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    SAMSON, Ala. (AP) - Authorities say at 10 people have been shot and killed in two south Alabama towns, including the gunman.

    The Alabama Department of Safety says at least four shootings by a single gunman left at least nine people dead before he killed himself.

    The department says in a statement that the shootings began late Tuesday afternoon in Samson. The shooter killed five people in one home and one each in two other homes.

    The gunman then shot at a state trooper's car, striking the vehicle seven times and wounding the trooper with broken glass.

    Police pursued him to Reliable Metal Products just north of Geneva, where he fired an estimated 30 rounds.

    The statement says the gunman then went in the business and shot himself.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
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    SAMSON, Ala. (AP) - Authorities say at 10 people have been shot and killed in two south Alabama towns, including the gunman.

    The Alabama Department of Safety says at least four shootings by a single gunman left at least nine people dead before he killed himself.

    The department says in a statement that the shootings began late Tuesday afternoon in Samson. The shooter killed five people in one home and one each in two other homes.

    The gunman then shot at a state trooper's car, striking the vehicle seven times and wounding the trooper with broken glass.

    Police pursued him to Reliable Metal Products just north of Geneva, where he fired an estimated 30 rounds.

    The statement says the gunman then went in the business and shot himself.

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    The perp apparently burned his mother's house and killed her(can't get in house-don't know if shot or burned. Then he went and killed his grandmother, granddaddy(who had raised him), an aunt and an uncle. Then he went on to kill a woman at a convenience store, a County Deputy's wife and her child and another person . He wounded several others including another child, a State Trooper and a local Police Chief. He later went to a location where he allegedly worked(at least at one time) where he killed himself. I don't know how many weapons he might have used but the only reference I have seen so far is to a rifle.

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    GENEVA, Alabama (CNN) -- The gunman responsible for the deadliest crime in Alabama's history worked briefly as a police officer in the small town of Samson, which was hardest hit by Tuesday's deadly rampage, authorities said Wednesday.

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    GENEVA, Alabama (CNN) -- The gunman responsible for the deadliest crime in Alabama's history worked briefly as a police officer in the small town of Samson, which was hardest hit by Tuesday's deadly rampage, authorities said Wednesday.

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    He didn't complete the training so he was not a policeman even if he worked with the department. I hope everyone doesn't judge your profession by you.

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    I don't know how many weapons he might have used but the only reference I have seen so far is to a rifle.
    McLendon was armed with two assault rifles, an SKS and a Bushmaster, using high-capacity magazines taped together; a shotgun; and a .38-caliber handgun. Believed that he fired in excess of 200 rounds during the assaults.

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    High capacity mags would be hard to tape together methinks. Oh, wait.. you mean 20-30rnd mags?

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    cvickers wrote:
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    GENEVA, Alabama (CNN) -- The gunman responsible for the deadliest crime in Alabama's history worked briefly as a police officer in the small town of Samson, which was hardest hit by Tuesday's deadly rampage, authorities said Wednesday.

    I'm here to help!
    He didn't complete the training so he was not a policeman even if he worked with the department. I hope everyone doesn't judge your profession by you.
    My profession doesn't have complete control over you

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    cvickers wrote:
    ImFromTheGovernmentAndImHereToHelp wrote:
    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03...ree/index.html

    GENEVA, Alabama (CNN) -- The gunman responsible for the deadliest crime in Alabama's history worked briefly as a police officer in the small town of Samson, which was hardest hit by Tuesday's deadly rampage, authorities said Wednesday.

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    He didn't complete the training so he was not a policeman even if he worked with the department. I hope everyone doesn't judge your profession by you.
    My profession doesn't have complete control over you
    You must be a bad boy then. In my 50+ years Law Enforcement has never had complete control over me.

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    cvickers wrote:
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    cvickers wrote:
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    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03...ree/index.html

    GENEVA, Alabama (CNN) -- The gunman responsible for the deadliest crime in Alabama's history worked briefly as a police officer in the small town of Samson, which was hardest hit by Tuesday's deadly rampage, authorities said Wednesday.

    I'm here to help!
    He didn't complete the training so he was not a policeman even if he worked with the department. I hope everyone doesn't judge your profession by you.
    My profession doesn't have complete control over you
    You must be a bad boy then. In my 50+ years Law Enforcement has never had complete control over me.
    wrong, they have it, they just haven't used it.

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    cvickers wrote:
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    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03...ree/index.html

    GENEVA, Alabama (CNN) -- The gunman responsible for the deadliest crime in Alabama's history worked briefly as a police officer in the small town of Samson, which was hardest hit by Tuesday's deadly rampage, authorities said Wednesday.

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    He didn't complete the training so he was not a policeman even if he worked with the department. I hope everyone doesn't judge your profession by you.
    cvickers, some PDs allow persons to be hired, sworn, and actually work as street cops before they graduate from the state's academy. For example, in NM I think they have up to a year to complete the academy. In the meantime, they are on the street, arresting perps, making car stops, answering calls for service, etc.

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    wyor wrote:
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    ImFromTheGovernmentAndImHereToHelp wrote:
    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03...ree/index.html

    GENEVA, Alabama (CNN) -- The gunman responsible for the deadliest crime in Alabama's history worked briefly as a police officer in the small town of Samson, which was hardest hit by Tuesday's deadly rampage, authorities said Wednesday.

    I'm here to help!
    He didn't complete the training so he was not a policeman even if he worked with the department. I hope everyone doesn't judge your profession by you.
    cvickers, some PDs allow persons to be hired, sworn, and actually work as street cops before they graduate from the state's academy. For example, in NM I think they have up to a year to complete the academy. In the meantime, they are on the street, arresting perps, making car stops, answering calls for service, etc.
    I understand that. However, if the reports are true and he was dismissed within a month, hedid not even have a goodstart ona training program. I don't see how you you could call him a policeman unless your purpose is to degrade policemen.

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    Did anyone see the interview on CNN's web site where the sheriff continually refers to the SKS as both an 'AK-47' and a 'fully automatic machine gun'. ? He also said the shooter fired up to '18 shots at one time' and that the guns caused a lot of damage because he was 'shooting high-capacity rounds' through the rifles...WTF ???

    What in the high holy goat-effing googly-moogly is a 'high-capactity round' of ammunition ?

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    It's a firearm that shoots ~5x5 matrix of cartridges loaded with flash memory, hence the 'high capacity' (high capacity for a bullet anyways, most don't have memory at all).

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    Did anyone see the interview on CNN's web site where the sheriff continually refers to the SKS as both an 'AK-47' and a 'fully automatic machine gun'. ? He also said the shooter fired up to '18 shots at one time' and that the guns caused a lot of damage because he was 'shooting high-capacity rounds' through the rifles...WTF ???

    What in the high holy goat-effing googly-moogly is a 'high-capactity round' of ammunition ?
    'Ever get the idea that those who are s'posed to know what they're talkin' about DON'T? A 7.62x39mm round is an intermediate cartridge at best. They throw around this verbiage 'n nomenclature 'cause it sounds good... without the foggiest idea whatinhell they're saying.

    I'm sorry 10 people are dead on account of a maniac... but there are some things beyond prevention.

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    Shooting Spree Leaves Alabama EMT/Firefighter Without Wife, Son and Two Family Members

    Lance Griffin
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    Mar. 13--SAMSON -- It was going to be a great weekend for the Wise family.

    Murray and Tracy Wise would have celebrated their 18th anniversary on Sunday. Their simple, private celebration may have included pleasant memories of the past 18 years such as their last family vacation to Gatlinburg, or all the way back to 1990, when Tracy quit school in the 10th grade to marry the man she loved.

    For Murray and his 15-year-old son, Dean, the weekend would extend into Monday, the first day of turkey season.

    Fund Established
    According to WTVY, Murray was a volunteer with the Samson Rescue Squad as well as the local fire department. The squad set up a special account at: Samson Banking Company Inc., 2 West Main St, Samson, AL 36477.For more information about the fund, you can contact Melissa Stinson at 334-248-3663.


    They loved to hunt. Even before Dean was old enough to hunt, father and son would go into the woods, sit and watch. They would try to remain quiet, but sometimes Dean and Murray would talk about Alabama football. A full day without a deer or turkey kill was never a wasted day for the two.

    But Murray Wise is planning funerals today instead of anniversary celebrations and hunting trips and wondering why a crazed gunman would take away his family.

    Wise stood outside his home Thursday afternoon, less than 30 yards from where Michael McLendon shot and killed his wife and son Tuesday in a crazed killing spree. He said he can still stand only because of the prayers of friends and strangers. Still, he literally clings to his sisters for support.

    "The 15 years I had with my son and the 18 years I had with Tracy were good, but I need more," he said.

    "I'm lost without (Tracy). She kept me alive."

    Tracy Wise was simply known as "Tator" to the Samson community, and everyone knew her. To Murray, Tator had the strongest will in southeast Alabama. After quitting school in the 10th grade, she acquired her GED and put herself through law school at the University of Alabama. She later became the town's magistrate and struck fear into the hearts of the town's lawbreakers.

    "People were afraid of her if they had to go in front of her because they knew she would put them in jail," Murray Wise said.

    Murray Wise was working just below the state line in Florida on Tuesday when he received the call that buckled his knees and crushed his world.

    "I just broke down," he said. "I couldn't stand up."

    He will bury his wife and son Tuesday in Samson. He plans to establish a scholarship fund in the name of Dean Wise for deserving local students.

    "I want their names to be in this community for as long as I'm around," he said.

    http://www.wtvynews4.com/home/headlines/41175937.html

    Samson Man Grieves the Loss of Four Family Members

    One Samson man who lost his wife and son in Tuesday’s tragic shootings tries to come to grips with his loss. The community is coming together to do whatever it can to support him.

    Murray Wise gave his spare time helping save lives.

    Now he's grieving over the loss of lives and promising to find a way to for all to remember them.

    Wise says, “It's been the most difficult thing in my life, to lose my son and my wife, all in a matter of seconds.”

    Murray Wise's wife and son were gunned down by Michael Mclendon on a porch just down the road. During the murderous rampage, Wise's father in law and his wife's grandmother were killed too. He says his loss has been unbearable.

    Wise says, “That’s my beautiful wife right there.”

    Traci left school in tenth grade to be with Murray. She got her GED and a law degree and was a magistrate in town. Together they had a son, their only child.

    “and Dean, lord, he was one and only. Loved his deer hunting, loved his Alabama football.”

    Murray volunteers his time on the Samson rescue squad and with the fire department. Members of the rescue squad set up a special fund account in his name.

    Stinson says, “We are a close family and Murray was one of our own and so his family was ours too.”

    The streets of Samson are quiet today as folks try to cope with the tragedy. City officials say the town will never be the same.

    King says, “I think it makes people realize we're not immune to events like this.”

    Only time will tell how this small town will heal after one man's murderous rampage.

    Funeral arrangements have been set four all four family members.

    A viewing will be held at the First Baptist Church in Samson on Monday from 5 to 8 p.m.

    The funeral will be held Tuesday at 11:00 at the First Baptist Church.

    The special fund will be located at the Samson Banking Company Inc., 2 West Main St, Samson, AL 36477.

    Murray says a portion of the funds will be allocated to a scholarship in his son's memory.

    For more information about the fund, you can contact Melissa Stinson at 334....

    http://www.wtvynews4.com/home/headlines/41244142.html

    Town Comedian Hailed As Hero in Alabama Killings

    SAMSON, Ala. (AP) - Bruce Maloy was known as Samson's town
    comedian who was always boasting about hitting it big someday.

    Now, Maloy is emerging as a hero.

    On Friday, witnesses and authorities said Maloy, the 10th and
    final victim of Tuesday's shooting rampage by Michael McLendon,
    tried to end the violence with his beat-up old pickup truck.

    With gunshots still echoing through downtown Samson, Maloy
    chased McLendon's dark red Mitsubishi out of town and rammed the
    vehicle at least once. Geneva County Chief Deputy Tony Helms says
    Maloy may have given police time to catch up to McLendon.

    The killer shot the 51-year-old welder to death at a lonesome
    spot on Alabama 52 before eluding police in Geneva and killing
    himself with a single gunshot to the head.

    http://www.wtvynews4.com/home/headlines/41232877.html

    Victim of Samson shooting may have saved others
    Posted: 5:27 PM Mar 13, 2009
    Last Updated: 5:27 PM Mar 13, 2009
    Reporter: Vanessa Araiza
    Email Address: vanessa@wtvy.com


    Mayor Clay King says 51-year old Bruce Malloy may have saved many lives while giving his own.

    King says Michael McLendon stopped at the Ace Hardware on Main Street and continued to shoot.

    Malloy approached McLendon from behind with his vehicle, possibly causing him to keep driving.

    Malloy then followed him to Geneva on Highway 52, that's when he rammed McLendon's vehicle.

    King says that gave officers extra time to catch up and most likely saved more lives.

    Maloy's funeral service will be Wednesday at 11 a.m. in the Chapel of Ppittman Funeral Home in Samson.
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    Guns Save Lives. Paramedics Save Lives. But...
    Paramedics With Guns Scare People!

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    cvickers wrote:
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    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03...ree/index.html

    GENEVA, Alabama (CNN) -- The gunman responsible for the deadliest crime in Alabama's history worked briefly as a police officer in the small town of Samson, which was hardest hit by Tuesday's deadly rampage, authorities said Wednesday.

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    He didn't complete the training so he was not a policeman even if he worked with the department. I hope everyone doesn't judge your profession by you.
    when all you seem have at hand are bad apples--it makes you want to toss out the entire barrel.

    Are they all bad--no. Is it next to impossible to trust any of them--yes, because of too much citizen mistreatment..

    but that is now what this thread is about.

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    and the gun grabbers will use this tragedy, stepping on top of the bodies of the dead even as they do so, in order to push their agenda of more gun control--and in particular another "AWB"...and it just cuts against my grain to even use the term "assault weapon" when speaking of a semi-auto rifle...

    police carry "Assault weapons", because they are select fire weapons..why not ban their "assault weapons" and put them on a level playing field with other people and leave the citizens alone and put them to using the same semi-auto rifles we have access to....

    citizens do not own "assault weapons"--citizens own SEMI-AUTO rifles and handguns....there IS a difference....

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    and the gun grabbers will use this tragedy, stepping on top of the bodies of the dead even as they do so, in order to push their agenda of more gun control--and in particular another "AWB"...and it just cuts against my grain to even use the term "assault weapon" when speaking of a semi-auto rifle...

    police carry "Assault weapons", because they are select fire weapons..why not ban their "assault weapons" and put them on a level playing field with other people and leave the citizens alone and put them to using the same semi-auto rifles we have access to....

    citizens do not own "assault weapons"--citizens own SEMI-AUTO rifles and handguns....there IS a difference....
    You really have something against LEOs don't you?

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    suntzu wrote:
    and the gun grabbers will use this tragedy, stepping on top of the bodies of the dead even as they do so, in order to push their agenda of more gun control--and in particular another "AWB"...and it just cuts against my grain to even use the term "assault weapon" when speaking of a semi-auto rifle...

    police carry "Assault weapons", because they are select fire weapons..why not ban their "assault weapons" and put them on a level playing field with other people and leave the citizens alone and put them to using the same semi-auto rifles we have access to....

    citizens do not own "assault weapons"--citizens own SEMI-AUTO rifles and handguns....there IS a difference....
    You really have something against LEOs don't you?
    actually, while it may sound I do--no I don't. I simply get sick and tired of the semi-auto rifles that the average citizen has access to being equated in the same breath with the select-fire weapons that the police use. The average, every day person does not own an "assault weapon". People should get their facts straight before intentionally trying to inflame the public against the Second Amendment.

    I'm just don't like abuse of power, and never have. But personally--no, I have nothing against law enforcement. The only thing I have a problem with is when they abuse and mistreat the people and then hide behind a wall of silence and seek to cover it up--abuse is something everyone should have a problem with.

    There are good police officers, I have never said otherwise--but the bad ones make it impossible to trust any of them. This is a sad truth in our world today.

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    suntzu wrote:
    acrimsontide wrote:
    suntzu wrote:
    and the gun grabbers will use this tragedy, stepping on top of the bodies of the dead even as they do so, in order to push their agenda of more gun control--and in particular another "AWB"...and it just cuts against my grain to even use the term "assault weapon" when speaking of a semi-auto rifle...

    police carry "Assault weapons", because they are select fire weapons..why not ban their "assault weapons" and put them on a level playing field with other people and leave the citizens alone and put them to using the same semi-auto rifles we have access to....

    citizens do not own "assault weapons"--citizens own SEMI-AUTO rifles and handguns....there IS a difference....
    You really have something against LEOs don't you?
    actually, while it may sound I do--no I don't. I simply get sick and tired of the semi-auto rifles that the average citizen has access to being equated in the same breath with the select-fire weapons that the police use. The average, every day person does not own an "assault weapon". People should get their facts straight before intentionally trying to inflame the public against the Second Amendment.

    I'm just don't like abuse of power, and never have. But personally--no, I have nothing against law enforcement. The only thing I have a problem with is when they abuse and mistreat the people and then hide behind a wall of silence and seek to cover it up--abuse is something everyone should have a problem with.

    There are good police officers, I have never said otherwise--but the bad ones make it impossible to trust any of them. This is a sad truth in our world today.
    While I agree that there are some bad LEOs,(I have seen several myself who acted as if they were tougher than Navy Seals) most LEOs are just trying to do a difficult job. When I run into one of them who act as if they are above the rest of the world, I try to remember that there are good and bad school teachers, good and bad store clerks, good and bad sales people, well you get the idea. The people in LE are the same as other professions, there are good and bad people in all walks of life.

    As for the "assault rifle" tag, I agree, most civilian do not own them. Most civilians on semi auto look alikes to assault rifles, not the real thing. I do not agree with the thinking that LEOs should not have them as they have many more opportunities to face danger than most of us, or should I say their odds are better of them having to face danger. For my, and most civilian, needs, the semis that we have are sufficient....besides with todays price of ammo many of us couldn't afford to shoot full autos anyway!!!! LOL

    As for not trusting LEOs, when troubles do arise, we seem to trust them enough to call 911.

    And for the record, I am not LEO

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    acrimsontide wrote:
    suntzu wrote:
    acrimsontide wrote:
    suntzu wrote:
    and the gun grabbers will use this tragedy, stepping on top of the bodies of the dead even as they do so, in order to push their agenda of more gun control--and in particular another "AWB"...and it just cuts against my grain to even use the term "assault weapon" when speaking of a semi-auto rifle...

    police carry "Assault weapons", because they are select fire weapons..why not ban their "assault weapons" and put them on a level playing field with other people and leave the citizens alone and put them to using the same semi-auto rifles we have access to....

    citizens do not own "assault weapons"--citizens own SEMI-AUTO rifles and handguns....there IS a difference....
    You really have something against LEOs don't you?
    actually, while it may sound I do--no I don't. I simply get sick and tired of the semi-auto rifles that the average citizen has access to being equated in the same breath with the select-fire weapons that the police use. The average, every day person does not own an "assault weapon". People should get their facts straight before intentionally trying to inflame the public against the Second Amendment.

    I'm just don't like abuse of power, and never have. But personally--no, I have nothing against law enforcement. The only thing I have a problem with is when they abuse and mistreat the people and then hide behind a wall of silence and seek to cover it up--abuse is something everyone should have a problem with.

    There are good police officers, I have never said otherwise--but the bad ones make it impossible to trust any of them. This is a sad truth in our world today.
    While I agree that there are some bad LEOs,(I have seen several myself who acted as if they were tougher than Navy Seals) most LEOs are just trying to do a difficult job. When I run into one of them who act as if they are above the rest of the world, I try to remember that there are good and bad school teachers, good and bad store clerks, good and bad sales people, well you get the idea. The people in LE are the same as other professions, there are good and bad people in all walks of life.

    As for the "assault rifle" tag, I agree, most civilian do not own them. Most civilians on semi auto look alikes to assault rifles, not the real thing. I do not agree with the thinking that LEOs should not have them as they have many more opportunities to face danger than most of us, or should I say their odds are better of them having to face danger. For my, and most civilian, needs, the semis that we have are sufficient....besides with todays price of ammo many of us couldn't afford to shoot full autos anyway!!!! LOL

    As for not trusting LEOs, when troubles do arise, we seem to trust them enough to call 911.

    And for the record, I am not LEO
    While I understand what you are saying--there are fundamental differences between law enforcement and school teachers, janitors, and so on.

    The biggest fundamental difference is this--the general public has not been known to shoot the general public and then toss down a knife, or plant narcotics on a person.

    The general public could not beat the living out of you and then claim you "resisted arrest"...

    So while I understand your point--there is a major difference.

    NOW, as for the "Assault rifle" thing. I made the statement that if the government wants to ban "assault rifles" then why not ban the REAL "assault rifle" and forbid the police from having them and make them resort to the semi-auto rifles that we have access too.....And I stand behind that 100%

    You seem to think that law enforcement faces more threats than joe average citizen...I would bring up Virginia Tech, and this recent shooting in Alabama as but two examples to demonstrate to you that anytime violence happens--it happens to the average ordinary, every day person walking down the street, or into your local retailer, or into your local university...
    The citizens are always the people on the front line when violence occurs--law enforcement is only reactionary, showing up after the violence is already over.

    So I disagree that law enforcement has a job that is inherently dangerous, because it isn't. Everyone just wishes you to believe so.

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    So I disagree that law enforcement has a job that is inherently dangerous, because it isn't. Everyone just wishes you to believe so.
    I'm sure you are correct. How could anyone think that responding to a domestic violence call, or an armedrobbery, or a bar fight, or making a traffic stop and walking up to a car window not really knowing what you will find, or a drug bust is an inherently dangerous job?

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    acrimsontide wrote:
    suntzu wrote:
    So I disagree that law enforcement has a job that is inherently dangerous, because it isn't. Everyone just wishes you to believe so.
    I'm sure you are correct. How could anyone think that responding to a domestic violence call, or an armedrobbery, or a bar fight, or making a traffic stop and walking up to a car window not really knowing what you will find, or a drug bust is an inherently dangerous job?
    I stand by what I said.

    So here goes. Take the number of law enforcement killed since 2001 and then compare it with the number of American soldiers, and Marines killed in Iraq during the same time. THEN take the number of police wounded or injured in the line of duty and compare it with the number of American military who has been wounded in Iraq during the same time period.

    Being a law enforcement officer is no more a dangerous job than working high rise construction. Law enforcement is no more a dangerous job than working in a coal mine.
    Law enforcement is no more a dangerous job than working in the majority of other jobs in this country--firefighting, wilderness fire fighting, heavy equipment operating, construction, being a bouncer in a bar, working as a body guard, being a nurse in a hospital who faces the dangers associated with being constantly around those who may be carrying infectious disease, or working around the manufacturing of fireworks, or working in demolitions, and in any number of other occupations, including simply getting behind the wheel of your car to go to work in the morning--especially in a major city.

    Yes they face dangers on the job--but no, the dangers they face are not any more of a serious threat than those faced by a soldier, or a fire fighter who rushes into burning buildings, or any number of other occupations.

    I'm not anti-law enforcement, but I don't think they are not special simply because of work they do, and their job is no more dangerous than mine--most people are just lead to believe that they have one of the more dangerous jobs in society--and they don't.

    Now can we get this thread back on topic please.



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    acrimsontide wrote:
    As for not trusting LEOs, when troubles do arise, we seem to trust them enough to call 911.

    And for the record, I am not LEO
    I trust my acquaintances at the local PD in my town.

    I'd call 911 so someone can come by to collect the body whether alive/cuffed or dead/cuffed. There is also the chance I might be wounded, so having an EMT take a look at my person is a good idea.

    There is a chance the criminal might burst in to a ball a flames... you never know... best have the fire department there as well.
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    My first reaction when there is a problem is to handle it myself. When I hear a noise outside the house at night, I grab my weapon and a flashlight and check it out.

    Last time I called 911, it was because a driver was acting strangely. The guy came flying down west Lakeshore drive at 90mph plus, lost control, crossed over the median, went into the woods on the other side, came back out, jumped the median again and kept on going. Traffic was backed up at the traffic light so he had to stop, when he did he got out and started beating himself in the head and shouting and running around. By the time I explained where we were to 911, he was back in his car, the light had turned green and we were on our way. I could even see a patrol car sitting at the cross street waiting to turn. I got my permit shortly after. Police are there to keep the honest people honest. You have to handle problems yourself.

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