sv_libertarian
State Researcher
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Just freaking incredible. I've got emails from the director, and person in charge of training which both confirm they understand the ways guns may be lawfully carried on the bus, including OC. So in their most recent schedule change, the published rules include that firearms may not be carried on the bus in a "manner that warrants alarm."
I don't know if I should laugh or cry, or simply bang my head against a wall in frustration at this.
I'm going to request a meeting with their director and try to get this through one more freaking time. Then I'm going to consult with an attorney and see about getting a rather nasty warning letter sent to them.
As a quick FYI, "warrants alarm" in and of itself is a meaningless phrase. A person's level of "alarm" varies based on what they find uncomfortable. The phrase "warrants alarm" comes from RCW 9.41.270 which states that a person cannot carry a weapon in a manner, time, or place under circumstances that warrant alarm for the safety of another person.
IT by stripping away the defining and clarifying language leaves themselves wide open for any person who is bothered by the mere presence or existence of firearms to feel "alarmed". RCW 9,91.025 "Unlawful Bus Conduct" clearly allows for the carry of firearms or ammunition in a lawful manner, and is the only law which IT may use for firearms carry.
As a municipal entity, IT is bound by state firearms preemption as well.
I have documents from IT staff which acknowledge the legality of carry on the bus, including cased unloaded longarms, CC and OC. However all of this is ignored in favor of writing a vague rule which will effectively confuse both passengers and staff.
Just freaking incredible. I've got emails from the director, and person in charge of training which both confirm they understand the ways guns may be lawfully carried on the bus, including OC. So in their most recent schedule change, the published rules include that firearms may not be carried on the bus in a "manner that warrants alarm."
I don't know if I should laugh or cry, or simply bang my head against a wall in frustration at this.
I'm going to request a meeting with their director and try to get this through one more freaking time. Then I'm going to consult with an attorney and see about getting a rather nasty warning letter sent to them.
As a quick FYI, "warrants alarm" in and of itself is a meaningless phrase. A person's level of "alarm" varies based on what they find uncomfortable. The phrase "warrants alarm" comes from RCW 9.41.270 which states that a person cannot carry a weapon in a manner, time, or place under circumstances that warrant alarm for the safety of another person.
IT by stripping away the defining and clarifying language leaves themselves wide open for any person who is bothered by the mere presence or existence of firearms to feel "alarmed". RCW 9,91.025 "Unlawful Bus Conduct" clearly allows for the carry of firearms or ammunition in a lawful manner, and is the only law which IT may use for firearms carry.
As a municipal entity, IT is bound by state firearms preemption as well.
I have documents from IT staff which acknowledge the legality of carry on the bus, including cased unloaded longarms, CC and OC. However all of this is ignored in favor of writing a vague rule which will effectively confuse both passengers and staff.