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    HOUSE BILL No. 4348


    February 19, 2009, Introduced by Reps. LeBlanc, Sheltrown, Amash, Genetski, Polidori and Agema and referred to the Committee on Judiciary.

    A bill to amend 1927 PA 372


    by amending section 5c (MCL 28.425c), as amended by 2002 PA 719;

    and to repeal acts and parts of acts.

    THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN ENACT:


    Sec. 5c. (1) A license to carry a concealed pistol shall be ina form, with the same dimensions as a Michigan operator license,prescribed by the department of state police. The license shallcontain all of the following:

    (a) The licensee's full name and date of birth.

    (b) A photograph and a physical description of the licensee.

    (c) A statement of the effective dates of the license.

    (d) An indication of exceptions authorized by this actapplicable to the licensee.

    (e) An indication whether the license is a duplicate.

    (2) Subject to section 5o and except Except as otherwise

    provided by law, a license to carry a concealed pistol issued bythe county concealed weapon licensing board authorizes the licenseeto do all of the following:

    (a) Carry a pistol concealed on or about his or her personanywhere in this state.

    (b) Carry a pistol in a vehicle, whether concealed or notconcealed, anywhere in this state.

    Enacting section 1. Section 5o of 1927 PA 372, MCL 28.425o, is repealed.


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    [ETA:]The bill is here:

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(gdq...e=2009-HB-4348


    [ETA:]And this will help find your rep in the House, if you need it:

    http://house.michigan.gov/find_a_rep.asp
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    With that wording, it looks like it could possibly prohibit open carry in the standard off-limits places, or no? I guess it depends on "how" a CPL holder is exempted from those places...

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    SQLtables wrote:
    With that wording, it looks like it could possibly prohibit open carry in the standard off-limits places, or no?* I guess it depends on "how" a CPL holder is exempted from those places...
    I don't believe so. The standard places that are prohibited to carry still exempt CPL holders. This means anyone with a CPL can carry anywhere, openly or otherwise.

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    I have to agree with zig. No wording seems to be changing except that the pistol free zone piece is being removed.

    I had to read through it about 4 times to understand it....

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    E-mailed my Rep, and passed the message on to other gun owners I know.
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    Dear Representative DeShazor,

    I am a CPL holder and find the current labyrinth of laws concerning the concealed carry of a firearm in "Pistol Free Zones" unorganized legislatively and difficult to understand logically; I recently sent you an email regarding the issue of "Gun Free School Zones" to include school buses in transit, to which you responded swiftly and succinctly. I thank you again for that.

    HB 4348 removes much of the ambiguity surrounding concealed carry in Michigan's "Pistol Free Zones" and by doing so, increases compliance by CPL designees and clarifies regulations for Peace Officers.

    Please sponsor and/or vote for HB 4348.

    Sincerely,





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    Brian,hope you didnt mind, but Iposted your message over at the 2A March forum under State Legislation and News.
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    Sent e-mail to rep.springerdave.

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    spoke to at least 15-20 members of house and senate at the republican convention last weekend. have to pull together information on
    1) SCCC
    2) OCDO
    3) what WE believeto be necessary changes to MI laws (be reasonable here, vermont carry will take years to achieve)

    pm me, these guys/gals are waiting (although I'm sure NOT on the edge of their seats) to hear from me.

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    what is SCCC?

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    viperar15 wrote:
    what is SCCC?
    Students for Concealed Carry on Campus.

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    I send a letter to my State Rep and passed this along to 10 other persons.
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    It's interesting that an amended version of 28.425o is to go into effect this April. The only difference is an added line allowing judges immunity from the pistol free zones. I suppose striking the section altogether would get them what they want anyway, huh?
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    SCCC UM-A2 will be mobilized for this one. It seems to be exactly what we need to get carry on campus, as long as we can get preemption and this law to apply to the Regents.

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    I Emailed my Rep, as well.

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    I can't say I really care for this bill. Any law that gives rights to those who have extra money or initiative to kiss the governments ass seems to me to be flawed. So in other words, I am entirely against the CPL system Michigan has, but will probably get one anyway so I can OC legally in other places. It bothers me, but I'll probably do it because of convenience, and the ability to further our cause without fear of wrongful prosecution.

    You can't get a pistol without passing a background check, that's covered. And therefor you can't legally carry one either if you're a convicted felon. But anyone can carry within the law, and will face penalties if the law is broken. It's simple, and needs no licenses to work properly, even with far fewer restrictions that Michigan law has.

    Requiring licenses to engage in constitutionally guaranteed freedoms is utterly unacceptable to me, and for that reason, I'm not going to bother throwing any support into this. I would be a hell of a lot more enthusiastic if it got rid of gun free zones for everyone legally eligible to carry, whether or not they can carry concealed. Failing that, I don't care. :?
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    Michigander wrote:
    I can't say I really care for this bill. Any law that gives rights to those who have extra money or initiative to kiss the governments ass seems to me to be flawed. So in other words, I am entirely against the CPL system Michigan has, but will probably get one anyway so I can OC legally in other places. It bothers me, but I'll probably do it because of convenience, and the ability to further our cause without fear of wrongful prosecution.

    You can't get a pistol without passing a background check, that's covered. And therefor you can't legally carry one either if you're a convicted felon. But anyone can carry within the law, and will face penalties if the law is broken. It's simple, and needs no licenses to work properly, even with far fewer restrictions that Michigan law has.

    Requiring licenses to engage in constitutionally guaranteed freedoms is utterly unacceptable to me, and for that reason, I'm not going to bother throwing any support into this. I would be a hell of a lot more enthusiastic if it got rid of gun free zones for everyone legally eligible to carry, whether or not they can carry concealed. Failing that, I don't care. :?
    it's a step in the right direction. while I wish to see vermont style gun laws, with OPTIONAL CPL check type thingy to get around the fed 1000 foot school law. we've got to take it a step at a time. and for the record, as far as college campuses are concerned, under the law an 18 yr old OC'er has more rights to OC than a CPL holder has to conceal. I think carry is carry, and will continue to do what little I can to affect changes to bring that about, please help us do the same. while it may not directly affect you, it brings us one more step closer to the restoration of our right to keep and bear.

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    Michigander wrote:
    I can't say I really care for this bill.
    I don't get it. You're not in favor of a bill that eliminates the pistol free zones?
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    While I agree with Michigander that this bill would only eliminate gun free zones for those of us with CPL's, I too think it is a stepin the right direction and will support it.

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    The gun free zones for those without a CPL (i.e. for OCing) existed before the switch to shall issue. This simply fixes what should have never happened in the first place.

    Something that we allowed to happen, based on the advice of a former speaker of the Michigan legislature.
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    Big Gay Al wrote:
    Michigander wrote:
    I can't say I really care for this bill.
    I don't get it. You're not in favor of a bill that eliminates the pistol free zones?
    He's not in favor of having to get a CPL period. Either we are equal or we are not. We either have our firearm rights infringed or we do not.
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    I am not in favor of having to get a cpl either. This could be put this way, Joe Public is not in favor of having to get a hunting license, either we're hungry or we're not. But we don't just go grab a back strap any time we feel like it.springerdave.

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    springerdave wrote:
    I am not in favor of having to get a cpl either. This could be put this way, Joe Public is not in favor of having to get a hunting license, either we're hungry or we're not. But we don't just go grab a back strap any time we feel like it.springerdave.
    Wow! you can't compare the two. Hunting is not a right it's a privilege, like driving. Carrying a firearm is a right. But having to get a CPL is asking for permission to do something that ideally youshouldn't have to ask permission to do. With all the restriction on how and where you can OC without a CPL the state is greatly infringing our rights guaranteed by ourstate and federal constitutions.

    There are states that have much less restrictions in regards to carrying handguns. Let's move in that direction.
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