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Arkansas Times publishes names and Address of CHCL holders!

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If you want to be armed, than do so; without discreet, on the full face value of allowing your firearm to be the visual deterrent to criminals. In which case has been shown to be true statistically, nationwide.

But If you want to hide the fact that you are armed, well, then you’ll have to pay the price.

Eitherway, I wish there were NO RESTRICTIONS onany type of carry.
 

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Rights and carry preferences aside, are you willing to post a sign in your front yard which reads:

"There are guns inside my house, feel free to watch me leave, then break in and steal them."

If you are unwilling to post such a sign in your front yard, then please refrain from criticizing people who are trying to keep concealed permit holder information private.

This is the equivalent result of allowing any citizen to know or obtain the personal, private information of concealed permit holders.

Last year the VCDL Alert carried a report of criminals who broke into a members house, and unable to open the gun safe, jumped him when he returned home, beat him severely, forced him to open the safe, and made off with several firearms. Why would anyone not want to keep such strategic information away from criminals?

Respectfully,

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Let's keep something in perspective people. AR is a non-OC state. It is all fine and dandy to say, "Well just OC it and don't give the info to the state" if you live in a permissive OC state. In AR if you want to carry you have to have a CCL and carry concealed.

The other side of the problem with publishing the list is not knowing who IS carrying, but in a non-OC state it also tells who is NOT carrying. In essence, they have put criminals on notice as to who is NOT armed in public. This utterly eliminates the "surprise" factor so much touted by certain CCers and puts people NOT on the list at increased risk as safe targets for bad guys.

While this liberal rag thinks it is somehow embarassing or "outing" CCers, it is doing far more than that and the publication is dangerous for everyone who doesn't have armed body guards.
 

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mark edward marchiafava wrote:
What site are we on? Concealedcarry.org? No?
Aside from that, I just cannot comprehend how someone feels justified in whining about information they VOLUNTARILY provided, as part of a permit process, being available to the public.
If it's that big of a deal, don't apply for the permit !!! End of problem.
Besides, you should be OC'ing instead.

Yes and my mode of carry is none of your concern or anyone else's. It should not bother you if I choose to CC today or tomorrow.

As I recall, the entire right is 'The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed'. No where does it state I have to OC. So if I want to CC, that should be good as well.

It's definitely better than NC (no carry).

But any sort of PERSONAL licensing, certification, degree, or permit should not automatically be made public information unless done so by theHOLDER of such.
 

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mark edward marchiafavaappearantly believes that the right to choose how you carryis not important. Only his way is good enough to be protected. For those of you who live in states where OC is not legal,too bad, so sad.

Not long ago your social security numberwas required on your drivers licence in many states, would you want that to be public information? If you don't want people to know your information, just don't get a drivers licence.
 

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Remember, this is a national forum. There are many states where your basic right to carry is tied (to varying degrees) to that permit.

And don't forget Federal laws concerning school Gun Free Zones. As I understand it, you cannot even drive within 1000 feet (that's almost 2/10 of a mile) of the edge of any school property unless you have a local state license of whatever flavor they issue. This makes nearly everyone who carries without that local license a federal criminal at some point during the day.

Like it or not, this "right" is highly regulated, it is clearly not as simple as "just don't get one".

TFred
 

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I fail to see how publishing this information serves anyone's interests. There is a press exception to the privacy of carry permit records in Ohio, but what is the press supposed to do with the information? Are we supposed to be ashamed to have permits or something? I refuse to get ham radio specialty license plates because that information is public record and somebody could get my name and address readily from my call sign. Also, license tags in Ohio expire on your birthday, which is now printed on the tag itself if you look closely. Not conducive to protecting one's privacy. At least they finally stopped putting your SS# on your operator's license here...

-ljp
 

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Alaska being one of the states which make available records of licensees which have CCWs.

I don't mind what licenses I get are available. The same information is posted public if you have a business license.

I believe the people who are really upset are the people who want to conceal without others knowing they're in possession of a firearm, i.e. the people who don't open carry.
 

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I thinks it's dumb that they did this, but with the internet now days, I can get a picture of your house with as little as just your phone #. Or name, or address. Or even your IP address.

Ever heard of Google Street View ? Scary
 

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good luck finding homes in Alaska via your method. Many people build a house or road, and just make up a name for the road, they don't bother to report the address to the city or borough. How do they get mail, they put a box up and inform the post office there is a new road they just made up out of the blue. :/
 

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insane.kangaroo wrote:
good luck finding homes in Alaska via your method. Many people build a house or road, and just make up a name for the road, they don't bother to report the address to the city or borough. How do they get mail, they put a box up and inform the post office there is a new road they just made up out of the blue. :/
It's much the same out here in rual AZ. It's really great when they don't even post an address at their driveway, or just make up an address.
 

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Me: "So, directions would be nice"

Customer: "Sure, go past the buoy on XXXXXXX rd., turn on the next road to the left, you'll see a red truck, drive past that, and my house is at the end of the next road to the right."

Love directions like above...
 

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Have you ever used Google Street View. You'd be suprised.



You can also look at almost every city block of Anchorage. Not the Birds eye view either. I'm talking standing on the street view.
 

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Legba wrote:
I fail to see how publishing this information serves anyone's interests. There is a press exception to the privacy of carry permit records in Ohio, but what is the press supposed to do with the information? Are we supposed to be ashamed to have permits or something? I refuse to get ham radio specialty license plates because that information is public record and somebody could get my name and address readily from my call sign. Also, license tags in Ohio expire on your birthday, which is now printed on the tag itself if you look closely. Not conducive to protecting one's privacy. At least they finally stopped putting your SS# on your operator's license here...

-ljp

It has one purpose and one purpose only, namely intimidation. If women who are hiding out from abusive partners have reason to fear that their identities and locations will be disclosed, they can be intimidated from obtaining CHLs.

Toby Hoover and her allies in the media would rather see a woman ambushed and murdered by a stalker than to have the means to defend herself.
 

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mark edward marchiafava wrote:
LOL, geez Louise. AGAIN, one more (last)time.
If that information is that damned important and you don't want anyone to know it, then DON'T GIVE IT TO THE STATE.
End of problem and discussion.
I suspect that you haven't truly thought your position through, especially in the case of women trying to avoid stalkers and abusive partners. Especially in states which don't permit open carry, you're telling these women either to tell their wouldbe assailants where they are or to go defenseless. I suspect that's not really what you want.
 
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Mr. Brantley knew that he was divulging information that was not intended to be made public. Clearly, he had malicious intent.
The point of concealed carry is to keep handgun carrying very low key. It was intended to be a secret as to who carries a handgun. Otherwise, Arkansas would have open carry.
The Fourth Amendment in the US Bill of Rights is supposed to protect our right to be secure in our persons, houses, papers, and effects. Publishing a list of personal information about CHL holders violates the personal security of those holders.
Here is the Arkansas Code on the data. Is Mr. Brantley a “law enforcement agency?”
§5-73-307. List of license holders. (a) The Department of Arkansas State Police shall maintain an automated listing of license holders and this information shall be available on-line, upon request, at any time, to any law enforcement agency through the Arkansas Crime Information Center.
 

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Here is the law that allowed the information published. On a side note. We had legislation filed today that will protect this information. Please visit www.arkansascarry.com to learn more.

25-19-105.Examination and copying of public records.

(a)(1)(A)Except as otherwise specifically provided by this section or by laws specifically enacted to provide otherwise, all public records shall be open to inspection and copying by any citizen of the State of Arkansas during the regular business hours of the custodian of the records.

(B)(i)However, access to inspect and copy public records of the Department of Correction and the Department of Community Correction shall be denied to:

(a)A person who at the time of the request has pleaded guilty to or been found guilty of a felony and is incarcerated in a correctional facility; and

(b)The representative of a person under subdivision (a)(1)(B)(i)(





(ii)Access to inspect and copy public records of the Department of Correction and the Department of Community Correction shall be denied to a person under subdivision (a)(1)(B)(i)(



(2)(A)A citizen may make a request to the custodian to inspect, copy, or receive copies of public records.

(B)The request may be made in person, by telephone, by mail, by facsimile transmission, by electronic mail, or by other electronic means provided by the custodian.

(C)The request shall be sufficiently specific to enable the custodian to locate the records with reasonable effort.



(3)If the person to whom the request is directed is not the custodian of the records, the person shall so notify the requester and identify the custodian, if known to or readily ascertainable by the person.

(b)It is the specific intent of this section that the following shall not be deemed to be made open to the public under the provisions of this chapter:

(1)State income tax records;

(2)Medical records, adoption records, and education records as defined in the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974, 20 U.S.C. § 1232g, unless their disclosure is consistent with the provisions of that act;

(3)The site files and records maintained by the Arkansas Historic Preservation Program of the Department of Arkansas Heritage and the Arkansas Archeological Survey;

(4)Grand jury minutes;

(5)Unpublished drafts of judicial or quasi-judicial opinions and decisions;

(6)Undisclosed investigations by law enforcement agencies of suspected criminal activity;

(7)Unpublished memoranda, working papers, and correspondence of the Governor, members of the General Assembly, Supreme Court Justices, Court of Appeals Judges, and the Attorney General;

(8)Documents that are protected from disclosure by order or rule of court;

(9)(A)Files that if disclosed would give advantage to competitors or bidders and records maintained by the Arkansas Economic Development Commission related to any business entity's planning, site location, expansion, operations, or product development and marketing, unless approval for release of those records is granted by the business entity.

(B)However, this exemption shall not be applicable to any records of expenditures or grants made or administered by the commission and otherwise disclosable under the provisions of this chapter;



(10)(A)The identities of law enforcement officers currently working undercover with their agencies and identified in the Arkansas Minimum Standards Office as undercover officers.

(B)Records of the number of undercover officers and agency lists are not exempt from this chapter;



(11)Records containing measures, procedures, instructions, or related data used to cause a computer or a computer system or network, including telecommunication networks or applications thereon, to perform security functions, including, but not limited to, passwords, personal identification numbers, transaction authorization mechanisms, and other means of preventing access to computers, computer systems or networks, or any data residing therein;

(12)Personnel records to the extent that disclosure would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;

(13)Home addresses of nonelected state employees, nonelected municipal employees, and nonelected county employees contained in employer records, except that the custodian of the records shall verify an employee's city or county of residence or address on record upon request;

(14)Materials, information, examinations, and answers to examinations utilized by boards and commissions for purposes of testing applicants for licensure by state boards or commissions;

(15)Military service discharge records or DD Form 214, the Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty of the United States Department of Defense, filed with the county recorder as provided under § 14-2-102, for veterans discharged from service less than seventy (70) years from the current date;

(16)Vulnerability assessments submitted by a public water system on or before June 30, 2004, to the Administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency for a period of ten (10) years from the date of submission;

(17)(A)Records, including analyses, investigations, studies, reports, or recommendations, containing information relating to any Department of Human Services risk or security assessment, known or suspected security vulnerability, or safeguard related to compliance with the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 or protection of other confidential department information.

(B)The records shall include:

(i)Risk and security assessments;

(ii)Plans and proposals for preventing and mitigating privacy and security risks;

(iii)Emergency response and recovery records;

(iv)Privacy and security plans and procedures; and

(v)Any other records containing information that if disclosed might jeopardize or compromise efforts to secure and protect personal health information or other protected department information.



(C)This subdivision (b)(17) expires on July 1, 2009; and

(1
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(A)Records, including analyses, investigations, studies, reports, recommendations, requests for proposals, drawings, diagrams, blueprints, and plans, containing information relating to security for any public water system.

(B) The records shall include:

(i) Risk and vulnerability assessments;

(ii) Plans and proposals for preventing and mitigating security risks;

(iii) Emergency response and recovery records;

(iv) Security plans and procedures; and

(v) Any other records containing information that if disclosed might jeopardize or compromise efforts to secure and protect the public water system.



(C)This subdivision (b)(1
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shall expire on July 1, 2009.

(c)(1)Notwithstanding subdivision (b)(12) of this section, all employee evaluation or job performance records, including preliminary notes and other materials, shall be open to public inspection only upon final administrative resolution of any suspension or termination proceeding at which the records form a basis for the decision to suspend or terminate the employee and if there is a compelling public interest in their disclosure.

(2)Any personnel or evaluation records exempt from disclosure under this chapter shall nonetheless be made available to the person about whom the records are maintained or to that person's designated representative.

(3)(A)Upon receiving a request for the examination or copying of personnel or evaluation records, the custodian of the records shall determine within twenty-four (24) hours of the receipt of the request whether the records are exempt from disclosure and make efforts to the fullest extent possible to notify the person making the request and the subject of the records of that decision.

(B)(i)If the subject of the records cannot be contacted in person or by telephone within the twenty-four-hour period, the custodian shall send written notice via overnight mail to the subject of the records at his or her last known address. Either the custodian, requester, or the subject of the records may immediately seek an opinion from the Attorney General, who, within three (3) working days of receipt of the request, shall issue an opinion stating whether the decision is consistent with this chapter.

(ii)In the event of a review by the Attorney General, the custodian shall not disclose the records until the Attorney General has issued his or her opinion.



(C)However, nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prevent the requester or the subject of the records from seeking judicial review of the custodian's decision or the decision of the Attorney General.





(d)(1)Reasonable access to public records and reasonable comforts and facilities for the full exercise of the right to inspect and copy those records shall not be denied to any citizen.

(2)(A)Upon request and payment of a fee as provided in subdivision (d)(3) of this section, the custodian shall furnish copies of public records if the custodian has the necessary duplicating equipment.

(B)A citizen may request a copy of a public record in any medium in which the record is readily available or in any format to which it is readily convertible with the custodian's existing software.

(C)A custodian is not required to compile information or create a record in response to a request made under this section.



(3)(A)(i)Except as provided in § 25-19-109 or by law, any fee for copies shall not exceed the actual costs of reproduction, including the costs of the medium of reproduction, supplies, equipment, and maintenance, but not including existing agency personnel time associated with searching for, retrieving, reviewing, or copying the records.

(ii)The custodian may also charge the actual costs of mailing or transmitting the record by facsimile or other electronic means.

(iii)If the estimated fee exceeds twenty-five dollars ($25.00), the custodian may require the requester to pay that fee in advance.

(iv)Copies may be furnished without charge or at a reduced charge if the custodian determines that the records have been requested primarily for noncommercial purposes and that waiver or reduction of the fee is in the public interest.



(B)The custodian shall provide an itemized breakdown of charges under subdivision (d)(3)(A) of this section.





(e)If a public record is in active use or storage and therefore not available at the time a citizen asks to examine it, the custodian shall certify this fact in writing to the applicant and set a date and hour within three (3) working days at which time the record will be available for the exercise of the right given by this chapter.

(f)(1)No request to inspect, copy, or obtain copies of public records shall be denied on the ground that information exempt from disclosure is commingled with nonexempt information.

(2)Any reasonably segregable portion of a record shall be provided after deletion of the exempt information.

(3)The amount of information deleted shall be indicated on the released portion of the record and, if technically feasible, at the place in the record where the deletion was made.

(4)If it is necessary to separate exempt from nonexempt information in order to permit a citizen to inspect, copy, or obtain copies of public records, the custodian shall bear the cost of the separation.



(g)Any computer hardware or software acquired by an entity subject to

§ 25-19-103(5)(A) after July 1, 2001, shall be in full compliance with the requirements of this section and shall not impede public access to records in electronic form.(h)Notwithstanding any Arkansas law to the contrary, at the conclusion of any investigation conducted by a state agency in pursuit of civil penalties against the subject of the investigation, any settlement agreement entered into by a state agency shall be deemed a public document for the purposes of this chapter. However, the provisions of this subsection shall not apply to any investigation or settlement agreement involving any state tax covered by the Arkansas Tax Procedure Act,

§ 26-18-101 et seq.

History.Acts 1967, No. 93, § 4; 1977, No. 652, § 2; A.S.A. 1947, § 12-2804; Acts 1987, No. 49, § 1; 1989 (3rd Ex. Sess.), No. 8, § 1; 1993, No. 895, § 1; 1997, No. 540, § 52; 1997, No. 873, § 1; 1997, No. 1335, § 1; 1999, No. 1093, § 1; 2001, No. 1259, § 1; 2001, No. 1336, § 1; 2001, No. 1653, § 2; 2003, No. 213, § 1; 2003, No. 275, § 2; 2003, No. 763, § 2; 2003, No. 1214, § 1; 2005, No. 259, § 2; 2005, No. 2003, § 1; 2007, No. 268, § 2; 2007, No. 726, §§ 1, 2; 2007, No. 998, § 2.
 
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