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    Been going to school for armed security. We finally got to the fun stuff Friday, weapon qualifications!

    I scored a 95.5% with my Ruger P93 DAO 9mm and scored a 100% with my Smith&Wesson model 3000 12 guage. The only other person to score a 100% with the shotgun was a former NYC police officer, yep i was feelin darn proud bout that one.

    Considering my shotgun only has two pistol grips and no butt stock,lol, everyone else was using an 870 with full stock and fiber optic front sight. I had no butt stock and just a brass bead.

    Just felt like bragging a little.:celebrate

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    Good show!

    But why did you have to provide your own guns for DCJS training?

    Almost without exception (none that I know of) depts. and companies want you trained/qualified with their issue guns.

    Yata hey
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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Good show!

    But why did you have to provide your own guns for DCJS training?

    Almost without exception (none that I know of) depts. and companies want you trained/qualified with their issue guns.

    Yata hey
    Ever heard of the Richmond City Sheriff's Office? They make you provide your own gun.
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    ProShooter wrote:
    Grapeshot wrote:
    Good show!

    But why did you have to provide your own guns for DCJS training?

    Almost without exception (none that I know of) depts. and companies want you trained/qualified with their issue guns.

    Yata hey
    Ever heard of the Richmond City Sheriff's Office? They make you provide your own gun.
    I had no idea and it very much surprises me.

    Still standardization is the norm is it not and surely the dept. provides ammunition. I could see some problems with liability if they did not set some parameters and control some uniformity.

    In this case it would appear that the OP was using at least one gun that was very different from what the others were using. We all know the potential when non-standard weapons, ammo are inserted in the mix.

    What's next? Providing your own vehicle and who will maintain it and to what standard?

    Oh well, live and learn.

    PS - Actually I carried my own personal gun when I was active but had to load with issued junk. Yes I did have to qualify with it as well as dept. issue and it required special authorization.

    Yata hey
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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    I was in school for private armed security, and now I am just qualified with any 9mm semi auto and any 12 guage pump, I would not have to recertify simply using a different gun. The DCJS only wants you to use same caliber and action type, semi auto, revolver or pump but not DAO or single action specific.

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    Gosh, they had cars back in the 70's!

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    Well, sure, they had 426 Hemi engines, but not generally in police cars, which were equipped with 440 Police Interceptor engines. And the Hemi was gone after 1971; the 440 hung around until 1978.

    Mind you, in some Western states, some enterprising departments with good shade tree mechanics dropped Hemi and Six-Pack engines into their pursuit cars.

    Hey Sheriff, I've got a 73 Coronet 4 door; that bring back any memories?

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    I don't know what you guys are smokin'.

    Chevy Caprices were the finest police cars ever made!!



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    Sooooo....back to the OP's topic - I too finished my DCJS qual this Sunday, anddropped one round. And yes I took copious amounts of crap from my instructor who said he expected a perfect 300 from a Marine. He's retired Army, so the jarhead jokes were a'plenty. Good guy.

    I made my fiance, Peaches, take it with me because I figured she could use the training. She was a competition shooter backin high school, but tactical shooting is a whole different ball game.

    I made the mistake of telling the instructor about her former hobbyand he ended up betting anyone in the class that she would outshoot them. He didn't have any takers, but she was thoroughly embarassed. Hahaha. We had tickets to Shamrock Fest but she made me take her to the range to practice instead! Flush $45 tickets. But she did good. Out of a possible 300 she hit a 280. She wore her little pink t-shirt that says, "Why yes, I do shoot like a girl" and it has a bullseye with a tight group on it.

    She's in the market for a Sig 9mm, so if there are any sellers in NoVA out there let me know.

    Now I have to take the Advanced Handgun Course. I heard that course of fire is a b!tch to pass.

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    You going into personal protection? The advance course is expensive, I want to take it also, I just need to wait for funds,lol. I am gonna take my SCOP course next though.

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    So what do you guys plan to do with your DCJS training? Have you already been hired by a security firm, and they are paying for the training? Or are you getting the training first then trying to get a job? I'm just curious. For my CHP training I took an armed security guard firearms class and enjoyed it.

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    I took the course first and now need to find a job, well I don't "need" I am a stay at home dad that homeschools,I was thinking of doing some part time work just to have money for ammo and stuff, plus help with some bills. Plus I do volunteer work for the county, and serve as an election officer for the county,I just mainly want some spending money.

    Raising and homeschooling 3 kids is a full time job I can assure you but security sounds like an exciting field too.

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    Pagan wrote:
    I scored a 95.5% with my Ruger P93 DAO 9mm and scored a 100% with my Smith & Wesson model 3000 12 guage.
    Classic!

    I almost bought one of these new... I think it was back in the 1980s.



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    Yeah S&W sold the rights to the gun to Mossberg in the 80's and for a while was produced as the Mossberg M-3000. It is basically a metric version of the 870, made in Japan, it is decent I guess, does the job.

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    Pagan wrote:
    I took the course first and now need to find a job, well I don't "need" I am a stay at home dad that homeschools,I was thinking of doing some part time work just to have money for ammo and stuff, plus help with some bills. Plus I do volunteer work for the county, and serve as an election officer for the county,I just mainly want some spending money.

    Raising and homeschooling 3 kids is a full time job I can assure you but security sounds like an exciting field too.
    How long do you think it will take to recover the cost of the classes? I'm not exactly sure how much a job like that would pay. I have been thinking about doing the same as supplemental income. I haven't looked into it much past the training though.

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    Yeah, I just finished the PPS course. I've got my DCJS license and everything, just trying to get that Firearms Endorsement. The Advanced course is scheduled for April.

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    I can tell you that we've received a bunch of calls from folks asking if we do that training (we don't).

    I think people are going to flood the market here before longseeking personal protection type work.


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    Allthree classes I had to take to be Armed Security only cost me 230 bucks and 40 hours of my time. Should be a quick turn around, most armed guard jobsI see are offering between 12 and 20 bucks an hour. Depends on post and all.

    I am actually going to apply for a job tonight at a so called "gentelman's club" that is seeking "professional security" the wife does not like it much,lol, bu hey it is a start.



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    Sheriff wrote:
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    By the way, I never drove any Chevrolet Caprice that would do 155 mph to 160 mph right off the delivery truck. But a 1973 Plymouth Gran Fury I drove did. 155mph to 160 mph onInterstate 64 made it look about 15 feet wide. And the tires were not speed rated to what the car would actually do. Me and another deputy did it once, but we both agreed neither of us would ever do it again!!!
    Top end had more to do with the with the rear end - ring/pinion gear ratio - than with the motor. Much depended upon how they were ordered/specified on build request.

    The 426 hemi and 440 motors were very heavy and negatively effected handling so they were primarily straight line pursuit cars.

    IMO - the last great mega motors were built in 1970. After that compression ratio, timing, cam lift et al were much detuned resulting in horsepower and torque decline.

    Stock chassis, suspension and tires were not designed (even on most LE cars) to handle extreme high speeds. Takes some major mods and a really skilled driver to approach those limits.

    Yata hey
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    In the late '60s in Gloucester Co. a young man's father bought him a Dodge R/T 426 hemi w/4 speed - triple black. The very first day he owned it, he stopped and asked my if I'd like to go for a ride. Declined because there were already five in the vehicle and I needed to take care of some things.

    Ten minutes later all five were dead + two others in the car he hit head on while trying to pass on the old two lane Rt. 17. Never have forgotten what would have been except for an invisible hand on my shoulder stopping me.

    Yata hey
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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Isn't life funny? I have the same thoughts daily about how I might not have had my accident had I made other choices. But we live and learn. At least I got to live. So sad they didn't...glad you did!

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