fire_man2340
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When going OC is it legal or illegal to have a round in the chamber. To minny diffrent answers
When going OC is it legal or illegal to have a round in the chamber. To minny diffrent answers
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When going OC loaded/unloaded
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SouthernBoy
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fire_man2340 wrote:
In Virginia, it makes no difference. In practice and in order to be properly prepared, you should always carry in full battery (round in chamber). Depending upon what kind of sidearm you're using, this may or may not be an issue with you.
But as far as Virginia law is concerned, it makes no difference.
fire_man2340 wrote:
In Virginia, it makes no difference. In practice and in order to be properly prepared, you should always carry in full battery (round in chamber). Depending upon what kind of sidearm you're using, this may or may not be an issue with you.
But as far as Virginia law is concerned, it makes no difference.
va_tazdad
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Why would you not have one chambered?
Legeal either way :exclaim:
Why would you not have one chambered?
Legeal either way :exclaim:
ProShooter
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va_tazdad wrote:
I get this question all the time in class.
Some folks simply feel that without one the chamber, their level of safety increases. As we all know, that mode of carry actually puts them at greater risk.
Also, a lot of folks with a military background were trained to carry their weapon unchambered. Old habits are hard to break.
va_tazdad wrote:
I get this question all the time in class.
Some folks simply feel that without one the chamber, their level of safety increases. As we all know, that mode of carry actually puts them at greater risk.
Also, a lot of folks with a military background were trained to carry their weapon unchambered. Old habits are hard to break.
ProShooter
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fire_man234 - It seems that in this and other threads, you have raised a number of questions that would probably be covered by taking some kind of handgun training course.
I encourage you to check in your area and find a class that will answer these questions for you. There are many fine instructors on this board and in Virginia would can answer all of your questions. Training is always highly encouraged. As always, the folks here are willing to help as well.
fire_man234 - It seems that in this and other threads, you have raised a number of questions that would probably be covered by taking some kind of handgun training course.
I encourage you to check in your area and find a class that will answer these questions for you. There are many fine instructors on this board and in Virginia would can answer all of your questions. Training is always highly encouraged. As always, the folks here are willing to help as well.
darthmord
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ProShooter wrote:
ProShooter, I agree. The whole thing deals with level of Risk vs AD/ND as well as You vs BG. Typically, as one goes down, the other goes up.
At what risk level are *you* the end user comfortable? Some of us are comfortable with keeping a firearm at absolute readiness such that upon squeezing the trigger, the gun goes bang.
Others want to keep it to where a round must be chambered before use. Others like it even safer and keep the magazine & gun separate until used.
The thing is, each one of those above settings raises your personal risk level making you increasingly unsafe vs a BG.
Mine are ready for use the moment they leave the holster. I'd rather deal with the legal issues of AD/ND than of dealing with a BG intent upon harm.
ProShooter wrote:
ProShooter, I agree. The whole thing deals with level of Risk vs AD/ND as well as You vs BG. Typically, as one goes down, the other goes up.
At what risk level are *you* the end user comfortable? Some of us are comfortable with keeping a firearm at absolute readiness such that upon squeezing the trigger, the gun goes bang.
Others want to keep it to where a round must be chambered before use. Others like it even safer and keep the magazine & gun separate until used.
The thing is, each one of those above settings raises your personal risk level making you increasingly unsafe vs a BG.
Mine are ready for use the moment they leave the holster. I'd rather deal with the legal issues of AD/ND than of dealing with a BG intent upon harm.
wylde007
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darthmord wrote:
As for the Glock, unless removed from the holster, it CANNOT go off. Glock has been VERY SPECIFIC about their trigger group and three-stage safety design. Unless you trigger the gun correctly, it won't go off.
It certainly isn't going off in the holster.
And the only reason it should ever be out is if you intend to fire it.
darthmord wrote:
I don't recall what you carry, but in my case (S&W686+ w/hammer retention or Glock 19 in Check Six or Serpa) there is very little chance of AD. I have tried (empty, of course) to fire my 686 in the holster with the hammer retention closed and it won't budge. I mean, you'd have to be a total BEAST to get it to fire while holstered... and that still doesn't really qualify as AD.
As for the Glock, unless removed from the holster, it CANNOT go off. Glock has been VERY SPECIFIC about their trigger group and three-stage safety design. Unless you trigger the gun correctly, it won't go off.
It certainly isn't going off in the holster.
And the only reason it should ever be out is if you intend to fire it.
useful_idiot
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ProShooter wrote:
The value of NRA classes and other more defensive oriented classes cannot be overstated.
According to the statutes, Open carry is legal and there is no difference between carrying a loaded magazine with or without a round chambered in Virginia (IANAL--I am not a lawyer and not giving you legal advice).
ProShooter wrote:
As Sheriff would say, "Bingo! We have a winner!"
The value of NRA classes and other more defensive oriented classes cannot be overstated.
According to the statutes, Open carry is legal and there is no difference between carrying a loaded magazine with or without a round chambered in Virginia (IANAL--I am not a lawyer and not giving you legal advice).
hometheaterman
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Anyway this and the other thread just like this could be merged together? I'm finding it hard to figure out which thread I want to look in so I have to read both.
Anyway this and the other thread just like this could be merged together? I'm finding it hard to figure out which thread I want to look in so I have to read both.
virginiatuck
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wylde007 wrote:
wylde007 wrote:
Or to unload it.
darthmord
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wylde007 wrote:
Everything I may (or may not) have would require me to have my fingers actively engaging the trigger (with safety off) in order to fire. Thatdoesn't happen unless I'm going to shoot.
I've yet to have any instances of AD/ND growing up through present day. I intend to keep it that way too.
wylde007 wrote:
Everything I may (or may not) have would require me to have my fingers actively engaging the trigger (with safety off) in order to fire. Thatdoesn't happen unless I'm going to shoot.
I've yet to have any instances of AD/ND growing up through present day. I intend to keep it that way too.
wylde007
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virginiatuck wrote:
virginiatuck wrote:
Do what now?
virginiatuck
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wylde007 wrote:
wylde007 wrote:
Only for routine cleaning and oiling, of course.virginiatuck wrote:Do what now?
wylde007
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virginiatuck wrote:
I gotta say, I like this forum a little more every day.
:celebrate
virginiatuck wrote:
Of course. Obviously for that!:lol:
I gotta say, I like this forum a little more every day.
:celebrate
Neplusultra
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wylde007 wrote:
wylde007 wrote:
They forgot to mention about taking it out and caressing it :^). But you only do that when no one else is around, from what I hear.... :^).
SouthernBoy
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Neplusultra wrote:
Oh you naughty boy.
Neplusultra wrote:
Oh you naughty boy.
acrimsontide
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A firearm without one in the chamber makes a great paperweight
A firearm without one in the chamber makes a great paperweight
mlands
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I can't imagine not having a round chambered. When necessary all you should have to do is lift the gun out of the holster, aim, and shoot. At that "moment of truth" you do not want to be fumbling trying to chamber a round. More steps added to make the gun fire just compounds stress and causes a delay that could result in death. Most people may do quite well at the gun range but in a real situation even seasoned cops can screw up or can fumble nervously. Keep it simple.
I can't imagine not having a round chambered. When necessary all you should have to do is lift the gun out of the holster, aim, and shoot. At that "moment of truth" you do not want to be fumbling trying to chamber a round. More steps added to make the gun fire just compounds stress and causes a delay that could result in death. Most people may do quite well at the gun range but in a real situation even seasoned cops can screw up or can fumble nervously. Keep it simple.
ed
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Neplusultra wrote:
Neplusultra wrote:
and if's its a Kimber™
Bullbuster
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When I OC its 10 in the mag, 1 in the chamber and usually the safety off.
I know some states require that the chamber be empty or no mag inserted at all but I don't see the point. Excuse me while I load my gun to defend myself.
When I OC its 10 in the mag, 1 in the chamber and usually the safety off.
I know some states require that the chamber be empty or no mag inserted at all but I don't see the point. Excuse me while I load my gun to defend myself.