I am sending rounds down range. Police normally do not vocally make their presence know till after they are in the building. I just love how so little evidence gives the police so much power.