what difference would it matter if you were CC'ing or OC'ing while in a vehicle?
concealed or open carry
i just wonder if anyone has had any trouble getting pulled over for speeding while open carrying a weapon. of course you tell the officer right away that you have a weapon and give him your permit and drivers license
what difference would it matter if you were CC'ing or OC'ing while in a vehicle?
no not what i meant. I'm asking how the officer was when he was told that you had a weapon in the car.
I know of someone who keeps a gun in his glovebox, and he was pulled over once and told me this story. When he was asked for his papers, he told the officer not to get excited, because there is a gun in the glove box with the papers, and the officer asked to see his LTCF, which he showed, and all was fine. I don't remember what he said the charge was . . . speeding maybe or something else.
spencer280 wrote:Of course, NOT.of course you tell the officer right away that you have a weapon and give him your permit and drivers license
There is no duty to inform an officer that there is a firearm present in the car, and I take measures to insure that my firearm and LTCF are in places where they will not be seen as I retrieve any paperwork necessary during a traffic stop.
see theirs where i have to differ . no affiance but don't the law state that if you get pulled over you tell the office right away. see i have a family member that is an officer and what happens is then you get pulled over they already know you may have a weapon. when you get your L.T.C.F permit a record goes to the state police and gets put on your info so when the police pull you over and run your plates if comes up. the cop told me to alway let the officer know you have it on you and where it is on your person. more to protect your self.
spencer280 wrote:No. I challenge you to cite the law that requires officer notification.see theirs where i have to differ . no affiance but don't the law state that if you get pulled over you tell the office right away.
Wrong.see i have a family member that is an officer and what happens is then you get pulled over they already know you may have a weapon. when you get your L.T.C.F permit a record goes to the state police and gets put on your info so when the police pull you over and run your plates if comes up.
That's his opinion, not the law.the cop told me to alway let the officer know you have it on you and where it is on your person. more to protect your self.
i see what you mean but i still think its a smart move to tell the officer about the weapon. just for common scene. if you where the office going up to a car wouldn't you want to know. I'm cool i just think it's the best way to handle the situation.
Having your own opinion, and acting accordingly is one thing.
Stating as fact things that are clearly incorrect is something else....even if the source is "a family member that is an officer." As a matter of fact, one of the rules of this forum is that you back up any such claims with a citation of law.
From the rules thread (you may want to check that out):
7) If you state a rule of law, it is incumbant upon you to try to cite, as best you can, to authority. Citing to authority, using links when avaiable, is what makes OCDO so successful. An authority is a published source of law that can back your claim up - statute, ordinance, court case, newspaper article covering a legal issue, etc.
Last time I got pulled over for speeding I was on my motorcycle OCing, cop didn't notice, I didn't bring it up.
im not stating it as the law im not sure its just what i would do. even if the law state that i do not have to tell the officer i'm going to just because if it was turned around and i was the cop i would want to know. and i did i just talked to the sheriff of Armstrong county MR CRAWFORD and he said yes you are to tell the officer you have a weapon. he noted that if you do not tell him and he finds it, he will think you where hideing something. but that is what he said. it makes sence to me but this my not be the law and no one quote me.
It's not the law. As you keep getting told.
Argh. You're 'that guy' Stop it.
what i have read so far you are right it doesn't state in the law that you have to tell the officer you have a weapon .
So cease making it an issue. *******.
ok im not making it an issue and that word offends me.
You are, though.
And I used multiple words there.
A. There is no statute in the Crimes Code that requires a motor vehicle operator to inform a police officer conducting a traffic stop that a firearm is present (be it carried, openly or concealed, or stuffed somewhere else in the vehicle).
B. There is no statute in the Crimes Code that requires a motor vehicle operator to present his/her LTCF to the police officer conducting a traffic stop.
C. If a person wants to do such, they may, but if a firearm has nothing to do with the traffic stop, then all that person is doing is complicating the issue.
D. LTCFs are not linked to driver's licenses or vehicle registrations. A police officer conducting a traffic stop has no way of knowing beforehand whether the driver has or has not an LTCF.
E. If mere words offend you, get a thicker skin. If you're comfortable with who and what you are, then it doesn't matter what others say. Not everyone shares your beliefs.
ok the law allows you not to tell the officer anything about your weapon when being pulled over. i was just taking the word of a sherrif and state trooper. i guess in the long run its up to you tell or don't tell. but thanks for all the input. and the commit of Mr. Aron didn't get to me i just thought it was a little inappropriate word for this sight. and i think he's coming to that oc dinner not sure throw. hey in the long run we are all here for one reason supporting the 2nd amendment. you all have a good night
If he is, you'd better wear your thickest skin.
oh i have thick skin im a former corrections officer for Armstrong now going for butler county jail
spencer280 wrote:BAD idea. If you're going to do this, ask THEM to show you the law that backs up their statement.i was just taking the word of a sherrif and state trooper.
i see what you mean. i thought they where right then they told me. but now i know thanks to this sight . thank yo guy's
I think I've said this in a different thread already. But I've been pulled over six times while carrying. I DID tell the officers. With one exception it went:
O: lisence and registration
Me: sir I am a concealed weapons carrier and I have the weapon on my person at this time. (hand him my lisence and reg)
O: ok thank you
He goes back to his vehicle and runs me. Comes back gives me my papers gives me the run down on why I was pulled over. THEN
O: BTW can I see your carry permit? Ok thank you, have a good day.
And I get off with a warning. The other time a female officer only said "you carry around these kids?" Not at home ma'am." Ok".
YllwFvr wrote:"And I get off with a warning. The other time a female officer only said "you carry around these kids?
Only because of stupid laws that don't allow them to protect themselves."
There are a couple of dumb places that require notifying, but as long as i'm
on the hiway, I go by my states laws, and exercise my 5th amendment rights.
If you are in a real good mood one night, when asked if you have any weapons,
just tell them you rufuse to answer under the grounds it might incriminate you.
But follow up with the "Am I being detained"
I find that telling a trooper the truth makes them go ballistic most of the time.
They can't handle such a strange attitude I guess.
Last week I got a ticket on Rt 322 in Juniata county about 16 miles south of State College. I was OC'ing a 1911 & 2 spare mags. I had to unbuckle the seat belt and reach past the 2 mags to get to my wallet. I kept my hands in sight and told the Corporal what I was doing before I did it.
After he came back and gave me the ticket he asked what I was carrying - I told him 1911 and asked if he needed to see my LTCF - he said no.