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    After that last thread about the incident of the police shooting the bad guy 17 times with a .40 s&w, I gotta wonder if this is it for this round. I guess being nappy headed ain't so bad after all. :P



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    So what are you going to carry instead? A .45? A .45 travels slower and has less energy by the time it hits its target, so it probably would have stopped as well. I don't know about a 9mm round. Its higher velocity may have helped, but the lighter mass wouldn't have. It's very likely that the round either ricocheted, or passed through the window glass before finding her head, as well.

    Also consider that the back of the skull is relatively thick compared to the front "target area" around the eyes and sinus cavities. The combination of her hair, her skull, her head moving forward, and a possible ricochet could easily absorb the bullet's energy.

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    I believe his post was tongue in cheek, Dre.

    And if I remember correctlythe official name is the "40 Short & Weak"....

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    smash29 wrote:
    I believe his post was tongue in cheek, Dre.

    And if I remember correctlyofficial name is the "40 Short & Weak"....

    :P
    Oh. lol Ok. You know I've ran into a few people that liked to refer to my ammo with that nick name. Oddly enough, every single one of them stopped when I asked if they wanted to participate in the proving or disproving of their theory .

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    when are you guys gonna learn all pistol calibers suck? :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Open Carry.org Member View Post
    I really disgree with this one! That means that we can have any yahoo running around with a gun with out the proper training. This really scares the hell out of me. Just my two-cents!
    Quote Originally Posted by KansasMustang View Post
    Joe Schmedlap out there with a loaded weapon thinking he's going to deter crime and he's not even trained to fire his weapon safely just kinda makes my hair on the back of my neck stand up.

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    catass wrote:
    when are you guys gonna learn all pistol calibers suck? :P
    That's honestly not that far from the truth. Any caliber that can be comfortably fired in a single hand is not going to beas effective at stopping a 200 lb animal, human or otherwise, as a full-sized rifle caliber. There's just not a whole lot of energy there.

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    catass wrote:
    when are you guys gonna learn all pistol calibers suck? :P
    An AR pistol is just a scosh better. Anyone make a .308 pistol? :?

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    eyesopened wrote:
    catass wrote:
    when are you guys gonna learn all pistol calibers suck? :P
    An AR pistol is just a scosh better. Anyone make a .308 pistol? :?
    I'd hate to shoot a .308 without a shoulder support.

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    DreQo wrote:
    eyesopened wrote:
    catass wrote:
    when are you guys gonna learn all pistol calibers suck? :P
    An AR pistol is just a scosh better. Anyone make a .308 pistol? :?
    I'd hate to shoot a .308 without a shoulder support.
    My dad had a TC Encore with a 16" .308 pistol barrel. It had a built in muzzle brake so it really wasn't to bad to shoot. I've taken a few deer with my 14" 7-30 Waters (ramped up .30-30) on a Contender frame.

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    eyesopened wrote:
    catass wrote:
    when are you guys gonna learn all pistol calibers suck? :P
    An AR pistol is just a scosh better.* Anyone make a .308 pistol? :?
    .308 no but you can find 7.62x39mm pistols..awesome

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    I have been shooting my 708 Remington handgun since 1981 one handed. 139 grain bullet at 2600 FPS and it has less recoil than my super blackhawk.
    Perhaps if you would use a real computer you wouldn't have to apologize for not being able to do so many things on the internet!

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    i like my glock 31 in 357 sig. i carry the 100 grain powerballs .. 1600 fps at 585 ft lbs



    i agree with clint smith.. a pistol should be a tool u use toget you to your rifle..

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    The weave didn't stop the .40, the back glass of the car did.

    Not to get into the caliber debate, but, I'll keep my .45.

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    Oh no, here we go. I can assure everyone of you that even the less exotic ball ammo causes devastation to the human body.


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    I would still have no worries carrying .38 and up caliber weapons. I carry a .45, but would not hesitate to use a .38spl to defend my life. We're talking typical, close range self defense encounters here. Obviously at 50 yards I'm pretty SOL.

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    At 50 yards, any pistol has only minor distraction/annoyance value--nothing more. If youever hit your target at that range, buy a lottery ticket ASAP.

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    Spectre wrote:
    eyesopened wrote:
    catass wrote:
    when are you guys gonna learn all pistol calibers suck? :P
    An AR pistol is just a scosh better. Anyone make a .308 pistol? :?
    .308 no but you can find 7.62x39mm pistols..awesome
    "During the Russian Revolutions and Civil War partisans cut down the barrels and stocks of Mosin Nagants to create a 7.62x54r "pistol" known as an "Obrez"."


    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    AbNo wrote:
    Spectre wrote:
    eyesopened wrote:
    catass wrote:
    when are you guys gonna learn all pistol calibers suck? :P
    An AR pistol is just a scosh better.* Anyone make a .308 pistol? :?
    .308 no but you can find 7.62x39mm pistols..awesome
    "During the Russian Revolutions and Civil War partisans cut down the barrels and stocks of Mosin Nagants to create a 7.62x54r "pistol" known as an "Obrez"."

    I stand corrected ...after shooting lots of 7.62x54r all I can say after thinking of a pistol firing that round is a profound "Ouch!" My wrist hurts just thinking of it.

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    Flyer22 wrote:
    At 50 yards, any pistol has only minor distraction/annoyance value--nothing more. If youever hit your target at that range, buy a lottery ticket ASAP.
    With just a little practice you can hit a man sized target at 50 yards. It will be more than just a "minor distraction/annoyance". If not, you need to get a better gun.

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    AbNo wrote:
    "During the Russian Revolutions and Civil War partisans cut down the barrels and stocks of Mosin Nagants to create a 7.62x54r "pistol" known as an "Obrez"."

    Obrez of course being a Russian word meaning dislocated wrist.
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    Bolt-action pistol, no less!
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    At 50 yards, any pistol has only minor distraction/annoyance value--nothing more. If you ever hit your target at that range, buy a lottery ticket ASAP.
    Bullseye pistol competition is done at 50 yards for slow fire. That's with a .45 and one handed. Obviously they use competition pistols and the target is stationary. Still, the 10 ring is only 3 inches in diameter, a much smaller target than your average primate and good shooters put all 10 shots in the ring. I think getting hit by even a .22 at 50 yards would be a bit more than a distraction.

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    catass wrote:
    when are you guys gonna learn all pistol calibers suck? :P
    True, but some suck less than others. Like .357 Magnum or .45 Colt.
    "You can teach 'em, but you cant learn 'em."

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    Flyer22 wrote:
    At 50 yards, any pistol has only minor distraction/annoyance value--nothing more. If youever hit your target at that range, buy a lottery ticket ASAP.
    You need more practice.

    I tell you what. You go down range say 100 meters with a catchers mit, and I will send you a few slow fat bullets. When they hit your glove you rate each one as to the annoyance value.

    Around here we practice by busting clay targets onfence at 100 meters and I can consistently hit a 6 inch steel plate at 250 meters with my super redhawk. Even at 250 meters a .44 mag will be a lot more than a "minor distraction" to the recipient.
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    I dropped a fox in its tracks with a gold dot .40 to the neck, big entry hole too. Was not spine hit. Must have been some shockwave force going on there. Probably a fluke, but hey I was impressed.

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