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    http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/4-us-states-mull-openly/story.aspx?guid=%7BC120FF3F-C1B4-4E4D-8E8A-2D8785F58F9F%7D&dist=msr_1
    4 U.S. states mull openly carrying guns




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    AUSTIN, Texas, Feb 12, 2009 (UPI via COMTEX) -- Four Southern U.S. states may join much of the rest of the country in letting people carry handguns openly in a holster, gun-rights proponents say.

    If Texas, South Carolina, Oklahoma and Arkansas pass "open carry" legislation, then only New York and Florida would bar opening carrying handguns openly, proponents say.

    The four states "are extremely gun-friendly," OpenCarry.org co-founder John Pierce tells USA Today.

    "They understand the individual rights aspect," he says. "Yet for whatever reason, the carry laws in these states are restrictive."

    OpenCarry's motto is "a right unexercised is a right lost."
    The Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution bars the infringement of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms."

    Most states ban concealed weapons, USA Today says. Illinois and Wisconsin ban carrying handguns entirely, the National Rifle Association says.

    Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, tells the newspaper his group, which opposes open-carry laws, does not "want more people carrying guns either openly or concealed because the more guns you have in a situation, the more likely you are to get gun violence."

    Texas Open Carry Work Group chairman Ian McCarthy, a student, says a concealed gun is uncomfortable during hot Texas summers, takes longer to draw in self-defense and won't deter a criminal.

    "If a criminal sees you're armed, he's not going to mess with you," McCarthy says.
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    Whoa wait a sec, Most states ban Concealed Carry? Uh, do I live in a Twilight Zone or something?

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    DopaVash wrote:
    Whoa wait a sec, Most states ban Concealed Carry? Uh, do I live in a Twilight Zone or something?
    Well, it's USA Today. What did you expect, fair and accurate reporting?

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    DopaVash wrote:
    Whoa wait a sec, Most states ban Concealed Carry? Uh, do I live in a Twilight Zone or something?
    No, they're just wrong.

    What do expect from the MsM?

    http://www.handgunlaw.us/state-link.htm
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    DopaVash wrote:
    Whoa wait a sec, Most states ban Concealed Carry? Uh, do I live in a Twilight Zone or something?
    Concealing a weapon in most states is either a misdemeanor or a felony. Only two do not have laws that state such.

    Of course, there are also only two, as mentioned in the article, that do not allow for concealed pistol licenses at all, making it a crime to carry a weapon no matter what. Honestly, California should be added to that list.

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    zigziggityzoo wrote:
    DopaVash wrote:
    Whoa wait a sec, Most states ban Concealed Carry? Uh, do I live in a Twilight Zone or something?
    Concealing a weapon in most states is either a misdemeanor or a felony. Only two do not have laws that state such.

    Of course, there are also only two, as mentioned in the article, that do not allow for concealed pistol licenses at all, making it a crime to carry a weapon no matter what. Honestly, California should be added to that list.
    The article, as written, implies that most states do not permit concealed carry. With a permit, most states DO permit concealed carry. Details are important, and the reporter knew what he was doing when he worded it the way he did.

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    russcook wrote:
    The article, as written, implies that most states do not permit concealed carry. With a permit, most states DO permit concealed carry. Details are important, and the reporter knew what he was doing when he worded it the way he did.
    Of course he did, which is why we must continue to educate the common citizen whose only information outlet is likely this type of "manufactured" reporting, specifically designed to be evasive and amorphous.

    We must wield information as a weapon to strike down falsehoods and omissions as traitors to the cause of liberty.
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    russcook wrote:
    zigziggityzoo wrote:
    DopaVash wrote:
    Whoa wait a sec, Most states ban Concealed Carry? Uh, do I live in a Twilight Zone or something?
    Concealing a weapon in most states is either a misdemeanor or a felony. Only two do not have laws that state such.

    Of course, there are also only two, as mentioned in the article, that do not allow for concealed pistol licenses at all, making it a crime to carry a weapon no matter what. Honestly, California should be added to that list.
    The article, as written, implies that most states do not permit concealed carry. With a permit, most states DO permit concealed carry. Details are important, and the reporter knew what he was doing when he worded it the way he did.
    Oops!! It wasn't USA Today who mispoke. They seem to have been misquoted.
    Here is a link to the article ...
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-11-guns_N.htm


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    ...they even twist the words of their own kind to "support" their point of view....what a bunch of pond scum....

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    In most state concealed carry is prohibited by statute. In most of those states if you qualify and pay for the privilege of a license they exempt you from the statute. So as far as a “right” is concerned that statement would be correct.



    As far WI goes they do have open carry. Illinois though does ban both. Technically Illinois has “rural open carry” but if you can’t carry openly on a public sidewalk within your city your rights are denied.



    It is much easier to generalize the 48-2 concealed carry or the 44-6 open carry states than to attempt to explain the differences a few states in each category will present. [/i]

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    "Most states ban concealed weapons, USA Today says. Illinois and Wisconsin ban carrying handguns entirely, the National Rifle Association says."

    "If Texas, South Carolina, Oklahoma and Arkansas pass "open carry" legislation, then only New York and Florida would bar opening carrying handguns openly, proponents say."

    Whoever wrote this is an idiot. I'm not gonna bother lookin'... but MD, NJ and DC immediately come to mind regarding CC and OC. I'm sure there are others.



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    Yes it is illegal to open carry in PRNJ and extremely ( impossible) difficult to get a concealed permit in PRNJ & MD



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    wylde007 wrote:
    DopaVash wrote:
    Whoa wait a sec, Most states ban Concealed Carry? Uh, do I live in a Twilight Zone or something?
    No, they're just wrong.

    What do expect from the MsM?

    http://www.handgunlaw.us/state-link.htm
    Wisconsin does not have any C-C privligaes for civilians,And O-C is legal in Wisconsin, BUT!! many people are being arrested and charged with disorderly conduct for O-C'ing. (see Wisconsin section for details and to help a meemberwith a current court case for carrying openly on his own yard)

    Illinois (AKA Ill-Annoy) has no CC or OC at all, they even require you to get permission from the state to possess a firearm of any type by demanding you get a "Forearm Owners Identification Card (FOID) to be able to purchase or possess any firearm, ammunition or reloading supplies. Many gun shops will even restrict customer access if that customer does not have his FOID card with him.

    To get a FOID card requires several pages of paperwork, a color photo, and a processing feeand I have heard of 6 months time not being our of the norm for getting a letter telling you if you are or are not allowed to own a gun. If you do not get state approval and are found with a single round of any ammunition, it is a felony charge (to the best of my knowledge)

    Here is how I found out about posessing ammuntion:
    I was down in that crappy state archery hunting in a state park near the WI border, I found a rusty old 20Ga shotshell on the ground, I picked it up set it on thedashboard of my truck, upon leaving the park and checking out my deer at the ranger station, a state police officer saw the old shotshell and I had the wrath of hell brought down upon me by him, I was handcuffed, truck searched and treated like a criminal because of it. I was finally released when a superior showed up and listened to me for the first time and believed my story that I found it and picked it up so some youngkid wouldn't get ahold of it and do something possibly stupid like hit the primer with a rock to see what it does.

    I suspect things are treated differently the farther you get from Chicago, or at least I hope so. So what does a guy need to do to hunt with a firearm in that state??

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    PRNJ meaning... 'Peoples Republik of Neu Joisy'?I suspect you're an escapee?

    As another fugitive... I also escaped the 'Demokratik Socialist Peoples Republik of Marialand'. Regardless of what the national gun'map' may indicate... You ain't gettin' a CC permit in MD. You ain't gonna OC anywhere 'cept in the deep woods 'n even there... the squirrels will drop a dime.

    Amazingly... those will vociferously ascribe to 'civil rights' in those states arbitrarily deny citizens RTKBA. Citizens... generations of whom have been denied the Right in these states actually fear it. They dunno what actual 'Rights' are. As a produkt of gummint schools... I too was indoctrinated in the mentality of socialist gummint 'license, registrationand permit'. Regarding the 2A in High School Civics... I was deemed... 'unruly... uncooperative and non-conformist'. 'Potentially DANGEROUS'! 'Most likely to commit an atrocity'. 'Reckon I would bark, rather than bleat in unison.

    This was in the late '50's.



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    Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, tells the newspaper his group, which opposes open-carry laws, does not "want more people carrying guns either openly or concealed because the more guns you have in a situation, the more likely you are to get gun violence."
    Each time I visit our Tucson gun ranges, where everyone is armed to the teeth with handguns, rifles and shotguns, along with thousands of rounds of HV ammo :what: I eagerly wait for the socalled "gun violence" to begin.

    (sarcasm mode off)

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    Helmke would have a coronaryif he ever visited Tombstone on one of the special weekends.

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    I must commend Donna Leinwand, who wrote the USA Today article, for reporting accurately, honestly, and apparently without an "agenda" or personal bias toward carrying handguns. Donna noted "Most states have strict laws governing concealed weapons", which is accurate and non-biased.

    I'm personally NOT a big fan of openly carrying a weapon, unless you're working armed security, are a cop, in the military, competing in a shooting competition or participating in a "Old West Days" celebration where you're dressed in period gear, etc.

    Open carry (for civilians) tends to make the "gun shy" folks a bit nervous, at least in my experience. It also advertises to the bad guys that you have a weapon, which can be good OR bad (depending on the circumstances). It's also been my experience that MOST CCW holders receive no training nor actively seek out training for gun retention techniques. That's bad, and potentially lethal.

    That does NOT mean I'm against open carry, by any means. Obviously there's times when it's a benefit, like the above mentioned circumstances with guys wearing cowboy outfits, etc., security guards (I basically do NOT believe in unarmed, untrained security for ANY reason at ANY location ANYWHERE, period).

    And there's times when it's more comfortable NOT to have to hide your weapon, like when it's very hot (not a real issue to my thinking, however. I've CC'd when it's been over 100 degrees with no adverse affects. Think smarter.), and in a restaurant where you might want to take your coat off, but have to worry about exposing your weapon. THAT circumstance (coat off in restaurant) is basically why the OC stipulation is part of Indiana CCW law. Ya don't want a CCW holder all of a sudden in violation of the law because they took off a coat / sweater to sit down and dine comfortably, doesn't make much sense. But it IS called a concealed carry weapons permit for a reason.

    But HEY! It's finally nice to see someone like Donna at least provide some FAIR reporting of the issue! Is she married? Is she cute? Does she like bald guys?

    Oh yeah... and a POX on marketwatch.com AND UPI.com for misquoting Ms. Leinwand!! :P


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    Hey we're at 55713-what a deal!!!! Thanks USA TODAY!

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    Cowboy_Rick wrote:
    Hey we're at 55713-what a deal!!!! Thanks USA TODAY!
    try to get the petition link posted in blogs, news item comment section etc. Every signature counts as Ian then adds them to the OpenCarry Work Group email alert list.

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    I went back to USA TODAY and the story is already gone! wonder what happened? There were lots of hits and most were favorable! I don't usually blog so I'm not all that computer literate-sorry!

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    Cowboy_Rick wrote:
    I went back to USA TODAY and the story is already gone!
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-11-guns_N.htm- works for me

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    Thanks Mike, they moved it. Supposedly Blair Holt has introduced HR 45 a bill that will have devistating affect to firearms owners-I wonder if we can find out about it. The bloggers were talking about HR 45 and how it would be the beginning of the end for Gun Ownership.LICENSING AND REGISTERING ACT OF 2009 (I think).

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    In another forum I have just read that 21 states have declared sovereignty against the federal government, I can't cite the source, but you if hear of any info, it might do us all well to hear about it. It would basically mean that the obamaniacs would be powerless as a federal force against the states. This could stop the north American union, federal gun control laws, or just about any of The Great Usurpers plans.

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