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    iT JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story...824&page=1 MR. HOLDER SAYS BAN IS COMING

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    So now they violate our freedom because of drug trafficing in Mexico? At least "tearUHrizm" hypothetically effected us.

    Piss on me if you must, but don't try to tell me it's raining.

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    Why is it that when smuggling occurs from Mexico to the U.S. (drugs and illegal aliens),it is our problem and they have no obligation to stop it, they even provide maps to where water can be found in the desert and routes to take to avoid being found, but when smuggling occurs from the U.S. to Mexico, we have to give up our rights, and help them stop a crime problem that is rooted in their own corrupt system?

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    **** him

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    Hands up if you're surprised by this.

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    Hey Holder! I got yer "assault weapon".....RIGHT HERE.

    SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS

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    The fastest way to end the violence in Mexico is to end the War On (some) Drugs in the U.S.


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    Got this letter from the VCDL news alerts. It seems even Pelosi, yes Speaker of the House Pelosi, is even avoiding this. Just figured I would pass it along.





    More federal gun stuff :-(

    In trying to head off what will surely be a ton of emails from people
    concerned about the statement in the news (below) from the U.S.
    Attorney General that the Obama Administration wants to reinstate the
    Assault Weapon Ban (AWB), let me address the issue.

    Before I could get this email out, the Speaker of the House, Nancy
    Pelosi, beat me to the punch (also below).

    The President can desire to do something like reinstate the AWB all he
    wants, but he can't do so without Congress passing a bill to that
    effect and getting it to the President's desk.

    That is a huge BUT.

    When the first AWB was passed in 1993 we had a Democratic President, a
    Democratic House, and a Democratic Senate.

    The next election following the passage of the AWB, we had a
    Democratic President, a Republican House, and a Republican Senate.

    The Democrats could not get either the House or the Senate back for
    over a decade.

    Gun owners are now MUCH more organized than we were back in 1993. A
    lot of gun groups, like VCDL, didn't even exist back then. And the
    Internet was not being used by the gun-rights movement to disseminate
    information and to coordinate efforts.

    Nancy Pelosi is running away from passing an AWB, saying that all we
    need to do is enforce current law.

    There is always a danger that an AWB could be passed down the road,
    but for now, VCDL and the various national gun rights organizations
    will remain watchful. VCDL will continue to focus on Virginia issues
    as its priority unless national issues overcome us.

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    This chaos in Mexico sounds like terrorism that may spill over into the US, and is affecting us via the drugs and labor slaves being smuggled in.

    That being said, isn't it federal policy or at least their modus operandi at this point to invade and help put down this threat? Seems to me this is more dangerous to the citizens of the US than imaginary WMDs.

    Just a thought.

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    These problems in Mexico already have spilled over into the states. Phoenix is now the kidnapping capitol of th US, and we are seeing a major increase in gang related and drug related violence all over New Mexico. In fact, this increase in violence is one of the main reasons that I and my fiancee have both started to OC.

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    But that's impossible! All of the AHSA/Obama people who posted here before the election said that would NEVER happen!

    Boy, I'll bet AHSA is sure going to give Obama a piece of THEIR mind! (And it better be a very SMALL piece, lest they be left with no mind at all.)

    AHSA: The Judenrat and Kapos of the gun "rights" movement. I hope the nitwits who bought their lies enjoy being "resettled to the east"...
    --- Gun control: The theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists.

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    JerichoXD wrote:
    These problems in Mexico already have spilled over into the states. Phoenix is now the kidnapping capitol of th US, and we are seeing a major increase in gang related and drug related violence all over New Mexico. In fact, this increase in violence is one of the main reasons that I and my fiancee have both started to OC.
    There ya go. Mexico has obviously lost control of its Democracy and is now a haven for terrorists who are attacking the US. Stop all trade, lock down the borders and if they don't get it under control to our satisfaction, we get it under control for them.

    OR...

    We could de-criminalize drug use, give the death sentence to anyone caught dealing to minors and shoot anyone caught attempting to cross the border illegally under the assumption that they are terrorists.

    I like #2 myself.



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    Land mines would be great as long as they could be relied on to kill and not leave somebody wounded to help clog up an emergency room somewhere.

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    If a landmine blows their leg off in the desert and there is no one there to hear them scream..... do they actually make a noise? :shock:

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    I live about 10-15 miles from the border as the crow flies. I can see the mountains from my porch. I'm armed 24/7 'cept in the rainlocker, 'n then it's on the counter. Still no 'wall'... They have a BP truck with some fancy heat sensor mast prob'ly cobbled from an AC-130's nighttargeting imagery gadget. There's a few towers... they call a 'virtual fence'...By the time anybody gets to where the bean banditsare... They're gone.

    I don't want 'virtual... I want a fence. A real one with a decent minefield behind it. Nuthin' fancy... just triple concertina razor wire strung about a 1,000 miles interspersed with guard towers with mini-guns 'n night vision sniper rifles 'n horse mounted patrols. Horses are still better in the desert.

    Holder's a metro-centric Chicago politicalrobot who wouldn't know the dynamic of the border from a pizza shop.

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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    SNIP I don't want 'virtual... I want a fence. A real one with a decent minefield behind it. Nuthin' fancy... just triple concertina razor wire strung about a 1,000 miles interspersed with guard towers with mini-guns 'n night vision sniper rifles 'n horse mounted patrols. Horses are still better in the desert.
    Kryste!! Iwonder what he considers fancy!

    I like the horse idea!
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    JerichoXD wrote:
    These problems in Mexico already have spilled over into the states. Phoenix is now the kidnapping capitol of th US, and we are seeing a major increase in gang related and drug related violence all over New Mexico. In fact, this increase in violence is one of the main reasons that I and my fiancee have both started to OC.
    And clueless anti gun snowbirds wonder why Arizona citizens walk around openly wearing a sidearm.:what::what:

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    Citizen wrote:
    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    SNIP I don't want 'virtual... I want a fence. A real one with a decent minefield behind it. Nuthin' fancy... just triple concertina razor wire strung about a 1,000 miles interspersed with guard towers with mini-guns 'n night vision sniper rifles 'n horse mounted patrols. Horses are still better in the desert.
    Kryste!! Iwonder what he considers fancy!

    I like the horse idea!
    Foo Gas, claymores, motion and ground sensoractivated detonators and flares... and a few NG artillery batteries 'bout 10 miles backfor some in-depthdenial or H&I. Possibly deputize volunteer'citizens' forlocal scout snipers and interdiction patrol teams. Want more?

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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    SNIP I don't want 'virtual... I want a fence. A real one with a decent minefield behind it. Nuthin' fancy... just triple concertina razor wire strung about a 1,000 miles interspersed with guard towers with mini-guns 'n night vision sniper rifles 'n horse mounted patrols. Horses are still better in the desert.
    Kryste!! Iwonder what he considers fancy!

    I like the horse idea!
    Foo Gas, claymores, motion and ground sensoractivated detonators and flares... and a few NG artillery batteries 'bout 10 miles backfor some in-depthdenial or H&I. Possibly deputize volunteer'citizens' forlocal scout snipers and interdiction patrol teams. Want more?
    Beer for the horses.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    No land mines. You guys are mean. We just need a double fence along the entire border with a "dead zone" between the fences, with motion/heat detector automatic firing systems miniguns mounted every so often. Anything human sized between the fences gets the minigun. Helicopters go out once a week and drop lye down the "no man's land" if the mini-guns have been activated. The key is that the minigun "trip" is only on the Mexican side fence. Pass through the fence from US to Mexico the targeting (which only can fire between the fences) is not activated. This isn't the Berlin Wall. We don't care if people want to leave, just if they want to come in other than through border check points. Ok, maybe a little over the top.

    I have been and am in favor of building the damn physical fence along the entire border. Let's use a big chunk of the $787 billion spending bill for something usefull like that. It'll save us billions in gov't aid and unpaid healthcare. Horseback border patrols sound like a good idea as well. I'm mad as hell that our gov't which is charged in the constitution to protect any state from invasion has just blown off the Mexican and South American invasion across the Mexican border.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    deepdiver wrote:
    SNIP I'm mad as hell that our gov't which is charged in the constitution to protect any state from invasion has just blown off the Mexican and South American invasion across the Mexican border.
    Have you read about Nepolit--whatever her name is, and Obama's reaction to the recent arrest of illegals at an engineshop in (Washington state?)?

    Obama said something like the system is broken and needsreform.

    Ha!! It needs enforcement. Thanks, Prez, for telegraphing yourintentions.

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    He's gonna go for Amnesty... Hide 'n watch!

    We'll be overrrun 'n out voted permanentlyin no time flat...

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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    He's gonna go for Amnesty... Hide 'n watch!

    We'll be overrrun 'n out voted permanentlyin no time flat...
    Oh, yes. Thanks for reminding me. I did hear that, too.

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    I have heard about the bill with "back door amnesty" in it and I also read today about Napolitano's objections to the raid without informing her and her suspension of further raids until there is a "review". Yep, mad as hell.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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