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    VA-ALERT: ACTION ITEM: Restaurant Ban Repeal


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Philip Van Cleave
    Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:32 PM
    Subject: VA-ALERT: ACTION ITEM: Restaurant Ban Repeal

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    Governor Kaine is in a very interesting position on the restaurant ban
    repeal this year.

    Last year he vetoed a restaurant ban repeal that would have allowed
    CHP holders to carry concealed as long as they didn't drink. However,
    the Governor then turned around and signed another bill into law that
    allowed off-duty, untrained, Commonwealth Attorneys to carry concealed
    in restaurants that serve alcoholic beverages and even drink!

    While the Governor denied that Commonwealth Attorneys would be able to
    carry concealed in restaurants, the law was clear - they could. The
    Attorney General agreed with VCDL and so did all the other attorneys
    I consulted with.

    This year the Governor has TWO restaurant ban repeal bills on his desk:

    * The first, SB 877 (Martin), allows retired police officers from ANY
    jurisdiction to carry concealed in restaurants that serve alcohol and
    even drink while doing so

    * The second, SB 1035 (Hanger), allows CHP holders to carry concealed
    in restaurants as long as they don't drink

    There is no way the Governor could miss the implications of the first
    bill, as the only part of the code that it modifies is the part
    dealing with concealed carry in restaurants that serve alcoholic
    beverages. The change is direct and clear.

    So the Governor has four choices as to what to do:

    * Sign both bills and let ALL those who can legally carry concealed in
    Virginia, carry concealed in restaurants. This would be consistent
    with signing the Commonwealth Attorney bill last year and the fair
    thing to do.

    * Sign the retired police bill, but veto the CHP holder bill. This
    would be the height of hypocrisy. By signing the bill last year
    allowing off-duty Commonwealth Attorneys, untrained with firearms, to
    carry concealed in all Virginia restaurants and drink, followed by
    signing a bill this year to make it clear that vacationing, retired
    game wardens from Hawaii can carry concealed in all Virginia
    restaurants and drink, while denying a Virginia CHP holder concealed
    carry in the same restaurants, even if the CHP holder doesn't drink,
    would be indefensible.

    * Sign the CHP holder bill, but veto the retired police bill. That
    combination would never happen. But even so, a retired police officer
    could simply get a CHP and he could then carry concealed in
    restaurants, but would lose the ability to drink while doing so.

    * Veto both bills.

    Finally, the Governor has one other tool he can use - he can NOT sign
    one or both bills, in which case they become law without his
    blessing. That allows the will of the People to be addressed, while
    allowing a governor to distance himself from the bill.

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    ACTION ITEM:

    Let's flood the Governor's office with phone calls and emails. We
    have a good bill that we can stand behind, so we need our voices to
    ring out loud and clear.

    The Governor's phone number: (804) 786-2211
    The Governor's fax number: (804) 371-6351

    The Governor's webmail address (double-click or copy/paste into your
    browser):

    http://www.governor.virginia.gov/Abo...ctGovernor.cfm

    Suggested webmail subject:

    Support BOTH SB 1035 and SB 877!

    Suggested webmail (copy and paste into the webmail form):

    Please sign SB 1035, which allows Virginia's most law-abiding
    citizens, concealed handgun permit holders, to carry concealed in
    restaurants that serve alcoholic beverages as long as they don't
    consume alcoholic beverages. The bill passed both Houses with strong,
    bipartisan support.

    I encourage you to also sign SB 877, which allows retired law
    enforcement officers, who are also law-abiding citizens, to carry
    concealed in restaurants that serve alcoholic beverages.



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    Done first thing this morning when I got the email.
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    Done This morning.
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    With just a little bit if editing (to clarify some of the jargon we are all familiar with) and removing the action item request at the bottom, this note from Philip would make for an excellent guest opinion article in newspapers across the state.

    I hope he submits it as such. Many won't print it, but a few just might.

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    email sent. I also pointed out this law would do nothing but permit a layer of cotton or linen to be placed over what is already legal (OC) and that there hasn't been running gunfights over the past decade with OC.
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    sent when i got it in my email

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    Recieved in today's Inbox:

    Dear Mr. XXXXXXXX:



    Thank you for your letter regarding legislation that passed the 2009 General Assembly session. I am currently reviewing these bills and am in the process of making a decision to sign or veto them in their original form. I appreciate your input and will take it into consideration during this process.



    It is important to me that every Virginian's voice is heard, and it is very valuable to know the concerns across the Commonwealth. Again, thank you for your input and feel free to contact my office in the future.



    Sincerely,

    Timothy M. Kaine

    Governor of Virginia



    A nice generic form letter-style Email Response :?


    Of couse he didn't seem to give a Ratz Patooti about Virginian's voices last year....unless they agreed with him. :P
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    Shovelhead wrote:
    Recieved in today's Inbox:

    Dear Mr. XXXXXXXX:



    Thank you for your letter regarding legislation that passed the 2009 General Assembly session. I am currently reviewing these bills and am in the process of making a decision to sign or veto them in their original form. I appreciate your input and will take it into consideration during this process.



    It is important to me that every Virginian's voice is heard, and it is very valuable to know the concerns across the Commonwealth. Again, thank you for your input and feel free to contact my office in the future.



    Sincerely,

    Timothy M. Kaine

    Governor of Virginia



    A nice generic form letter-style Email Response :?


    Of couse he didn't seem to give a Ratz Patooti about Virginian's voices last year....unless they agreed with him. :P
    I am surprised it is not an automated response (or perhaps they just place a delay on it asto make it notappear automated).

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    Done a few days ago, both with our form-letter email and my own; got his form-letter response both times. For all the good it'll do us...

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    Shovelhead wrote:
    Recieved in today's Inbox:

    Dear Mr. XXXXXXXX:



    Thank you for your letter regarding legislation that passed the 2009 General Assembly session. I am currently reviewing these bills and am in the process of making a decision to sign or veto them in their original form. I appreciate your input and will take it into consideration during this process.



    It is important to me that every Virginian's voice is heard, and it is very valuable to know the concerns across the Commonwealth. Again, thank you for your input and feel free to contact my office in the future.



    Sincerely,

    Timothy M. Kaine

    Governor of Virginia



    A nice generic form letter-style Email Response :?


    Of couse he didn't seem to give a Ratz Patooti about Virginian's voices last year....unless they agreed with him. :P
    I got the same generic email too!!

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