Jblack44
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Why not try and figure out why people are commiting suicide instead??? DUH!!!!
Why not try and figure out why people are commiting suicide instead??? DUH!!!!
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The Swiss might be giving up their arms
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SlackwareRobert
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Better yet, Hey you Swissers' I'll take that Dangerous weapon off of your hands!!!!
But as to what is a dangerous weapon, I do believe England said that the Swiss Jacket
with the mini swiss army knife in the custom pocket was dangerous.:what:
At least with them dissarmed Isreal can now attack and confiscate the stolen loot
from WWII.
Better yet, Hey you Swissers' I'll take that Dangerous weapon off of your hands!!!!
But as to what is a dangerous weapon, I do believe England said that the Swiss Jacket
with the mini swiss army knife in the custom pocket was dangerous.:what:
At least with them dissarmed Isreal can now attack and confiscate the stolen loot
from WWII.
Swampbeast
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Anyone else started to get a little nervous that in our lifetime, big brother may come a knocking?
Anyone else started to get a little nervous that in our lifetime, big brother may come a knocking?
MetalChris
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suntzu wrote:
suntzu wrote:
I actually know a guy who did just that.
Chaingun81
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ourmanthejoker wrote:
Actually, since you mentioned... I don't know if anyone even cares, but since we occasionly discuss gun laws in other countries i decided to post a little info on Russian gun laws.
Generally, Russian gun laws are somewhat similar to those in Shitcago or DC.
1) Long guns
Anyrussian citizen over 18 years oldcan own a smooth bore long gun. The purchase and posession is subject to a permit issued by local police on shall-issue basis to anyone without a criminal or mental health record. In order to recieve a permit an applicant should:
After getting the permit, applicant can go to the store and purchase any smooth-bore long gun. I'm pretty sure that you need a separate permit for each gun, but i might be wrong on this one. Within several days after the purchase, person must go to the range and shoot several rounds (don't remeber how many)and submit spent casings along with the registration application in order to register the firearm. Safe storage (not necessarily a safe, can be a lockable box or cabinet) is also reqired but rarely enforced.
After 5 years of owning a smooth-borelonggun without any violatons, one can purchase a rifle, subject to the same permit process.
Transportaion is only allowed unloaded and taken-down in locked container and only between place ofresidence and range/store. Obtaining a hunting permit (it's not a license to bag game like in US, it's really a permit to hunt which is relatively easy to get) will basically allow transportation anywhere, but also unloaded, taken-down and locked. Carry is prohibited alltogether, with exceptions for carrying in one's own property and while hunting.
2) Handguns
Posession of handguns is prohibited alltogether, except for sword personell of government LE agencies and employees of registered private security agencies while on duty. The only other exception are people whorecieved a personalizedengraved pistol for outstanding service issued by the government - normally it only happens to retired high ranking military and LE personell. I might be wrong, but i think they are allowed to carry it too.
3) Other restricted defensive devices
One can buy a so-called "traumatic pistol" which is generally a copy of a real handgun that can only shoot rubber bullets or a "gas pistol" which shoots tear gas/pepper spray mix(the most popular ones are Makarov clone whichare made by the same company as the real Makarov). Purchase is subject to a permit issued on "shall-issue" basis with the same reqirements as the long gun permit described above. However, this permit will allow the applicant to carry it concealed pretty much in any public place except usual secured areas (government buldings, courts, airports, etc.) and use it in self-defense. Permit to carry is recognized nationwide. The effectivness ofa "traumatic pistol"is at best doubtful, especially in cold Russian winter when all thick winter clothes people wear will reduce the impact by quite a lot. The "gas pistol" is pretty much useless alltogether - pepper spray would be a much safer, cheaper and easier option at this point.
4) Other unrestricted defensive devices
All other defensive devices listed below are sold over the counter, without permits, background checks or IDs, to anyone who appears to be an adult (technically you have to be 18 or over, but no one ever checks). They include:
5) Self defense laws
Generally, Russian law allows armed self devense. Defense of ones home with a firearm is also allowed. However, case law is really terrible in this regard and courts tend to over-enforce the "proportionality of force" requirement. In short, if you kill someone in self devense, even with bare hands or a household item, prepare to spend some time in prison, unless you are a disabled young pregnant woman who was attacked by a gang armed with full automatic weapons. Therefore, between complicated licensing process and potential legal problems, the most popular defensive items are a combination of pepper spray, stun guns, one's ownfists that can punch and legsthat can run fast. Spray/taze-punch-GTFO is probably the most effective self defense technique which is legally advisable in Russia...
Sorry for a long post, but if anyone was interested, it sums it up. Maybe moderators can move it to "other countries" section of the forum as a separate topic.
ourmanthejoker wrote:
Actually, since you mentioned... I don't know if anyone even cares, but since we occasionly discuss gun laws in other countries i decided to post a little info on Russian gun laws.
Generally, Russian gun laws are somewhat similar to those in Shitcago or DC.
1) Long guns
Anyrussian citizen over 18 years oldcan own a smooth bore long gun. The purchase and posession is subject to a permit issued by local police on shall-issue basis to anyone without a criminal or mental health record. In order to recieve a permit an applicant should:
- Pass nationwide criminal background check performed by police
- Get a certificate from local Mental Health Board stating that he/she never been treated for any violence-related mental issues and registered as a mentally disabled person
- Get a certificate from local Drug Enforcement Board stating that he/she neverbeentreated for drug addiction and never been registered as a drug addict. This one also incudes a short interview with a doctor which may result indrug test if you cause any suspicion
- Vision exam to verify that he/she is not legally blind
After getting the permit, applicant can go to the store and purchase any smooth-bore long gun. I'm pretty sure that you need a separate permit for each gun, but i might be wrong on this one. Within several days after the purchase, person must go to the range and shoot several rounds (don't remeber how many)and submit spent casings along with the registration application in order to register the firearm. Safe storage (not necessarily a safe, can be a lockable box or cabinet) is also reqired but rarely enforced.
After 5 years of owning a smooth-borelonggun without any violatons, one can purchase a rifle, subject to the same permit process.
Transportaion is only allowed unloaded and taken-down in locked container and only between place ofresidence and range/store. Obtaining a hunting permit (it's not a license to bag game like in US, it's really a permit to hunt which is relatively easy to get) will basically allow transportation anywhere, but also unloaded, taken-down and locked. Carry is prohibited alltogether, with exceptions for carrying in one's own property and while hunting.
2) Handguns
Posession of handguns is prohibited alltogether, except for sword personell of government LE agencies and employees of registered private security agencies while on duty. The only other exception are people whorecieved a personalizedengraved pistol for outstanding service issued by the government - normally it only happens to retired high ranking military and LE personell. I might be wrong, but i think they are allowed to carry it too.
3) Other restricted defensive devices
One can buy a so-called "traumatic pistol" which is generally a copy of a real handgun that can only shoot rubber bullets or a "gas pistol" which shoots tear gas/pepper spray mix(the most popular ones are Makarov clone whichare made by the same company as the real Makarov). Purchase is subject to a permit issued on "shall-issue" basis with the same reqirements as the long gun permit described above. However, this permit will allow the applicant to carry it concealed pretty much in any public place except usual secured areas (government buldings, courts, airports, etc.) and use it in self-defense. Permit to carry is recognized nationwide. The effectivness ofa "traumatic pistol"is at best doubtful, especially in cold Russian winter when all thick winter clothes people wear will reduce the impact by quite a lot. The "gas pistol" is pretty much useless alltogether - pepper spray would be a much safer, cheaper and easier option at this point.
4) Other unrestricted defensive devices
All other defensive devices listed below are sold over the counter, without permits, background checks or IDs, to anyone who appears to be an adult (technically you have to be 18 or over, but no one ever checks). They include:
- Pepper spray (OC, artificial equalent of OC, CS, OC+CS, OC+CN are all legal)
- Stun guns
- Knives with blades less thatabout 3"
5) Self defense laws
Generally, Russian law allows armed self devense. Defense of ones home with a firearm is also allowed. However, case law is really terrible in this regard and courts tend to over-enforce the "proportionality of force" requirement. In short, if you kill someone in self devense, even with bare hands or a household item, prepare to spend some time in prison, unless you are a disabled young pregnant woman who was attacked by a gang armed with full automatic weapons. Therefore, between complicated licensing process and potential legal problems, the most popular defensive items are a combination of pepper spray, stun guns, one's ownfists that can punch and legsthat can run fast. Spray/taze-punch-GTFO is probably the most effective self defense technique which is legally advisable in Russia...
Sorry for a long post, but if anyone was interested, it sums it up. Maybe moderators can move it to "other countries" section of the forum as a separate topic.
Alexcabbie
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Where is William Tell now that the Swiss people need him? Probably pigging out on raclette and too fat & happy to give a damn...
Where is William Tell now that the Swiss people need him? Probably pigging out on raclette and too fat & happy to give a damn...
Alexcabbie
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Where is William Tell now that the Swiss people need him? Probably pigging out on raclette and too fat & happy to give a damn...
Where is William Tell now that the Swiss people need him? Probably pigging out on raclette and too fat & happy to give a damn...
Chaingun81
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Grapeshot wrote:
Grapeshot wrote:
I really hope you are wrong and these inane laws ain't coming here...
Alexcabbie
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Bobby Jindal gave the Republican response to Obama's address last night. He sounded like Mr. Rodgers talking to King Friday the XIII about good neighborliness.:banghead:
Bobby Jindal gave the Republican response to Obama's address last night. He sounded like Mr. Rodgers talking to King Friday the XIII about good neighborliness.:banghead:
Chaingun81
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Alexcabbie wrote:
Alexcabbie wrote:
damn, and i had hope in Jindal to fight bho in 2012. I like Palin, but i fear what liberal media will do to her if she runs, judging by what they did to her as a VP candidate already. I used to like Huck, but i'm getting tired of his extreme Christian agenda including his brotherly love for illegal "brothers". Don't get me wrong, i'm very conservative fiscally and socially, but not religious. Too much bible beating spoils it for me. Ron Paul is great, but his chances will probably be killed by republican establishment before he even makes it into the eyesight of liberal media. WTF? Is having no balls a new republican doctrine???
Alexcabbie
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Yeah, it goes right perfect with dropping the soap all the time.
Tick-tock. The hour's on the clock.....
Yeah, it goes right perfect with dropping the soap all the time.
Tick-tock. The hour's on the clock.....
unreconstructed1
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I find this to be rather ironic, in a way. The Swiss military model is nearly identical to the model the founders had in mind for the Republic, and I think time has told that it is a good one. the fact that Switzerland has gone more than 200 years (?- someone correct me if the number isn't accurate) has shown that an armed and ready general population is the most important step that can be taken to ensure the safety and the Independence of a State ( or said in a much better way " a well regulated militia, being necessary to the Security of a free State...)
although several plans were drawn up by the German High command regarding an invasion of Switzerland, none of them were ever acted upon, probably due, in large part to the Swiss militia system, and the Nazi's knew that regardless of where they entered Switzerland, they would face heavy resistance.
Along those same lines is the comment supposedly made by Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto which he made when asked why, after Pearl Harbor, the Japanese military didn't push for an invasion of the American mainland
"You cannot invade the mainland United States.
There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
Now, as more and more Governments force de-armament upon their people, Ibelieve that we shall begin to see global national boundaries change.
I find this to be rather ironic, in a way. The Swiss military model is nearly identical to the model the founders had in mind for the Republic, and I think time has told that it is a good one. the fact that Switzerland has gone more than 200 years (?- someone correct me if the number isn't accurate) has shown that an armed and ready general population is the most important step that can be taken to ensure the safety and the Independence of a State ( or said in a much better way " a well regulated militia, being necessary to the Security of a free State...)
although several plans were drawn up by the German High command regarding an invasion of Switzerland, none of them were ever acted upon, probably due, in large part to the Swiss militia system, and the Nazi's knew that regardless of where they entered Switzerland, they would face heavy resistance.
Along those same lines is the comment supposedly made by Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto which he made when asked why, after Pearl Harbor, the Japanese military didn't push for an invasion of the American mainland
"You cannot invade the mainland United States.
There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
Now, as more and more Governments force de-armament upon their people, Ibelieve that we shall begin to see global national boundaries change.
Alexcabbie
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In the aftermath of the 2000 Presidential election and the ensuing Florida donnybrook, I had a passenger from England in my cab who smirked and said: "Well, seems to me you yanks can't manage your own elections..." I said: Hey, look Poindexter; there are probably more firearms legally owned by civilians here than anyplace else on the planet. And yet, if this election had happened any place else and turned out like this, the whole country would break out in gunfire within hours. US?? we just watch the late night comedians joke about it and let the process unfold. Here in America we don't shoot each other over politics. We shoot each other over IMPORTANT stuff like eating the last slice of pizza or hogging the remote!"
Ha ha.
Well, all I can say now is that the damn lefties had better pay attention to that rattling sound they hear. Elsewise they will find out what "don't tread on me" means. The HARD WAY.
SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS
In the aftermath of the 2000 Presidential election and the ensuing Florida donnybrook, I had a passenger from England in my cab who smirked and said: "Well, seems to me you yanks can't manage your own elections..." I said: Hey, look Poindexter; there are probably more firearms legally owned by civilians here than anyplace else on the planet. And yet, if this election had happened any place else and turned out like this, the whole country would break out in gunfire within hours. US?? we just watch the late night comedians joke about it and let the process unfold. Here in America we don't shoot each other over politics. We shoot each other over IMPORTANT stuff like eating the last slice of pizza or hogging the remote!"
Ha ha.
Well, all I can say now is that the damn lefties had better pay attention to that rattling sound they hear. Elsewise they will find out what "don't tread on me" means. The HARD WAY.
SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS
Tomahawk
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unreconstructed1 wrote:
I have never seen a credible source for that quote.
Switzerland is teetering on the edge of joining the EU, so it's no surprise that if they've gotten to the point where they consider trashing their sovereignty, they will give up their weapons.
In any case, weapons possession is not considered a "right" so much as a "duty". The State decides when it's a good idea for an armed citizenry, and when it's not. Switzerland has always been fairly socialist (socialism as an economic term, not a derogatory word for "liberals", which itself is a hijacked word), and has never been the "free" country many Americans believe.
It may betrue that the Founders looked to Sw. for a militia model, but not for a form of government. The irony is that the US was, for a while at least, a freer place than Sw. in terms of personal liberty and property rights, even though our attempts to establish a militia system pretty much failed and, after WWII, were replaced by a standing army, which "conservatives" love but the founders despised.
unreconstructed1 wrote:
I have never seen a credible source for that quote.
Switzerland is teetering on the edge of joining the EU, so it's no surprise that if they've gotten to the point where they consider trashing their sovereignty, they will give up their weapons.
In any case, weapons possession is not considered a "right" so much as a "duty". The State decides when it's a good idea for an armed citizenry, and when it's not. Switzerland has always been fairly socialist (socialism as an economic term, not a derogatory word for "liberals", which itself is a hijacked word), and has never been the "free" country many Americans believe.
It may betrue that the Founders looked to Sw. for a militia model, but not for a form of government. The irony is that the US was, for a while at least, a freer place than Sw. in terms of personal liberty and property rights, even though our attempts to establish a militia system pretty much failed and, after WWII, were replaced by a standing army, which "conservatives" love but the founders despised.
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suicide?? thats their excuse?
i talked this chick out of suicide for 7 loooong months, she always told me to bring my gun with me when i went to her house so she could kill herself... well besides her selfishness to take me down with her, i still tried to talk her out of it. well the end result... she finally dug that razor too deep in her wrist and bled out. it was a scene i wont soon forget
suicide prevention is an oxymoron, if they want to die thats what they will do. who are we to decide their fate anyways
suicide?? thats their excuse?
i talked this chick out of suicide for 7 loooong months, she always told me to bring my gun with me when i went to her house so she could kill herself... well besides her selfishness to take me down with her, i still tried to talk her out of it. well the end result... she finally dug that razor too deep in her wrist and bled out. it was a scene i wont soon forget
suicide prevention is an oxymoron, if they want to die thats what they will do. who are we to decide their fate anyways
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r6-rider wrote:
Suicide IMO is the ultimate selfish act - it takes nothing but one person's feelings into account.
Just goes to show you that if a gun is not available, they will find another way.
Yata hey
r6-rider wrote:
That is a tough road to travel.
Suicide IMO is the ultimate selfish act - it takes nothing but one person's feelings into account.
Just goes to show you that if a gun is not available, they will find another way.
Yata hey