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    New Bipartisan Poll Shows Overwhelming Support for Common Sense Gun Laws


    90% of Illinois Voters Support Requiring Background Checks for All Gun Sales

    CHICAGO, March 3 /PRNewswire/ -- Today the Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence (ICPGV), a project of Legal Community Against Violence (LCAV), released the results from a new statewide, bipartisan poll on gun violence prevention. The survey results show an overwhelming majority of Illinois voters strongly support common sense gun laws such as background checks for private gun sales and requiring gun owners to report lost or stolen guns to law enforcement. Despite conventional wisdom, additional polling in Senate districts in Western Collar Counties and the Peoria metropolitan area also showed strong support for these common sense measures.

    Voters statewide expressed overwhelming support for closing the "private sale loophole" by requiring background checks for all gun sales, with 90 percent in support and 76 percent strongly supporting such a measure. Support for universal background checks was strong among Republicans (85%), gun owners (79%), and NRA members (70%). Women, voters residing in the suburbs of Chicago, and Hispanic voters had the highest levels of support for the measure, each at 96 percent.

    "It's not surprising that so many women support background checks on private gun sales," said Representative Elizabeth Coulson (R-Glenview). "The fact is that women who are the victims of domestic abuse are particularly at risk of being shot and killed and gun violence disproportionately affects children and young people. If you're thinking about the safety of your family and your own safety, it makes sense to support something as simple and necessary as background checks to keep felons, domestic violence offenders, minors and people with severe mental illness from accessing guns."

    The survey results follow the recent House Committee passage of legislation to close the "private sale loophole" for handguns. The bill, HB 48, is sponsored by Representative Harry Osterman (D-Chicago) and would require the sale or transfer of any handgun between two private individuals to be conducted at a federally licensed firearm dealer so that a background check can be completed.

    "This is a public safety issue," explained Representative Osterman. "In 2007, over 800 FOID card holders became prohibited purchasers and were stopped from buying guns because of background checks at gun shows and gun stores. It just doesn't make sense that these people could have bought guns from private sellers without a background check. FOID cards alone are not enough to prevent prohibited purchasers from accessing guns."

    In Senate District 46, which includes Peoria and is represented by Senator David Koehler, 90 percent of voters also favored background checks on all gun sales. Even among gun owners and NRA members surveyed in this district, support for universal background checks was strong at 86 percent and 72 percent respectively.

    In DuPage County, voters in Senate Districts 23 and 24 were consistent with statewide levels of support for requiring background checks for private sales, with nine in 10 voters supporting universal background checks. Republican voters also overwhelmingly supported the measure in these districts, with 86 percent favoring universal background checks in Senator Carol Pankau's district (23) and 91 percent favoring in Senator Kirk Dillard's district (24).

    A measure that would require greater gun owner responsibility also gained the support of nearly all Illinois voters. When Illinois voters were asked if they support requiring gun owners to inform law enforcement if any of their guns are lost or stolen, 95 percent said they favor the requirement, with 81 percent strongly favoring loss or theft reporting. Moreover, nine out of 10 gun owners and NRA members support such reporting.

    "Law enforcement officials need to know when firearms are lost or stolen because these are the guns that typically get into the illegal market and end up in the hands of criminals," said Cook County State's Attorney Anita Alvarez. "A lost or stolen requirement would help deter gun trafficking and discourage straw purchasing."

    The bipartisan team of Overbrook Research (R) and Lake Research Partners (D) conducted the statewide poll of 612 voters, as well as additional surveys of over 300 voters each in three state Senate districts (23, 24, and 46), which included six state House districts (45, 46, 47, 48, 91, and 92). Support for the proposed gun laws was strong in all three Senate districts, which include the Peoria metropolitan area and Western Collar Counties, with majorities favoring the policies whether leaning Republican or Democrat.

    Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a project of Legal Community Against Gun Violence, is a research-based public education campaign to promote meaningful gun policy reform in Illinois. Working with a statewide advisory group representing law enforcement, the medical and public health communities, faith-based organizations, local and state policymakers, victims, youth, and advocacy groups, ICPGV informs the public and the media on the facts about gun violence and prevention policies. For more information about ICPGV, including polling facts sheets and policy fact sheets providing a brief analysis of each of the proposed changes to Illinois state law, visit http://www.icpgv.org.

    Legal Community Against Violence is a public interest law center dedicated to preventing gun violence. LCAV focuses on policy reform at the state and local levels and serves public officials and activists working to prevent gun violence. Founded by lawyers in response to the tragic shooting at 101 California Street in San Francisco in 1993, LCAV is the country's only organization devoted exclusively to providing legal assistance in support of gun violence prevention. For more information, visit http://www.lcav.org.

    SOURCE Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

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    Voters statewide expressed overwhelming support for closing the "private sale loophole" by requiring background checks for all gun sales, with 90 percent in support and 76 percent strongly supporting such a measure.
    Let's see, now. IIRC I passed third grade arithmatic, after 2 or 3 tries. 90% of Illinois voters + 76% of Illinois voters = 166% of Illinois voters.

    Amazingly, I also passed Statistics - twice! Once as an undergrad, and again as a graduate student. These polls where one is asked to choose how much they support a particular idea are based on Likert Scales - where you rate something from1 -5, or1 -10, or 1-100. You can only choose one number/ranking. Let's construct a replica of what the VPC survey question probably looked like:

    Do you support closing the "Gun Show Loophole" that allows anybody, including mass murderers, rapist, child molesters and Conservatives, to buy guns, including fully semiautomatic assault weapons, from private sellers without having a background check?

    1 2 3 45

    No Not Really Kinda SortaHeck yeah! Nobody should

    have a gun anyway.



    So 90% of those taking the poll (amazingly, the number polled is never mentioned) picked #4, and 76% picked #5. I guess the poll was based on the same sort of ballot they used down in Florida - the kind with the chads that can get you hung.

    OK, so in Illinois the dead getsurveyed twice, I guess. Or maybe the whole thing was outsourced to ACORN, seeing as how they have so much experience in stuff like this. Because we all know VPC would never report anything that was not 100% (or more) on the up and up. [/sarcasm]

    Hope you all stayed awake through the statistics lecture. Class dismissed.

    stay safe.

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    * Edited to correct numbers for Likert scales.

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    Um....no...

    If the scale is:

    1: Strongly oppose
    2: Oppose
    3: Neutral
    4: Support
    5: Strongly support


    and 14% pick #4 and 76% pick #5...

    Then 90% "support it". 76% strongly so.


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    "Common Sense" said Jeff Cooper "Is that faculty which tells us the Earth is flat", and the Antis know this, so they keep pushing their crapola as "common sense".

    Poll samples can also be very subtly hand-picked so as to produce a desired result. The aim of course is to convince fence-sitters that "to be like everybody else" they should agree with the majority in the poll. This is why in advertising you so often see "If you are like most people you like...." Nobody wants to be an oddball. Also the wording of poll questions can be quite predjudicial, as in "Do you agree that guns used to kill police officers should be banned?" Now since lots of cops are shot with their own guns, the logical solution would be to disarm the police as part of the solution, but if you ask "should we disarm the police" the response would be quite different.

    This poll is just another big orangey pantload from the lace underpants of the Brady Bunch. Phooey on it.

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    The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.

    Monkeys on keyboards, given sufficient time, will produce agreement that instantly becomes 'consensus' and democratic 'truth'.

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    As soon as I read "90% of Illinois voters support" I knew everything that followed as horse squeeze. 90% of IL voters couldn't even agree that Gov Blagojevich should be impeached and removed from office. Responsible and respected organizations release their questions, scale and raw data on such polls to prove reliability and validity. Any polling results that do not contain at least the questions is suspect.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    MetalChris wrote:
    New Bipartisan Poll Shows Overwhelming Support for Common Sense Gun Laws
    Should read "New Bipartisan Poll Shows a lot more SHEEP in the pasture than previously thought."

    Or

    "New Bipartisan Poll shows blurred line between parties has completely faded and everyone is now a Marxist shill."
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    Teej wrote:
    Um....no...

    If the scale is:

    1: Strongly oppose
    2: Oppose
    3: Neutral
    4: Support
    5: Strongly support


    and 14% pick #4 and 76% pick #5...

    Then 90% "support it". 76% strongly so.



    If 14% pick #4, then how can there still be 90% of them out there ? If 90 % "support" that only leaves 10% for the rest of the choices. If 4 and 5 were the only choices picked, THEN you could say, 90% Support it, while the reminaing 10% STRONGLY support it.

    The polls today are just another tool used by the MSM to spread FALSE information around more effectively.

    They poll 10 people, per county, then say things like, "90% of the state supports gun laws". Based on just those ten per county. Not to mention those ten were probably all neighbors or Democraps



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    If those idiots told me gravity works, I'd have to jump up and down to test them. I believe NOTHING they (antis) publish.

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    Dustin wrote:
    Teej wrote:
    Um....no...

    If the scale is:

    1: Strongly oppose
    2: Oppose
    3: Neutral
    4: Support
    5: Strongly support


    and 14% pick #4 and 76% pick #5...

    Then 90% "support it". 76% strongly so.



    If 14% pick #4, then how can there still be 90% of them out there ? If 90 % "support" that only leaves 10% for the rest of the choices. If 4 and 5 were the only choices picked, THEN you could say, 90% Support it, while the reminaing 10% STRONGLY support it.


    14%+76%=90% Both 4&5 support it. 76% of them strongly.

    If you pole a bunch of ignorant (not necessarily stupid) people and phrase the question just right you can get most people to agree with just about anything. Its a shame that people vote on things that they don't really know anything about. I hate these types of poles and never respond to them because they always tend to skew the questions or the data to say whatever they want it to say.

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    Poll, too.

    I believe if you pole enough people they get right tired of it.
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    The problem with all of these "polls" is this: the questions are constructed in such a way as to elicit an already predetermined answer from the people...hence a question such as

    :do you support a measure which would close the gun show loophole which would prohibit private individuals, including murderers, child molesters, rapists, other violent offenders and conservatives from obtaining weapons without passing a background check"...

    the only OBVIOUS answer to the above question would be YES--because who wants to permit a child molester to purchase a firearm from a private individual? surveys are useless and totally biased--especially when it concerns surveys issued by the anti-gun movement....




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    wylde007 wrote:
    Poll, too.

    I believe if you pole enough people they get right tired of it.
    Yep. thanks:?
    Some day they will invent a spell checker that will keep me from looking stupid.

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    Spell-checker won't fix a properly spelled word improperly utilized.
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    wylde007 wrote:
    Spell-checker won't fix a properly spelled word improperly utilized.
    Actually either way you spell it this pole/poll is a d*&k in the kiester.

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    There is just to much conspiracy going on. You just need to call during
    working hours, and you will only get the wellfare sheep to respond.
    Maybe a few gang bangers who are all for the rest of us being disarmed also.

    Simple poll would be....

    Which do you prefer:
    1. You have gun, bad guy doesn't
    2. Bad guy has gun, you don't.

    There is a poll I want to see.


    Has anyone even heard of someone who is not allowed to buy a gun, and bought one
    at a private sale being charged? Could it be that it doesn't happen?
    Out of trunk in a back alley excluded.

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    Here in the Wahington Metropolitan Area, the living breathing cartoons who run the D.C. city government insist that their gun-banning ways would be successful EXCEPT that all these bad, nasty guns keep crossing the river from Virginia. Therefore it is desireable that Virginia adopt D.C.'s gun-control laws and everything in D.C. will be sweetness and light. Well.

    Here in Northern Virginia our murder rate is a fraction of D.C.'s. In fact our violent crime rate is an overall fraction of D.C.'s; yet the D.C.politicos INSIST it is Virginia firearms to blame for the slaughter on their streets. Now if we in Virginia are so damned awash in firearms, then one has to ask: what has D.C. got a lot more of than Northern Virginia?

    I ask this question a lot and the Libs always immediately accuse me of racism because they figure I am takling about Black folks.

    But what D.C.has more of than Northern Virginia is...............

    UNARMED VICTIMS RIPE FOR THE PICKING!!

    If only Congress could simply tell D.C. that they MUST honor out-of -D.C. Concealed Carry permits ANYWHERE (and ideally include the Federal parks, Mall, and tourist attractions) D.C. would INSTANTLY become MUCH safer, because we Virginians are of all races and ethnicities and we don't have a big 'V" branded on our foreheads. The mere presence of a person in D.C. would no longer be a reliable indicator that the person was an unarmed "soft target". And BTW as to the alleged "safety"of the national Mall (and other parks) a few years back several tourists were ROBBED and a young teenaged girl was RAPED IN FRONT OF HER FAMILY by gun-toting goons who had NO respect for D.C. Law, the supposed sanctity of the Natonal Mall, or even for common decency. Far from it. Yes, they all were eventually arrested and are being severely punished. THE GOD DAMNED IDIOT LAWS CANNOT UN-RAPE THAT GIRL AND CANNOT UN-TRAUMATIZE HER FAMILY OR THE OTHER VICTIMS. Can you imagine her whimpering "Daddy please help!"- and Daddy couldn't help BECAUSE THE STUPID F&^KING lLAW PREVENTED IT. Common sense??? I gotcha common sense! RIGHT HERE!!!!

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    But what D.C.has more of than Northern Virginia is...............

    UNARMED VICTIMS RIPE FOR THE PICKING!!
    What DC has, along with every othercrime/drug infestedarea, is a large number of irresponsible co-conspirators benefiting financially from the ill gotten gains of criminal activity.

    They don't want the law abiding citizens to be armed because it substantiallyincreases thechances thattheir little "pookie" moneymaker might get shot.

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    As soon as I saw that theIllinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence was involved in thissupposed"poll" I stopped reading. The ICPGV is just like the Brady Bunch, 100%+ lies.

    I would'nt believe these anti groups if they told me that water is wet and the sun rises in the east.
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    The only common sense gun law I have ever seen is: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
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