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    Hey guys i was visiting some friends up in long beach. I informed them of open carry, and were very receptive of it. 3 open carried and the 4th did not. Went to iHop with no one questioning us until we left. The three of us that left while the 4th non carry payed was questioned if the guns were real. She infromed them yeah. They didnt believe her. They kept asking her what branch of gov't we were and she toldthe staff memberswe were unloaded. She finally was fed up with them not believing her she told them we were her bodyguards and she was in the secret service program. their eyes got real big as she walked out. I took point walking back to the car and the other two walked behind her and i noticed as we walked around the building to our car i saw faces staring back at us. She then told me the story. We all laughed.

    We went to Office Space so the other two guys would have a tape recorder. they picked up Sony P620. the manager was extremely polite and helpful. no issues.

    We then walked across the street to Turner's Outdoorsman. I walked to the back counter and told them " i am a civilian and it it your policy to inspect our handguns. would you like to inspect them?" they did and we reholstered. No issues until we started walking out when Indy was confronted and was told it was "sorta-legal " what he was doing and further stated that county laws superceeded state laws and we would totaly get arrested. I pulled Indy out of the store and we walked away.



    We then procceded to Quarterman's, which is a LEO and Security Officer store. There were to LEO's inside that didnt bother us while we shopped. I purchased a SERPA for my 1911 and love it!

    Our final trip was to the grocery store where i waited outside. An African American approached me and asked about my gun.I was very informal with him as i did not want ot tell him too much as he proceed to tell me he has a 9mm and a 45 glock and a chrome shotgun. "thug life" as he called it and his "ghetto" as he called it he had too.He was intrigued i was open carrying but posedno immediate threat to me. He was nice but i wasnt about to let my guard down. He asked if he could hold it too.

    Noincidents, no arrests, no cops talking to us. It was a good long day hanging out in Long Beach as i now have 2 buddies to OPen Carry out here.

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    Hot Diggity Daffodil!

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    i truly hope you did not let him hold it......and tell you all about his stolen glocks........this is the reason why there is such a negative view on firearms in general in this country. the whole "thug life" way people want to live, its ridiculous.



    On a better note, sounds like a good outing! Great job educating your friends enough to feel confident in excercising their right to OC. I hope they stick with it!

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    oilfieldtrash11 wrote:
    i truly hope you did not let him hold it......and tell you all about his stolen glocks........this is the reason why there is such a negative view on firearms in general in this country. the whole "thug life" way people want to live, its ridiculous.



    On a better note, sounds like a good outing! Great job educating your friends enough to feel confident in excercising their right to OC. I hope they stick with it!
    Hell no he didn't let the bugger touch it!



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    I have said it before, and will say it again. . . touching my gun is like touching my wife. Unless I give you permission, you better not touch either!

    I sometimes get a little uneasy at the questions asked only because some people that ask are a little shady.

    But I have not been OC for some time...because of this legal thing. I can't wait until its over. . . You think being unloaded on your hip is useless...try taking it out of a locked container first!

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    Where are you or where did you open carry in long beach?



    I open carry every day in long beach and the signal hill area.



    we should have a meet up sometime, maybe go somewhere for a lunch or dinner... I've tried to convince all my friends to arm themselves and carry for self protection....

    But they all voted for Obama and are the regular "Weed is Good, Guns are Bad" liberals.



    I'd love to meet some like minded people in my area so lemme know whats goin on.



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    I live over in Costa Mesa... Just a stone's throw away! We should organized an Orange County OC meetup.

    Let's just not go to a Regal Cinemas... Apparently they have a strict no-guns policy. Even applies to LEOs. I would dislike being an officer and responding to a call there... "Yeah, I'd love to come in and help but... Your company does not allow anyone with firearms in. Can you tell the bad guy(s) to come out here?"
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    eraseallhope wrote:
    Where are you or where did you open carry in long beach?



    I open carry every day in long beach and the signal hill area.



    we should have a meet up sometime, maybe go somewhere for a lunch or dinner... I've tried to convince all my friends to arm themselves and carry for self protection....

    But they all voted for Obama and are the regular "Weed is Good, Guns are Bad" liberals.



    I'd love to meet some like minded people in my area so lemme know whats goin on.

    I live near downtown Long Beach and prefere to OC with other people. So call me up 562-234-7886

    By the way Indy and I split up from Mykal and went into Albertsons and this lady was all smiles and "How you doing officers and then are you officers (with a big smile)" Indie said Nope with a smile then I said no with a smile and her smile amusingly faded

    But it was all good. Was hilarious buying 2 cases of beer, 1 bottle of some weird liquar and a 6 pack of Amber Brok or something like that and having a .45 semi hahahaha :celebrate

    I think the larger the group of open carriers the better. Also Mykal's situation is a bit on the scarry side given the types that hang near that place. But you have two or three open carrys and uhhhhh you would have to be pretty high on crack to mess with that .

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    Our third experience we headed to Carrows in Cerritos. Only Indy was carrying. Long story short (hopefully he will post his soon). He was pulled out of Carrows by three officers, put in the back of the squad car, one of two there; and they took his ID, and checked the serial number on his handgun. While 2 more vehicles pulled up, one being a Sergant.

    While he was being detained, i walked outside to make sure they weren't going to drive him down town. This is where OfficerPeters(I beleive, she was the blonde Officer)and Officer Escobedo(Male,black haired Officer) watched me watch Indy.

    Officer Peters Kept walking behind me, and reading my texts. I believe she was trying to intimidate me, while i kept an eye on 2 other officers inspecting Indy's firearm. Officer Peters kept trying to get information from me and all i gave her was my 1st name. She tried to have 'small talk' and i wouldnt have any of it.

    No i didnt have my recorder on because it was dead, which is why i did not carry. Officer Atkins apporached me and asked for my full name and ID, i asked if i was being detained. He Stated Yes. i had him state it twice for clarification then i procceded to ask why . He state because i was with Indy. I was not aware i could be guilty of nothing for knowing someone. so i gave him my full name and date of birth. I really didnt have my ID. I didnt give him my address and he wanted to know where i worked and i didnt give him either. Then Officer Atkins walks away from me left me without any officers there and i had to shout " am i free to go?" he said yeah yeah with his back turn to me.

    I tried to get the conversation recored by calling someones cell but it didnt go through for some reason. oh well.


    After the Fiasco, i went back in to talk to the manager, Sandy. She said it was making the customers uncomfortable, so they called the police. He is welcome back just with no firearm. I grabbed her business card and left Cerrritos.

    Overall Officer Atkins was being a hardass, Officer Peters try to intimidate me and when that didnt work she tried the buddy-buddy thing, Officer Escobedo, talked little until we talked about CCW and he seemed to be Pro-Gun and understood we could not get a CCW. The Sergant (female, never got her name) never approached me, but she looked pissed. And the other officer looked a little on the overweight side couldnt figure out how to check a single action 22 revolver. It seemed he didnt even know how to operate the camera they took photos of Indy's handgun.

    Time spent was about an hour.


    Edit: We took the 91 to get there and the 605 to get out.

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    make a complaint and talk to an attorney

    As for any school zone, you were on private property (that doesn't mean a DA can't make a mistake).

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    The one in the car is Offcier Atkins, Left is Escobedo, Right is Peters(i believe).





    Indy is in the back



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    They look pretty board. Next time guys just clear the call after the "e" check and you're 10-8 without the raised risk of a US Code 42 section 19834th Amendment suit and your picture all over the net.



    And take a hint from the boys (and lady) in blueofSan Diego PD!:

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    My other friend said by the time they came out to meet us there were 6 cars in total, 2 officers per car.



    edit: to add the amount of officers

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    Mykal wrote:
    My other friend said by the time they came out to meet us there were 6 cars in total, 2 officers per car.



    edit: to add the amount of officers
    Guess they wanted to get in on the training experience. Seriously talk to a civil rightsattorney. The1 hour detention is about 59 min. too long under current law. You'll probably only get $1 dollar out of a Fed. Judge but the attorney will get his fees.

    Not that you want to sue as I'm sure everyone here would rather be left alone.

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    I have wondered what someones personal liability is if they call the cops for MWG?

    If someone calls the police, say the Carrows' people admitted they called, can you sue them for the damages since they did not ask you to leave and instead defamed your character and violated your civil rights causing damages?

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    Theseus wrote:
    I have wondered what someones personal liability is if they call the cops for MWG?
    None, except perhaps maybe or IF knowingly false information was related and you suffered some damages as a result of that information.

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    Does still having to pay for the meal, take it to go and eating it cold( which i just ended up throwing away anyways) count?Because he was banned from entering the property according to the officers.

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    No, don't sweat the small stuff. Whathe wantshis $12.09 back? Look into the rights violation if any and decide what you guys want to do.

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    I am waiting on Indy to upload the sound file. We will review his conversation.

    My only issue i had was being detained just because i 'knew' Indy, and he used that as an excuse to ID me. Other than that Officer Peter said the reason they were doing a serial number check was because "if it was stolen we would want to return it to it's rightful owner, if your gun was stolen wouldnt you want it returned to you?".

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    I open carry in Santa Clara county ( no LEO encounters yet ). I'd love to listen to the audio. (PM me)

    I have a lot of experience interacting with LEO from growing up in Tucson. The only way I learned was just repeated exposure. Over time I learned my rights and slowly worked on keeping my cool and not allowing them to get me worked up, and in turn controlling the tempo of the situation.

    Reviewing other's encounters helps me prepare for the questioning and language LEOs use.

    Nice to see you not comply with all of the officer's questioning, when the pressures on I know it's tough

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    Mykal wrote:
    My only issue i had was being detained just because i 'knew' Indy, and he used that as an excuse to ID me. Other than that Officer Peter said the reason they were doing a serial number check was because "if it was stolen we would want to return it to it's rightful owner, if your gun was stolen wouldnt you want it returned to you?".
    I would be tempted to ask, "What facts can you articulate that would lead a reasonable person to believe the property is stolen?In Terry v Ohio, the court states that you can't seize my person or property unless you have reason to believe a crime has/will be committed."
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    Sent an e-mail to Carrow's corporate complaint department with the subject "Here's your chance to earn back my business."

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    To Whom It May Concern:

    It has come to my attention that the staff of your restaurant in Cerritos, CA recently called police on a law-abiding customer resulting in his being detained for an hour. The customer was also told that he was never allowed to return - I can only assume the cops were following the manager's request. The staff of the restuarant apparently didn't like the fact that the patron was lawfully carry an exposed firearm. The firearm remained holstered (until police took it for inspection), and no laws were broken.

    The actions of the police department are not the legal liability of Carrows, and those actions will be answered for if/when a federl lawsuit is filed. However, I feel that Carrows is ethically liable for instigating the police contact. California is currently in an educational/transitional state where law enforcement, as well as private citizens and companies, are learning to accept the lawful carry of firearms that is taken for granted in the vast majority of the nation.

    I am very disappointed that this happened. I hope it was the rogue actions of the local staff, and not due to corporate policy. It is enfuriating to hear of a law-abiding citizen being harassed at the whim of the business they are patronizing. I am sure central management will be equally dismayed to hear what happened, and I hope corrective action will be taken.

    As a civil rights activist, and California "state researcher" for OpenCarry.org, I must set an example by boycotting your business until I have satisfactory assurance that this will not happen again. At that time, I will gladly encourage my fellow activists to give you their patronage. In order to be satisfied, I ask that you answer the following questions:

    1. Is it the policy of Carrows to discriminate against persons exercising their second amendment right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self defense?
    2. What actions does Carrows intend to take in order to prevent further discrimination against its patrons?
    3. We often have 'meetups' where we socialize and discuss current events. Would Carrows discriminate against a large group wishing to enjoy Carrows food while discussing and engaging in lawful carry of firearms?
    Please be aware that this e-mail, and any response you provide, will be shared on a public internet forum located on www.OpenCarry.org. I do not work for the owners of the OpenCarry.org web site, and the views I state here do not necessarily represent them or their views.

    I eagerly await your response.

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    A FANTASTIC letter!

    There are three misspellings and one non-hyphened phrase, however:

    restuarant s/b restaurant

    federl s/b federal

    enfuriating s/b infuriating

    self defense s/b self-defense

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    BB62 wrote:
    A FANTASTIC letter!

    There are three misspellings and one non-hyphened phrase, however:

    restuarant s/b restaurant

    federl s/b federal

    enfuriating s/b infuriating

    self defense s/b self-defense
    Thanks for pointing that out. I guess my browser's built-in spell-check doesn't work in my e-mail java interface. I'll start using the java spell-check utility...
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