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    a friend on a mustang forum is coming to the states, is there any law fed or state that will prevent him from possessing a gun at a range in florida?

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    From 2003 to 2006 I was a range officer at a large county-operated gun range in South Florida. We saw numerous vacationing foreigners visit our facility, and it was a pleasure to introduce so many people to the shooting sports--especially to people who could not enjoy that right in their home country.

    No laws against foreigners shooting at a public range in Florida. I believe to purchase a firearm you would hve to establish residency, but as for possessing and/or using a firearm, as long as you are 'legally' in the United States (In times past, I believe canadians didn't require passports and entrance stamps, but this may have changed) then you should be good to go.

    I am assuming that the canadians are not bringing the firearms into the country with them, and are meeting some folks here (with firearms)to do the shooting ?

    In addition, there are still some ranges that rent guns, but I cannot speak for each ranges' rental policies.

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    I don't know for sure. ATF's website says that persons in the country on "nonimmigrant visas" are not allowed to own or posses firearms.



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    but you would think a shooting range would fall under special circumstances. its not like they are running around the streets with it in there glove box or something. a child is not supposed to have a gun in there possession, but they can at ranges and shooting matches.

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    just to make sure, call the range in advance and they might be able to give you a better answer so you don't drive down there just to get the person arrested.

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    rmodel65 wrote:
    a friend on a mustang forum is coming to the states, is there any law fed or state that will prevent him from possessing a gun at a range in florida?
    No. Shoot away.

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    mjarnold wrote:
    but you would think a shooting range would fall under special circumstances. its not like they are running around the streets with it in there glove box or something. a child is not supposed to have a gun in there possession, but they can at ranges and shooting matches.
    "You would think" and the way ATF does things are seldom in line with each other.

    Best advice I can give is to call a few different ATF field offices and ask (and note who you spoke to).

    Personally, I've seen foreigners at the range that I go to more times than I can count. Unless "The Man" randomly stops by and starts IDing people, you should be fine (assuming that they can't legally shoot).

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    What manner of country have we become where we are now an "ask permission first" place?

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    Probably a little late considering this was posted almost a year ago, but:

    18 USC s.922(g)(5)(B)

    It shall be unlawful for any person who, being an alien except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(26))) to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.

    8 USC 1101(a)(26)

    As used in this chapter The term “nonimmigrant visa” means a visa properly issued to an alien as an eligible nonimmigrant by a competent officer as provided in this chapter.

    18 USC s.922(y)(2)

    Subsections (d)(5)(B), (g)(5)(B), and (s)(3)(B)(v)(II) do not apply to any alien who has been lawfully admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa, if that alien is—
    (A) admitted to the United States for lawful hunting or sporting purposes or is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued in the United States;
    (B) an official representative of a foreign government who is—
    (i) accredited to the United States Government or the Government’s mission to an international organization having its headquarters in the United States; or
    (ii) en route to or from another country to which that alien is accredited;
    (C) an official of a foreign government or a distinguished foreign visitor who has been so designated by the Department of State; or
    (D) a foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business.
    18 USC s.922(y)(3)

    (A) Conditions for waiver.— Any individual who has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa may receive a waiver from the requirements of subsection (g)(5), if—
    (i) the individual submits to the Attorney General a petition that meets the requirements of subparagraph (C); and
    (ii) the Attorney General approves the petition.
    (B) Petition.— Each petition under subparagraph (B) shall—
    (i) demonstrate that the petitioner has resided in the United States for a continuous period of not less than 180 days before the date on which the petition is submitted under this paragraph; and
    (ii) include a written statement from the embassy or consulate of the petitioner, authorizing the petitioner to acquire a firearm or ammunition and certifying that the alien would not, absent the application of subsection (g)(5)(B), otherwise be prohibited from such acquisition under subsection (g).
    (C) Approval of petition.— The Attorney General shall approve a petition submitted in accordance with this paragraph, if the Attorney General determines that waiving the requirements of subsection (g)(5)(B) with respect to the petitioner— (i) would be in the interests of justice; and (ii) would not jeopardize the public safety.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...2----000-.html

    The short answer is NO. It is illegal for a non-immigrant alien to so much as touch a gun unless they qualify for an exception. The only exceptions that might apply are if you have a hunting license and give hunting/sporting as the purpose of your visit or you stay for more than 6 months.

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    theodoxa wrote:
    Probably a little late considering this was posted almost a year ago, but:
    Ya think?

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    I replied to these posts because whether or not its too late for the person asking, someone else could have the same question down the road and since the post was still within the first few pages of the forum, someone looking for previous posts on the topic would likely find this post and might use the replies (some incorrect and without citation) to answer their own question.

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    Socialist, communist, or Marxist. Take your pick. One of those should fit the current situation pretty closely.

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    Socialist, communist, or Marxist. Take your pick. One of those should fit the current situation pretty closely.

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    My personal experience

    There is no problem with a Canadian citizen carrying/possesing/using legally anywhere in the USA.

    Easiest way is to apply for a hunting license (online at Alaska govt site is $20) and send the ATF an 6NIA form.

    You cannot purchase firearms while in the USA, and you must leave the country with the firearms you went in with.

    I've done it for 4 years now on trips to Oregon from Vancouver, BC, Canada. I do some target shooting with friends who own a ranch in Bend, and we go to local ranges.

    I came to this site seeking more specific info on open carrying by Canadians, but haven't found anything yet. If we are expected to obey and adhere to all the laws as if we are citizens of the state we're in, it makes sense to me that we can open carry just as residents can where open carry is permitted.

    If anyone has any info, please let me know. I'll be contacting the BATF regarding this soon if I don't hear anything here.
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    This page seems to provide answers to all the questions here:

    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/noni...nt-aliens.html

    I must admit I knew non-immigrant aliens couldn't buy guns (unless they have resided in the US 90 days and have a hunting license), but I didn't know they couldn't possess. I've been to the shooting range with foreigners before and I even saw a news report once about how some Japanese tourists come to Hawaii specifically to experience shooting a gun. However as the above poster indicated all the "non-immigrant alien" has to do is acquire a hunting license from ANY state and he may possess and carry in accordance with local law.
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