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    http://www.police-scanner.info/scann...anner-laws.htm

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    Does anyone have a police scanner for private use ?

    Anyone know how to hook-up to the internet ?



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    Never mind. I don't know if the question was changed or I managed to read it wrong, I could have sworn you were asking a different question.

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    FogRider wrote:
    What in the world is the purpose of this post? You post a link completely unrelated to OC, then ask a question that is answered in the link you posted, then you ask another question unrelated to the first, not to mention unrelated to OC. Oh, and don't forget the pic that is mostly related to one of the questions, but adds nothing.
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    FogRider wrote:
    What in the world is the purpose of this post? You post a link completely unrelated to OC, then ask a question that is answered in the link you posted, then you ask another question unrelated to the first, not to mention unrelated to OC. Oh, and don't forget the pic that is mostly related to one of the questions, but adds nothing.
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    1.] Please read the front page : OpenCarry.org>HotTopics>

    issues that are hot at the moment > cover police harassment of open

    carry [ page 2 ] .

    2.] This post is # 1 on that page now .

    3.] The purpose of this post is to moniter & record possible harassment

    of anyone that choices to legally OC .

    4.] It is easy to tear down however can you add something helpful ?

    5.] Do you like hall moniters ?

    6.] The pic adds interest and shows more info is available .

    7.] Have you tried using the internet to listen to police broadcast in your

    area ?

    8.] I wonder what the police call numbers are for a person OCing ?

    9.] Is it legal to record such broadcasts ?



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    I found my area's police scanner prodcast on the internet

    by Googling :

    internet police scanner list .

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    scanners are generally legal. Many departments are now on frequencies you can't hear and using encryption you can't break. The interweb has nothing do do with police radio. Cops are more likely to say bad things on their cells than on the radio. Police radio is boring to listen to 99.9% of the time. If you can hear it you can probably record it.

    Questions answered. Now knock off the stupid formatting. It does nothing but make your junk harder to read.

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    Yes, I have two, an older base scanner and a newer hand held scanner.

    In Indiana you can own and use a scanner or radio capable of receiving police frequencies in your home no problem, but if you take it with you or in your vehicle you better have permission from the police, or an amateur radio (ham) license, or a few other exceptions.

    http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/cod.../ar44/ch3.html

    Around here they call a gun a 10-32, but mostly they say 10-32 G (for gun) or 10-32 K (for knife), not sure what they would call one OC, Perhaps "10-32G carried openly"?

    http://ttfd.whitleynet.org/Frequenci...a_10_codes.htm

    I don't know if it is legal to record or broadcast on the internet but i know people do it. More info here: http://www.radioreference.com/

    Yes, I have listened to scanners on the net, No feeds for my local area on line but lots of Indiana feeds on Scan America:
    http://in.scanamerica.us/index.php

    I have listened to Ham radio's on line too: http://online.remotehams.com/
    my favorite is :http://ab2tc.getmyip.com:82/rcf-beta/

    3.898 Mhz lsb is on right now.

    I wondered If I should take my hand held scanner with me while oc'ing today but didn't want to give anyone any ammunition to use against me should I get stopped or questioned.







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    ralphb72 wrote:
    Yes, I have two, an older base scanner and a newer hand held scanner.

    In Indiana you can own and use a scanner or radio capable of receiving police frequencies in your home no problem, but if you take it with you or in your vehicle you better have permission from the police, or an amateur radio (ham) license, or a few other exceptions.

    http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/cod.../ar44/ch3.html

    Around here they call a gun a 10-32, but mostly they say 10-32 G (for gun) or 10-32 K (for knife), not sure what they would call one OC, Perhaps "10-32G carried openly"?

    http://ttfd.whitleynet.org/Frequenci...a_10_codes.htm

    I don't know if it is legal to record or broadcast on the internet but i know people do it. More info here: http://www.radioreference.com/

    Yes, I have listened to scanners on the net, No feeds for my local area on line but lots of Indiana feeds on Scan America:
    http://in.scanamerica.us/index.php

    I have listened to Ham radio's on line too: http://online.remotehams.com/
    my favorite is :http://ab2tc.getmyip.com:82/rcf-beta/

    3.898 Mhz lsb is on right now.

    I wondered If I should take my hand held scanner with me while oc'ing today but didn't want to give anyone any ammunition to use against me should I get stopped or questioned.






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    grumpycoconut wrote:
    scanners are generally legal. Many departments are now on frequencies you can't hear and using encryption you can't break. The interweb has nothing do do with police radio. Cops are more likely to say bad things on their cells than on the radio. Police radio is boring to listen to 99.9% of the time. If you can hear it you can probably record it.

    Questions answered. Now knock off the stupid formatting. It does nothing but make your junk harder to read.
    Don't be so sure, just because it's digital doesn't mean encrypted. There are no frequencies you can't listen to, very few systems run fulltime crypto.

    Give me a county or city in a state and I'll give you the rundown on what system they use, and what you need to monitor it..

    I had to explain to DC officers when they got their digital system, people can still listen, just costs more.

    I set up those systems, you'd be surprised how easy things are.
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    True enough, neither of my scanners can do digital, just couldn't bring myself to spend that much on a scanner. Most of my local agencies are still pretty conventional coms.

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    When I held an FCC 1st class license, back in the 70s, it was legal to listen to anything you were capable of receiving. The illegal part was in revealing the content. I don't know what the rule is today since I got out of the broadcast industry in 1977 and never renewed my license
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    ralphb72 wrote:
    Yes, I have two, an older base scanner and a newer hand held scanner.

    In Indiana you can own and use a scanner or radio capable of receiving police frequencies in your home no problem, but if you take it with you or in your vehicle you better have permission from the police, or an amateur radio (ham) license, or a few other exceptions.

    http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/cod.../ar44/ch3.html
    I never really understood why people want laws like the one you posted.

    My callsign is K9ROO, I'm a General licensed operator.

    If someone wanted to listen to the police frequencies, it is simple to buy a radio. You can even mod a unit to transmit on the frequencies, build a directional amp and antenna, and jam up the use of the repeater(s).

    I do wonder if they've actually used the law for prosecution... As you can buy multi-frequency cellphone jamming devices... Buy a few amps and antennas and you can bring wireless communication down to it's knees.

    D: I'm a type of Technological Specialist, does this make me a domestic terrorist.

    I'm probably already listed on Main Core just for being a HAM and have bought firearms in the past. *cue the black helicopters*
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    insane.kangaroo wrote:
    you can buy multi-frequency cellphone jamming devices...
    ...if you are willing to risk $1000 fine and 1 year in federal prison when you use it.

    Correction from 47 USC 501: "shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or byimprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or both."

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    Anubis wrote:
    insane.kangaroo wrote:
    you can buy multi-frequency cellphone jamming devices...
    ...if you are willing to risk $1000 fine and 1 year in federal prison when you use it.
    So true. Funny thing is you can buy a tri-band jammer cheap from for about 350USD.

    Are there even any legal uses for a jammer? Not sure if there are any air rights on personal property.

    EDIT: actually, thinking how "involved" the FCC is in actually enforcing the rules, there is nobody who would actually be prosecuted. The FCC seems only interested in lawsuits or fines against businesses which can bring in money instead of attacking HAMs or twats trying to ruin the use of radio technology. 14.275MHz is a good example of morons on the airwaves. :/ Go canadians for enforcing their rules as well...
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    "I never really understood why people want laws like the one you posted."

    That's a good one, I can't say that I "want" that law, though it did get me interested in getting my ham license.

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    Do you DX any?
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    Anubis wrote:
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    ┬*you can buy multi-frequency cellphone jamming devices...
    ...if you are willing to risk $1000 fine and 1 year in federal prison when you use it.
    Try 10K and 5 years...

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    insane.kangaroo wrote:
    Do you DX any?
    Me? No license yet, I do have an appt to take the test but not for about another month.

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    grumpycoconut wrote:
    scanners are generally legal. Many departments are now on frequencies you can't hear and using encryption you can't break. The interweb has nothing do do with police radio. Cops are more likely to say bad things on their cells than on the radio. Police radio is boring to listen to 99.9% of the time. If you can hear it you can probably record it.

    Questions answered. Now knock off the stupid formatting. It does nothing but make your junk harder to read.
    Don't be so sure, just because it's digital doesn't mean encrypted. There are no frequencies you can't listen to, very few systems run fulltime crypto.

    Give me a county or city in a state and I'll give you the rundown on what system they use, and what you need to monitor it..

    I had to explain to DC officers when they got their digital system, people can still listen, just costs more.

    I set up those systems, you'd be surprised how easy things are.
    You are correct. Digital is not automatically encrypted, but there are some radio systems that are impossible to monitor without having access to the system's architecture (IE a radio programmed for use on that net.) I can't think of one off the top of my head but there is at least one unmonitorable system out there. Also, in NC use of a police scanner is perfectly legal anywhere unless you are committing a crime while using one, such as burglarizing a home while listening to a scanner to avoid the police.

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    Oops. Double tap.

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    R a Z o R wrote:
    http://www.police-scanner.info/scann...anner-laws.htm

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    Does anyone have a police scanner for private use ?

    Anyone know how to hook-up to the internet ?

    In Michigan citizens can get police scanners and use them in their home or in their cars, but they must get a permit from the state police. Get a form from the Mich. state police, fill it out and take it to local st.police post and get it signed. Then send it to Lansing State Police Qrts. and they should issue a permit.

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    The large cities tend to use expensive digital trunking and some encryption.

    Small towns and agencies tend to stay analog and an old cheep scanner works fine.

    If your in a big city and the cops are going DVP / encrypted then listen to medical and fire they will tip you off to most violence.

    I use my scanners to 1) To 1st respond because I was a paramedic and live in a very rural area to help if I am close to an accident or fire etc... 2) To look for criminals, drunk drivers etc... that LE is actively seeking to intercept , apprehend and or call LE on them.

    SUGGESTION: Get a Ham radio license and into 2meter / 440 mgz FM ham aka amateur radio, its MUCH better than cell phone in rural and mountain areas as far as reception and emergency communication ability and in the big city it is better for instant emergency communications with white collar classy individuals who will soon become friends all through as large city who tend to be stable mature and Conservative who are dedicated to public service.

    During 911 in NY and earthquakes in CA , Ham radio was still on and working great when cell and land line phone were either jammed or completely broke down.

    Go to the American Radio Relay League ( google it ) the lead organizational body for Ham radio users.






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    SteveInAshand wrote:
    SUGGESTION: Get a Ham radio license and into 2meter / 440 mgz FM ham aka amateur radio, its MUCH better than cell phone in rural and mountain areas as far as reception and emergency communication ability and in the big city it is better for instant emergency communications with white collar classy individuals who will soon become friends all through as large city who tend to be stable mature and Conservative who are dedicated to public service.
    Funny, when did HAM become a public service, we are not public servants. MARS is dying, there isn't a need for HAMs to relay messages from Korea to the US due to cheap cellphones ad 4 cent a minute phone cards.

    Okay, so you're recommending the person be a Whacker? Ridiculous.

    You do sound like you must be an novice in the amateur operator field, I recommend you read this small post.

    http://www.hamhelpdesk.com/whackers/...a-whacker.html

    2 meters really isn't worth the trouble. Anyone wanting to involve themselves in amateur radio should get a nice shortwave rig.

    At the least, a vehicle rig with a nice HF antenna like this one.



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    Learning is one thing, pretending to be important is another. I agree more young people should involve themselves in radio as a hobby. In no way is amateur radio supposed to be a replacement for an emergency net.

    There is also a radio frequency set up for people to use with a hand held transceiver with no need of a license. You guessed right, 11-meters(corrected) using "CB Radios."

    What's that? CB transceivers don't allow people to talk to others from a far distance? WRONG. Sporatic E propagation allows CB users to talk with others hundreds, if not thousands of miles away. Also, there is the possibility of using the F2 layer of the atmosphere allows further propagation of waves during certain times of the day.

    Here is a vid many HAMs have seen on the net. In a way enlightening and sarcastic.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBGIdf0VjQ4

    I do know some people who actually are HAMs which will stop on the side of the road if there is an accident on the road and nobody is available to handle the issue. Thankfully there are a few out there who actually give a damn to take their time clearing a traffic jam on their own, which they know proper hand signalling as well.

    I find whackers offensive and embarassing to those which do help in certain situations.

    73 DE K9ROO

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    Gilly wrote:
    You are correct.┬* Digital is not automatically encrypted, but there are some radio systems that are impossible to monitor without having access to the system's architecture (IE a radio programmed for use on that net.)┬* I can't think of one off the top of my head but there is at least one unmonitorable system out there.┬* Also, in NC use of a police scanner is perfectly legal anywhere unless you are committing a crime while using one, such as burglarizing a home while listening to a scanner to avoid the police.
    Yes and no.

    As far as encryption goes, yes.

    As far as accessing a radio system you're not authorized on, very easy (with proper knowledge/equipment).

    Local county went to a smartzone system with IMBE vocoder, I had a radio set up their radio plan before the officers were even issued radios, at that point only radio techs and higher ups were using the system.

    If an area uses encryption, you could (for the sake of argument) steal a radio, keep it off so it doesn't get killed, change the radio ID/LID, throw the programming back in, and *poof*, they can send the kill signal all they want, but your radio has a new ID so it won't listen.

    Very few areas are using OTAR, actually, I know of only 3.
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    ┬*SUGGESTION: Get a Ham radio license and into 2meter / 440 mgz FM ham┬* aka┬* amateur radio, its MUCH better than cell phone in rural and mountain areas as far as reception and emergency communication ability and in the big city it is better for instant emergency communications with white collar classy individuals┬* who will soon become friends┬* all through as large city who┬* tend to be stable┬* mature and Conservative who are dedicated to public service.
    Funny, when did HAM become a public service, we are not public servants.

    Okay, so you're recommending the person be a Whacker? Ridiculous.
    Says the man wearing a gun, an ATF hat, and his dual band Yaesu... (or whatever you have)
    Learning is one thing, pretending to be important is another. I agree more young people should involve themselves in radio as a hobby. In no way is amateur radio supposed to be a replacement for an emergency net.
    What?! How the hell did you get your license? Go read up a bit, refresh a little. Amateur radio was designed and intended for experimentation and assistance in emergencies. Only SATphones were up after Katrina, except hams. Ditto for 9/11. Amateurs provide a crucial role in emergency communications, even more mundance communications such as those at a red cross shelter needing more blankets.

    There is also a radio frequency set up for people to use with a hand held transceiver with no need of a license. You guessed right, 10-meters using "CB Radios."
    SeriouslY?

    You guessed WRONG. 10M is assigned to AMATEUR RADIO, citizens band is the so-called '11 meters'.

    There is no specific radio frequency for '10-meters' or CB, there's a whole bunch. 40 designated for use by CB in the 27 Mhz range, and 28-29.7 Mhz for 10m.


    I do know some people who actually are HAMs which will stop on the side of the road if there is an accident on the road and nobody is available to handle the issue. Thankfully there are a few out there who actually give a damn to take their time clearing a traffic jam on their own, which they know proper hand signalling as well.
    What? So life saving information broadcast when no other signal can get out is 'wrong' but directing traffic around an accident is 'good'? WTF?! What good does proper hand signalling do you if noone else knows WTF it means.


    I find whackers offensive and embarassing to those which do help in certain situations.

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