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    HB 44 by Reps Lafonta, Hardy, and Stiaes appears to be a response to the Mardi Gras shootings in New Orleans, but goes way beyond the scope of those crimes.

    In a nutshell, it would ban the possession of guns by anyone other than LEO within 1000 feet of any public place where more than 50 people are present. Public places are then broadly defined to include almost anywhere except one's own property.

    The law contains exceptions for many of the usual exceptions, including historical re-enactors and people with Parish Concealed carry permits( NOT the same as the statewide permits that many people have). It also contains the exception for "any constitutionally protected activity which cannot be regulated by the state, such as a firearm contained entirely within a motor vehicle." That phrase, if taken at its most literal, should mean that it would not ban OC - which is a constitutionally protected activity; but it would still ban the people with CC licenses from carrying.

    One could rightly expect LEO not to see the subtlety in the law until such time as the Supreme Court rules against them.

    http://www.legis.state.la.us/billdat...asp?did=637526links you to the entire text, if you choose to read it.

    Write your reps and ask them to oppose this bill, as it is patently unconstitutional.

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    Will do.

    You think those Gang banging pieces of **** give a damnabout this dumbass law to begin with !?!?!? Those freaks would have shot eachother whether or NOT this law existed !

    Man this kinda stuff pisses me off !




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    Here's what I wrote Vitter.
    I completely Oppose HB 44, and encourage you to do the same. I view HB 44 completely unconstitutional, and a grave danger to our bill of RIGHTS, especially the second one. I hope you do to.

    Semper Fi

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    Well, you may have a point - after all it WAS already illegal for all of that shooting in the first place.

    Rep. Lafonta is in the same boat as Cedric Richmond (he of the perennial AWB); and I wouldn't expect him to mind at all that decent people would be disarmed and placed in harm's way by his little bill.

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    Dustin wrote:
    Here's what I wrote Vitter.
    I completely Oppose HB 44, and encourage you to do the same. I view HB 44 completely unconstitutional, and a grave danger to our bill of RIGHTS, especially the second one. I hope you do to.

    Semper Fi
    Perhaps I should have been more clear - this is a state bill, although having our US Senator on our side can't hurt.

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    XD-GEM wrote:
    Dustin wrote:
    Here's what I wrote Vitter.
    I completely Oppose HB 44, and encourage you to do the same. I view HB 44 completely unconstitutional, and a grave danger to our bill of RIGHTS, especially the second one. I hope you do to.

    Semper Fi
    Perhaps I should have been more clear - this is a state bill, although having our US Senator on our side can't hurt.
    Hopefully Vitter will put the pressure on them.



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    Who would be best to contact ?



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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    the very bozos proposing this particular bill, especially the sponsor.
    I wish it were that simple. Lafonta won't care - he's a gun banner like Cedric Richmond. The first step is to contact the members of the Criminal Justice Committee. http://house.louisiana.gov/H_Cmtes/H_CMTE_CJ.asp

    Fortunately, the Chairman of that committee is Ernest Wooton, sponsor of the Campus Carry legislation that did not pass last year. He is a friend of gun rights and is not likely to support this bill.

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    I contacted:








    Representative Juan A. LaFonta
    Democrat - District 96

    I wrote this:
    §11. Right to Keep and Bear Arms

    Section 11. The right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged, but this provision shall not prevent the passage of laws to prohibit the carrying of weapons concealed on the person.

    How does HB 44 Coincide with Article 1 Section 11 of the Louisiana Constitution?

    Criminals will never care about such laws, only law abiding citizens will. Who areyou really out to protect here?

    I look forward to the explanation.

    Semper Fi

    Might not be worth anything, but it sure does feels good.


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    XD-GEM wrote:
    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    the very bozos proposing this particular bill, especially the sponsor.
    I wish it were that simple. Lafonta won't care - he's a gun banner like Cedric Richmond. The first step is to contact the members of the Criminal Justice Committee. http://house.louisiana.gov/H_Cmtes/H_CMTE_CJ.asp

    Fortunately, the Chairman of that committee is Ernest Wooton, sponsor of the Campus Carry legislation that did not pass last year. He is a friend of gun rights and is not likely to support this bill.
    Done. I can bang out emails all day :celebrate

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    Here's my message sent to Rep. Wooton.


    To the Honorable Ernest D. Wooton; Sir, I write to express myurgent protest of House Bill No. 44, asput forth by Representatives Juan Lafonta, Rickey Hardy and Charmain M. Stiaes. This bill would turn law abiding citizens into criminals,merely for the act of carrying a firearm for the protection of themselves and families, while going about their lawful business. This bill would prohibit the carrying of a firearm for self defense, literally everywhere a person would normally go when doing everyday activities like shopping or dining! Sir, some would argue that the police are there to protect you but that is a fallacy. The courts have ruled that police have no responsibility to protect citizens as individuals. Therefore, it is up to each person to decide how best to ensure their own safety in an increasingly violent world. Many citizens, peaceful, law-abiding people, choose to carry a firearm to assert their right of self protection and HB 44 would seriously abrogate that right to do so. The Constitution of the State of Louisiana, Article 1, Section11 states: §11. Right to Keep and Bear Arms
    Section 11. The right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged, but this provision shall
    not prevent the passage of laws to prohibit the carrying of weapons concealed on the person. Please note this language from HB 44: A. Illegal possession or discharge of a firearm at a public gathering is the
    10 possession or discharge of a firearm within one thousand feet of any public place
    11 where fifty or more people are present at the time the firearm is possessed or
    12 discharged. The wording above is what makes the mere possession of a handgun for self defense by a peaceful, law abiding citizen an instant crime. I further quote HB 44: C. The provisions of this Section shall not apply to:
    6 (2) Any constitutionally protected activity which cannot be regulated by the
    7 state, such as a firearm contained entirely within a motor vehicle. The right to keep and bear arms by the citizens of Louisiana is a constitutionally protected right per Article 1 Sec 11 of the State Constitution, as quoted above. This fact alone should make HB 44 null and void! In addition to the fact thisbill completely ignores the constitutionally given right of a citizen to carry a handgun openly when about ones lawful business, it doesn't even make exceptions for those who posses a valid concealed handgun permit, people who have gone through the time, expense, required training and background checks to do so. I have no problem with the language in HB 44 that prohibits and/or makes a crime of DISCHARGE of a firearm at a public gathering. It is the language that criminalizes the mere possession of a firearm by those individuals who are presently able to posses and carry one legally that I object to.HB 44makes instant criminals out of regular citizens and does absolutely nothing to deter those who have no respect for law or the lives of others. Please notea quote from this 5 year study by the FBI, conducted byDr. Anthony Pinizzotto, clinical forensic psychologist, and Ed Davis, criminal investigative instructor, both with the Bureau’s Behavioral Science Unit, and Charles Miller III, coordinator of the LEOs Killed and Assaulted program. Called “Violent Encounters: A Study of Felonious Assaults on Our Nation’s Law Enforcement Officers.” it states in part: "Researcher Davis, in a presentation and discussion for the International Assn. of Chiefs of Police, noted that none of the attackers interviewed was “hindered by any law--federal, state or local--that has ever been established to prevent gun ownership. They just laughed at gun laws.” Sir, as the "Sportsman's Paradise", comfort with the possession and use of firearms by the majority of the law abiding voters of this state is a given. We heartily applaud the efforts of our legislators to bring due punishment down upon the heads of those who scoff at law and bring pain and sorrow to others, but we ask you sir, do not allowTHIS bill to become a law of our great state. Do not allow this instrument, the language of which does nothing to impede the desires of evil persons, to infringe upon the rights of the vast majority of Louisiana citizens, who wish only to go about their everyday business while enjoying their right to protect themselves and families.
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Him: "I carry my gun concealed"
    Me: "You're not very good at it"
    Him: "What do you mean?"
    Me: "I know you have a gun"
    End of conversation.

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    The server or something formats my email message differently than the way I wrote it, but it's all there.

    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Him: "I carry my gun concealed"
    Me: "You're not very good at it"
    Him: "What do you mean?"
    Me: "I know you have a gun"
    End of conversation.

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    Here we go.

    Valena M. Coco

    Legislative Assistant to Juan A. LaFontawrote me back with this.


    Good Morning Mr. Ducote,

    Please call my office so that we may talk about HB44.

    Yours Truly,

    Juan A. LaFonta

    District 96





    Valena M. Coco

    Legislative Assistant to

    Juan A. LaFonta

    State Representative

    District 96

    6305 Elysian Fields Avenue

    Suite 207A

    New Orleans, LA 70122

    504-282-0265

    Fax: 504-282-0821

    Hmm, What should I be prepared for/with ?


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    Apparently it was worth at least a little. Sounds like you have a good take on the problems. Seems if you just have this conversation while having this site available you will have all the answers you may need.

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    BTW, Great Job Turbo

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Not if, but when you get Juan's voicemail machine, please tell "it" Mark said "hello."
    We're big buddies.
    Sure thing

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    Here is an interesting post from a thread on this topic in BayouShooter.com posted by CCW of Thibodaux:

    I just received a call from Rep. LaFonta in New Orleans in response to my email to him yesterday. Needless to say, we agreed that we would not agree on the issue. I thought it was something that was introduced just to keep gun rights people busy. He is committed to trying to get it passed. I pointed out to him that it exempts parish CCW Permit holders and not statewide CCW Permit holders. He did say that he would make the change to exempt statewide permit holders.

    He also told me that there are additional ordinances in Orleans Parish that place additional restrictions on the statewide CCW Permit. I was not aware that local political subdivisions could override state law. Does anyone have any insight into this?

    It is time to contact your state representatives and senators and lobby strongly in opposition to this gun control legislation. Their email addresses and phone numbers can be found at http://www.legis.state.la.us/.

    We all need to take this very serious and do everything we can to stop this and other bills of this nature. Rep LaFonta is an attorney and presents his arguments well.
    Someone did respond about the pre-1985exclusion for state pre-emption, but no one knows for certain what laws he's referring to or when they were enacted.

    I'll say again that I feel certain that Rep Wooton, the chairman of the Criminal Justice Committee, will find a way to quash this thing in committee. He's been a stand-up guy for gun owners in the past. This does not mean to sit back and wait for that to happen. He'll have more clout knowing that many reps have felt the heat from their constiuents over this.

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Juan is an @#$%. Not a small @#$%, not a medium sized @#$%, but a GIANT @#$%.
    Finally managed to get His Highness on the phone, finally. What a ridiculous procedure THAT was.
    Here's what the Imperial Wizardary had to say.
    Instead of not introducing blatantly unconstitutional bills, if something as utterly stupid as HB 44 passes, we (meaning me and you) should reach deep down inside our pockets and spend our money to fight it in court.
    Then, in true politician form, he starts his crap about me calling his office, threatening his staff. This is how politicians work. If you refuse to go to voicemail, if you refuse to leave a name and a number and wait till the Saints win the Superbowl for a return call, they invent crimes to bring charges against you. In this case, HE threatened ME with prosecution at the hands of Jim Letten, the US attorney in New Orleans.
    THIS is what YOUR tax dollars are spent on. I can't wait for the next American revolution, hopefully it'll thin out his type and we can start over.
    What did he say he would charge you with?

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    Since I'm in the process of moving up to Tangi parish, I also email John Bel Edwards, the rep for the district I moving to.

    This was his reply:

    Thanks for contacting me about this important matter. I do not support the bill. It is well intentioned but misguided. I share your views. Feel free to contact me anytime you have a concern. Thanks again.
    Representative John Bel Edwards
    District 72, Louisiana House of Representatives
    225 NW Central Avenue
    Post Office Box 160
    Amite, Louisiana 70422
    Telephone: 985-748-2245 / 866-318-2480
    Facsimile: 985-748-2247

    I haven't heard from Wooton yet. But will forward his response if he does write back.

    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Him: "I carry my gun concealed"
    Me: "You're not very good at it"
    Him: "What do you mean?"
    Me: "I know you have a gun"
    End of conversation.

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Since His Majesty alleges I threatened his staff, he's got several options. Once he mentioned Jim Letten, another political hack/*****, it would be federal, whatever he's got in mind.
    The fact the entire conversation was monitored by The Barbwire and she could substantiate NO threats were made is immaterial. Truth means nothing to this kind. This is how political ****** deal with persons who DON'T sing their praises. Trust me.

    If any of us intentionally set out to violate the state constitution (and that is exactly what Juan is doing), we'd be wide open for charges being brought against us.
    But when one of THEM sets out to violate the state constitution, the BEST you can do is exert your time, energies and monies to try and defeat them.
    Is it just me, or does anyone else consider this to be hypocritical ?
    Did you record the conversation? Or rather, would it be legal to record such a conversation in LA? If so, what might effect might such a recording have on the mans reputation should it become available to the media...?

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    PavePusher wrote:
    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Since His Majesty alleges I threatened his staff, he's got several options. Once he mentioned Jim Letten, another political hack/*****, it would be federal, whatever he's got in mind.
    The fact the entire conversation was monitored by The Barbwire and she could substantiate NO threats were made is immaterial. Truth means nothing to this kind. This is how political ****** deal with persons who DON'T sing their praises. Trust me.

    If any of us intentionally set out to violate the state constitution (and that is exactly what Juan is doing), we'd be wide open for charges being brought against us.
    But when one of THEM sets out to violate the state constitution, the BEST you can do is exert your time, energies and monies to try and defeat them.
    Is it just me, or does anyone else consider this to be hypocritical ?
    Did you record the conversation? Or rather, would it be legal to record such a conversation in LA? If so, what might effect might such a recording have on the mans reputation should it become available to the media...?

    My understanding is that as long as one party to the conversation knows that it is being recorded it is legal.


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    Dustin wrote:
    I contacted:










    Representative Juan A. LaFonta
    Democrat - District 96


    I wrote this:
    §11. Right to Keep and Bear Arms

    Section 11. The right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged, but this provision shall not prevent the passage of laws to prohibit the carrying of weapons concealed on the person.

    How does HB 44 Coincide with Article 1 Section 11 of the Louisiana Constitution?

    Criminals will never care about such laws, only law abiding citizens will. Who areyou really out to protect here?

    I look forward to the explanation.

    Semper Fi

    Might not be worth anything, but it sure does feels good.
    He seems like a real POS!

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    Mark,

    I will have to check into it more, but I don't believe it is necessary to inform the second party that the phone conversation is being recorded. However, one would be advised to check this out themselves and don't rely on advice from the internet if they decide to record phone conversations that they are a part of.

    Aftera google search on "is it legal to record phone conversations in Louisiana", this is what I cameup with. http://www.pimall.com/nais/n.recordlaw.htmland others like it.

    Of course, knowing politicians, they may have there on set of laws regarding their phone conversations!

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    But, consider who elected Juan. They probably would agree with him, which explains why this country is in the mess it's already in.
    Sad...but true...

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    Only thing I see missing in the letter is a note that it was already against the law
    to have a pistol at the parrade. So what good is another law except to endanger
    more unarmed citizens. They could have been stopped sooner if everyone else
    wasn't already forced to folow that law.

    Anyone written Bobby J. about this yet? Let him use the pulpit to shame the
    criminals in the state house. Or at least call for a mandatory emergency if
    50 or more people gather together. Then the no disarming law comes into play.




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