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    So i was turning from Dixie Hwy in Florence tonight onto Turfway road when i saw blue lights behind me. So i pulled over and turned on the interior lights. i was kinda paranoid, this was the first time i'd been pulled over since purchasing my 9mm...
    I held my hands on the steering wheel until the officer approached and asked for my license, registration, and insurance. i told him that i had a loaded 9mm in the glovebox where the insurance and registration were located. He said ok, so i reached in and handed it to him. he asked if i had a permit to carry concealed and i told him no, id rather open carry. He said ok and walked to his car. Came back handed me my ticket for no seatbelt lol and said have a nice day. I've heard horror stories from friends getting pulled over who have permits and was kinda expecting a lot more. really glad it went over so well....

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    Sounds to me that you handled the situation perfectly. I have a permit to carry concealed Ive had one ever since KY started it. I still get nervious when i get pulled over.

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    Another thing even when im not carrying the police in my erea KNOW that i have a permit even before they ask for my drivers license . It must be in my records when they run my plate.

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    yeah, i'm sure it is... someone also told me that even though we don't register guns in kentucky that if we buy one from a dealer, the paper work we fill out does register it to you and they said that shows up when your name is ran... is that true?

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    Sounds like both the OP and the LEO handled things well. Gun was a non-issue, everyone was polite.
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    Another thing even when im not carrying the police in my erea KNOW that i have a permit even before they ask for my drivers license . It must be in my records when they run my plate.
    When your license plate info is ran, the computer that querries it is LINK. When your registration is ran, the operator's license of the registered owner is also querried. When the OL is querried, your CCDW info comes back. SO if you are driving your car, then yes, technically this is true. It's not attached to the plate, but to the OL.

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    yeah, i'm sure it is... someone also told me that even though we don't register guns in kentucky that if we buy one from a dealer, the paper work we fill out does register it to you and they said that shows up when your name is ran... is that true?
    No, absolutely not.

    No weapon info of any type is registered with the state. The only thing that comes back is the CCDW permit status.

    Of course, when we pull you over, and we get a CCDW status, we just assume that you have a weapon.

    But again, there is no handgun registration in KY.

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    kyboyy wrote:
    So i was turning from Dixie Hwy in Florence tonight onto Turfway road when i saw blue lights behind me. So i pulled over and turned on the interior lights. i was kinda paranoid, this was the first time i'd been pulled over since purchasing my 9mm...
    I held my hands on the steering wheel until the officer approached and asked for my license, registration, and insurance. i told him that i had a loaded 9mm in the glovebox where the insurance and registration were located. He said ok, so i reached in and handed it to him. he asked if i had a permit to carry concealed and i told him no, id rather open carry. He said ok and walked to his car. Came back handed me my ticket for no seatbelt lol and said have a nice day. I've heard horror stories from friends getting pulled over who have permits and was kinda expecting a lot more. really glad it went over so well....
    Yes, this is EXACTLY how this should be done, and if you all will take heed, nothing ill came of it, as it was handled properly.



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    So KY is a "primary offense" seatbelt state? You were pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt?

    That sucks. How much did your legislature get for selling out your freedom? The New Hampshire house is debating whether they should join the other 49 states and mandate seatbelts in exchange for a trickle of federal money.

    There was a good exchange this week where a freedom lover testified before the committee, and offered to pay $3 to keep his freedom, and then handed cash to the bill sponsor.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQasOLtyAmM

    (It's more like $2.85 per person, but Rep. Kelly could have kept the change.)

    I wear a seatbelt 100% of the time, and have since 1980, long before seatbelts were mandatory. Anyone who rides with me will also wear a seatbelt, or find a different mode of transportation.

    That's my choice, and shouldn't be the government's.


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    yeah, unfortunately, kentucky can pull you over just for a seatbelt and give you a ticket... fortunately it's only $25 and no court cost so it's no big deal. just a headache. personally, i think it violates my rights. me wearing a seatbelt is not going to save anyone's life except mine. shouldn't that be my choice?

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    kyboyy wrote:
    yeah, unfortunately, kentucky can pull you over just for a seatbelt and give you a ticket... fortunately it's only $25 and no court cost so it's no big deal. just a headache. personally, i think it violates my rights. me wearing a seatbelt is not going to save anyone's life except mine. shouldn't that be my choice?

    It does not violate your rights, as you do not have a right to drive in KY. In KY, driving isa privilige granted by the state.

    Did you know you don't own your operator's license in the Commonwealth? That is what gives me the right to take it from you.


    Additionally, it does save other people's lives, we will go into it if you want.

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    i know, that's why i plan to move from the commonwealth.... but no you don't need to elaborate i don't really care to argue on here. that was just my two cents and i don't really care to argue my point...

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    Sounds like you got the officer that knew glove box carry in Kentucky is not considered concealed. Unlike the officer that pulled me over in Florence a couple of years back and demanded to see my CDWL because my handgun was CONCEALED in the glove box. Called his supervisor, the mayor and a few others within the chain of command. Problem solved. Again, good job and carry on

    The only reason we have a seatbelt law is that the federal government threatened to withdraw our highway funds if we did not. The Commonwealth should have said keep the money and see what would have happened
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    yeah it's been cool so far as far as leo are concerned...

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    kyboyy wrote:
    yeah, i'm sure it is... someone also told me that even though we don't register guns in kentucky that if we buy one from a dealer, the paper work we fill out does register it to you and they said that shows up when your name is ran... is that true?
    This has long been an issue with me. I believe this "paperwork" you speak of is national registration just waiting to happen.

    It's my understanding, that the dealers are required by federal law to keep record of all gun sales, but this does not mean the gun is registered, yet. The dealers must keep them on hand in case the ATF decides it wants to audit gun dealers, or to harass them, depending on the presidential administration in place. I have no doubt that Eric Holder and his anti-gun team of tyrants will make every effort in the future to make life difficult for gun dealers, as well as owners.

    I believe the paper work we all fill out may be confiscated at some point in the future, after congress passes some post H.R. 45 supporting legislation, in order to support the liberals goal of national gun registration.

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    yeah, i'm sure it is... someone also told me that even though we don't register guns in kentucky that if we buy one from a dealer, the paper work we fill out does register it to you and they said that shows up when your name is ran... is that true?
    This has long been an issue with me. I believe this "paperwork" you speak of is national registration just waiting to happen.

    It's my understanding, that the dealers are required by federal law to keep record of all gun sales, but this does not mean the gun is registered, yet. The dealers must keep them on hand in case the ATF decides it wants to audit gun dealers, or to harass them, depending on the presidential administration in place. I have no doubt that Eric Holder and his anti-gun team of tyrants will make every effort in the future to make life difficult for gun dealers, as well as owners.

    I believe the paper work we all fill out may be confiscated at some point in the future, after congress passes some post H.R. 45 supporting legislation, in order to support the liberals goal of national gun registration.
    I think this administration has way to much on it's plate to mess with any kind of national registration.. Nancy Pelosi said as much 3 weeks ago. She remembers 1994 and the 1996 repercussion much to well. They may stick a toe in the water to check the temperature, but will pull out quickly when they feel the heat.
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    It does not violate your rights, as you do not have a right to drive in KY. In KY, driving isa privilige granted by the state.

    Did you know you don't own your operator's license in the Commonwealth? That is what gives me the right to take it from you.


    Additionally, it does save other people's lives, we will go into it if you want.
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    Kentucky some time ago violated the right of the people to freely travel by instituting a licensing scheme and then, in order to justify said scheme, claimed driving was a privilege granted by the state. (Nevermind that the state can't grant a privilege that didn't already exist as a right insofar as the state derives its power from the people.) The real question is, "Who is dumb enough to accept or believe literally the current legal construct?"
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    kyboyy wrote:
    So i was turning from Dixie Hwy in Florence tonight onto Turfway road when i saw blue lights behind me. So i pulled over and turned on the interior lights. i was kinda paranoid, this was the first time i'd been pulled over since purchasing my 9mm...
    I held my hands on the steering wheel until the officer approached and asked for my license, registration, and insurance. i told him that i had a loaded 9mm in the glovebox where the insurance and registration were located. He said ok, so i reached in and handed it to him. he asked if i had a permit to carry concealed and i told him no, id rather open carry. He said ok and walked to his car. Came back handed me my ticket for no seatbelt lol and said have a nice day. I've heard horror stories from friends getting pulled over who have permits and was kinda expecting a lot more. really glad it went over so well....
    If you had to turn on your interior lights, it was dark in the car.

    If it was dark in the car, how could he tell you were not wearing a seatbelt?

    If you were wearing a seatbelt, you would have taken it off to remove your wallet from your pants prior to the officer arriving at your door.

    I read your conduct, and congrats on not getting shot. What a sad country we have become when people have to tiptoe, freeze and only act when ordered when they find themselves in the presence of their government.


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    superdemon wrote:
    It does not violate your rights, as you do not have a right to drive in KY.
    And just how did you arrive at this logical conclusion?

    Be sure to show your work.

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    kyboyy wrote:
    i know, that's why i plan to move from the commonwealth.
    Where are you going? I've been all over, and everywhere is worse than KY.

    The fact we're all going to have to admit is that the police have destroyed freedom in America.

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    It does not violate your rights, as you do not have a right to drive in KY. In KY, driving isa privilige granted by the state.

    Did you know you don't own your operator's license in the Commonwealth? That is what gives me the right to take it from you.


    Additionally, it does save other people's lives, we will go into it if you want.
    Suggested edit:

    Kentucky some time ago violated the right of the people to freely travel by instituting a licensing scheme and then, in order to justify said scheme, claimed driving was a privilege granted by the state. (Nevermind that the state can't grant a privilege that didn't already exist as a right insofar as the state derives its power from the people.) The real question is, "Who is dumb enough to accept or believe literally the current legal construct?"
    Well, seeing as how I choose not to interpret KY law, or attempt to put some sort of political spin on established legal principle, your suggested edit will not be used at this time.

    You can still (and always have been) freely travel in the Commonwealth. If you want to do it on state owned roads, however, you will do so in the manner prescribed by the Commonwealth. You are welcome to walk, saunter, sashay, amble, or otherwise travel freely.

    And your cirvular logic about the state not being able to grant a privilige that didn't already exist as a right insofar as the state derives it's power from the people...

    I'm pretty sure that at the time KY became a Commonwealth, vehicles and automobile travel were not even thought of as a possibility. KY law, in reflecting the will of the people who legislate those laws, decided that driving was inded, aprivilige, and it would be administered as such.

    If you don't believe the "current legal construct", I suppose you believe the legal construct of the original founders of the Constitution, who granted to the people the right to own slaves, keep women from voting, etc. Yes, lets not let the "current legal construct" reflect the actual modern world.



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    smoking357 wrote:
    superdemon wrote:
    It does not violate your rights, as you do not have a right to drive in KY.
    And just how did you arrive at this logical conclusion?

    Be sure to show your work.
    style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f8f8f8"http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/KRS/186-00/410.PDF




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    superdemon wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    superdemon wrote:
    It does not violate your rights, as you do not have a right to drive in KY. In KY, driving isa privilige granted by the state.

    Did you know you don't own your operator's license in the Commonwealth? That is what gives me the right to take it from you.


    Additionally, it does save other people's lives, we will go into it if you want.
    Suggested edit:

    Kentucky some time ago violated the right of the people to freely travel by instituting a licensing scheme and then, in order to justify said scheme, claimed driving was a privilege granted by the state. (Nevermind that the state can't grant a privilege that didn't already exist as a right insofar as the state derives its power from the people.) The real question is, "Who is dumb enough to accept or believe literally the current legal construct?"
    Well, seeing as how I choose not to interpret KY law, or attempt to put some sort of political spin on established legal principle, your suggested edit will not be used at this time.

    You can still (and always have been) freely travel in the Commonwealth. If you want to do it on state owned roads, however, you will do so in the manner prescribed by the Commonwealth. You are welcome to walk, saunter, sashay, amble, or otherwise travel freely.

    And your cirvular logic about the state not being able to grant a privilige that didn't already exist as a right insofar as the state derives it's power from the people...

    I'm pretty sure that at the time KY became a Commonwealth, vehicles and automobile travel were not even thought of as a possibility. KY law, in reflecting the will of the people who legislate those laws, decided that driving was inded, aprivilige, and it would be administered as such.

    If you don't believe the "current legal construct", I suppose you believe the legal construct of the original founders of the Constitution, who granted to the people the right to own slaves, keep women from voting, etc. Yes, lets not let the "current legal construct" reflect the actual modern world.

    Good rhetorical points; but a little dated and a little statist.

    Why not come over to the side of the angels?

    Here is a not-bad place to start:

    http://www.lysanderspooner.org/notreason.htm
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    superdemon wrote:
    smoking357 wrote:
    superdemon wrote:
    It does not violate your rights, as you do not have a right to drive in KY.
    And just how did you arrive at this logical conclusion?

    Be sure to show your work.
    style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f8f8f8"http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/KRS/186-00/410.PDF


    You'll have to do better than that. Rights precede laws, you know.

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    it was dark. it was like midnight... he was in a parking lot on the side of the road. i passed him doing the speedlimit 35mph. didn't really care to argue, it's only $25 and it is the law lol. whether i like it or not i cannot change it. just glad he was a cool cop. most of the ones i encounter are d***s. There are some really cool ones around here, really great ones. some just take advantage of their power and don't know as much about the laws they swore to protect.

    no really sure where i plan to move. just anywhere but here. Wanting to go to Florida or Louisiana.

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